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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 14:09:58 GMT
Glenn Close, Willem Dafoe, and Timothée Chalamet were all in the conversation this year, but only Chalamet dropped off despite hitting all of the industry precursors, his aggressive campaign, and the residual goodwill from last year. Beautiful Boy had no other possible nominations to help boost him, but neither did The Wife or At Eternity's Gate...
Do you feel that the "living legend" label is necessary for this kind of achievement? Along with Close and Dafoe, think Rampling, Huppert, Cotillard, Plummer... Demián Bichir seems to be the notable exception, with perhaps no name recognition at all.
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Post by stabcaesar on Jan 23, 2019 14:17:39 GMT
Ruth Negga, Jennifer Lawrence (Joy), Rosamund Pike, Naomi Watts (The Impossible), Michelle Williams (Blue Valentine) were all lone nominations as well. None of them could be called legends.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 23, 2019 14:18:23 GMT
Well there's some others in history - James Whitmore who was a known actor but "living legend" he's not (to me anyway).
Chalamet was hurt by the film overall and the film's theme and also the hype - it was preordained like a way to nod him twice for Call Me By Your Name. He's too young for that - heck I love Sam Rockwell but he got that "go with glow" nod this year and he didn't deserve it either.
In some ways that type of film like Chalamet had follows a lot of tropes and cliches but we don't think of it for those movies until we see it and then we go "A ha! THAT's a cliche!". That's why for Gosling that was a huge nomination (almost equally flawed as a film too but not quite), because it subverted a cliche or at least HE did and think of the better performances not nominated for playing it etc.
Tough to pull off.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 14:21:17 GMT
Ruth Negga, Jennifer Lawrence (Joy), Rosamund Pike, Naomi Watts (The Impossible), Michelle Williams (Blue Valentine) were all lone nominations as well. None of them could be called legends. Oh wow... How did I forget all of these?  |
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Post by rhodoraonline on Jan 23, 2019 16:10:07 GMT
Ruth Negga, Jennifer Lawrence (Joy), Rosamund Pike, Naomi Watts (The Impossible), Michelle Williams (Blue Valentine) were all lone nominations as well. None of them could be called legends. Oh wow... How did I forget all of these? I don't think these are in the same league. The Academy's approach on the Actress side (esp. the young ones) always seems different than the Actors. |
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Post by marvelass on Jan 23, 2019 17:15:37 GMT
Ruth Negga, Jennifer Lawrence (Joy), Rosamund Pike, Naomi Watts (The Impossible), Michelle Williams (Blue Valentine) were all lone nominations as well. None of them could be called legends. It's different for actresses, as rhodoraonline pointed out. Unfortunately, Chalamet's youth worked against him. |
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Post by wonky on Jan 23, 2019 17:21:22 GMT
Jeremy Renner in The Town, Ryan Gosling in Half Nelson
Michael Shannon (Nocturnal Animals), Bryan Cranston (Trumbo), or Viggo Mortensen (Eastern Promises, Captain Fantastic) aren’t considered legends but at least they have some cache and generally acknowledged as underappreciated which probably helped.
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Post by avnermoriarti on Jan 24, 2019 22:12:31 GMT
I think is not that rare, especially in the 50s/60s, I remember when I wanted to see all the oscar nominated performances there were a lot in that type of situation.
But adding recent exaples: Jacki Weaver ( non-legend at least in America ) in Animal Kingdom and Helen Hunt in The Sessions, Adams in Junebug, Linney in Kinsey
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Post by cherry68 on Jan 24, 2019 22:36:28 GMT
Edward Norton in Primal Fear.
It was his debut role, so he wasn't surely a legend.
He got many prizes / nominations, no other mentions for anyone else in that movie (but an Ascap award as top box office win and Artios award nomination for best casting, not exactly major awards).
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