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Post by Brother Fease on Jan 31, 2019 11:21:32 GMT
Hopefully he'll win bafta and follow my darling tilda's route! bored to see Mahershala wins oscar again, winning oscar many times for oscar bait movies seems unfair. In 2007, Cate Blanchett won the Globe. Amy Ryan won the Critics Choice. Rudy Dee won for the SAG. Swinton won the BAFTA. Each of the major ceremony had a different winner. This year, we have Ali winning the Globe, Critics Choice, and SAG. So there's no comparison between 2019 and 2008. Seems more like wishful-thinking and Green Book-Hate to me. I suppose you COULD argue that Ali is Eddie Murphy and Grant is Arkin, but that's still a major stretch. Grant still needs to get on the board. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 31, 2019 11:44:21 GMT
There is also you know the fact that Ali is great and Grant while 2nd in the category is not comparably as good as Ali.
Now the Oscar routinely gets it wrong I know but no one could look at those 2 performances and go Grant.
Ali is joining Denzel as the only 2 time AA winning male (albeit not lead though this arguably IS a lead), and the guy he reminds me of is Hanks '93-'94 who did not deserve his win for Philadelphia - arguably didn't deserve a nod even in '93 - but the next year was far better with a weak field.
Everyone compares Ali to Waltz but the logic behind Ali is more Hanks - there is no one else they can give it to here and not seem like a botch.
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Post by JangoB on Jan 31, 2019 11:56:28 GMT
I mean, it's not out of the realm of possibility but "Michael Clayton" was a much stronger contender overall and the Supporting Actress race that year was a tad more open than the Supporting Actor this time. And I kinda sorta have to agree with pacinoyes (even though I wouldn't phrase it like 'no one could look at those 2 performances and go Grant').
Grant is very good in the movie, yes, but Ali's performance is really powerful and strong. I'm rooting for Grant because I like him as a person and he's been a darling this awards season but as far as his performance goes, I feel as if I've seen him do that before, it's right in his wheelhouse, while Ali, in my view, created a new character for himself, a character filled with contradictions and self-alienation - aspects which Ali portraeyd wonderfully. I kinda wish he didn't win for "Moonlight" because that'd just make this win stronger in people's eyes and there'd be no complaining about him winning his 2nd one so soon.
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Post by wilcinema on Jan 31, 2019 13:45:41 GMT
He would deserve it not just for the performance but also because he's been THE BEST thing about this horrible awards season.
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Post by stephen on Jan 31, 2019 16:18:15 GMT
As others have said, it wouldn't be a Swinton-esque path. Only one person has lost the Oscar after winning the trifecta of SAG/Globe/BAFTA, and that was Russell Crowe. Eddie Murphy won the Globe and SAG but didn't even get nominated for BAFTA. I may be wrong, but I don't think anyone has lost the BAFTA and Oscar after winning both SAG and the Globe while still being nominated for the others. If this were to happen, it would be unprecedented.
With that said, I don't think Grant is out of it entirely. BAFTA didn't reward Ali in 2016 and it's very possible they would want to make it up to him (they do that a fair bit), but Grant would appeal to them as well, and I'd say if he were to win there, he might benefit from a late surge of support, especially if there are those who don't necessarily want to give Ali Oscar #2 so soon. But Ali winning a second SAG award only two years after he won it the first time is pretty telling; Grant would absolutely need to secure BAFTA and then sweep everyone off their feet with his charm and verve both in his speech and on the campaign circuit to even have a chance at a spoiler.
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Post by finniussnrub on Jan 31, 2019 17:34:14 GMT
There is also you know the fact that Ali is great and Grant while 2nd in the category is not comparably as good as Ali. Now the Oscar routinely gets it wrong I know but no one could look at those 2 performances and go Grant. Amazing how your opinion has become a certified fact.
Except many have chosen Grant over Ali, Grant took the most critic group wins, as they should. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 31, 2019 17:51:08 GMT
There is also you know the fact that Ali is great and Grant while 2nd in the category is not comparably as good as Ali. Now the Oscar routinely gets it wrong I know but no one could look at those 2 performances and go Grant. Amazing how your opinion has become a certified fact.
Except many have chosen Grant over Ali, Grant took the most critic group wins, as they should. Meh, do I need to put "imo" in everything then? I respect you too much to do that and isn't that a little silly imo (?) My whole act is based on making outlandish statements and being sort of charming like your crazy uncle with the steal plate in his head who swears he can hear conspiracy theories on rainy days. Along those same lines, critics groups may have chosen Grant but those critics groups are beholden to competition from other groups and a certain fall in line mentality, and they can tell category fraud (Ali) when they see it, and they are going to influence this race precisely as much as they are going to help Ethan Hawke win on a write in ballot.  |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 31, 2019 19:22:23 GMT
Any that is nominated can win.
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Post by quetee on Jan 31, 2019 21:15:08 GMT
Wasn't she in BP nominee? That makes a difference.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jan 31, 2019 21:52:45 GMT
Sure he could! He can sleep in a glass box inside a museum as well as any actress!
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