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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 20, 2019 18:29:07 GMT
@tyler said something interesting in the Suspiria thread so I decided what the heck, let's make a new thread............ "I have no real affinity for the original (or for giallo films in general), so that may make a difference in my perception of the remake. I simply found Guadagnino's take on the story to be more elegant and engrossing."
This reminded me of music producer Robert "Mutt" Lange who singlehandedly created 2 pop music super powers Def Leppard and later his wife (at the time) Shania Twain - by in effect mixing genres with a pop sheen in his production style (ie you wouldnit call either of them a pure genre recording artist but a hybrid).
In music, that tends to work in popularity but how do you feel about it in movies, what works, what doesn't? Suspiria '18 isn't so much a horror movie to my eyes but closer to something say Kubrick may have made - sort of a historical drama with horror elements (although Kubrick made a horror movie that to me followed the template of the genre). I would say the original Suspiria '77 is a mash up too, often mistaken a pure horror or giallo - to me it's neither really, it's closer to a horror crossed with a fairy tale.
So what would you say are mixes that work and once that do not - or specific examples you liked - does comedy belong in horror at all or is that get your chocolate out of my peanut butter level stuff? What are two genres that are never mixed that should be? What about something like The Ninth Configuration which is all over the place and yet, quite logical and precise in what it's getting across.
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Post by stephen on Jan 20, 2019 19:00:35 GMT
Horror and noir go together like Forrest and Jenny.
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Post by stabcaesar on Jan 20, 2019 19:07:05 GMT
Horror and noir go together like Forrest and Jenny. Is that good or bad?
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Post by stephen on Jan 20, 2019 19:12:54 GMT
Horror and noir go together like Forrest and Jenny. Is that good or bad? Exactly. In all honesty, they go together magnificently, but I find that the perfect mix is sometimes tough to pull off.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jan 20, 2019 19:42:50 GMT
Foxcatcher is great in how it works as both psychodrama/true crime and as a sports film
Chungking Express cleverly combines romantic comedy with noir
Not great film, but an enjoyable one - Confessions of a Dangerous Mind combines spy thriller with comedy
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 20, 2019 19:48:15 GMT
Horror and noir go together like Forrest and Jenny. Indeed and they are a great contradiction which is why it's so hard to pull off (and if there's one thing pacinoyes loves it's ...........well bacon and referring to himself in the 3rd person, but very close to that it's contradiction). Horror is a visceral genre - what do you show - noir has a visceral component but it is much more a writers domain. When these come together it works best in the oddest ways - the scariest parts of this cocktail involve no words at all - it's the look of Dunaway dead and Gittes face at the end of Chinatown - that's clearly horror - or something like this: The conversation (dialog) is banal but suddenly, instantly it's not - the reveal is on the viewer through the direction which is simple - the script had to be sharp enough to set it up long before - and the closing song "Lungs" by the great Townes Van Zandt - a song that mirrors the scene and becomes horrific itself - "Salvation sat and crossed herself /Called the devil partner" .........yikes. Lots of things have to work in unison just to make a horrific moment work.
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Post by stephen on Jan 20, 2019 20:02:49 GMT
Horror and noir go together like Forrest and Jenny. Indeed and they are a great contradiction which is why it's so hard to pull off (and if there's one thing pacinoyes loves it's ...........well bacon and referring to himself in the 3rd person, but very close to that it's contradiction). Horror is a visceral genre - what do you show - noir has a visceral component but it is much more a writers domain. When these come together it works best in the oddest ways - the scariest parts of this cocktail involve no words at all - it's the look of Dunaway dead and Gittes face at the end of Chinatown - that's clearly horror - or something like this: The conversation (dialog) is banal but suddenly, instantly it's not - the reveal is on the viewer through the direction which is simple - the script had to be sharp enough to set it up long before - and the closing song "Lungs" by the great Townes Van Zandt - a song that mirrors the scene and becomes horrific itself - "Salvation sat and crossed herself /Called the devil partner" .........yikes. Lots of things have to work in unison just to make a horrific moment work. Goddamn, I love that scene. Sends a chill down my spine every time.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 22, 2019 0:51:36 GMT
Another that came across my mind and that I usually dislike is "crime movie mixed with anything" - especially a coming of age story - I've disliked this in Road To Perdition (hate it), Billy Bathgate, A Bronx Tale (like the first half). I've never really gotten this - it's supposed to be the sins of the father or the kid learns about life that his father tried to keep him away from but it always turns mawkish and cloying. Though in OUATIA the kids story is the best part imo..........and I like the kids in gangster-comedy-musical Bugsy Malone a lot but not as much gangster musicals like Chicago or gangster comedies like The Crew ........which I would like more if it had kids in it singing apparently.
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