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Post by Brother Fease on Jan 15, 2019 0:47:52 GMT
Tomorrow the USC Scripters will reveal their nominees.
The Scripters winner and Oscar Best Adapted Screenplay winner has match every year since 2010.
Whose getting nominated?
I am going to say
BLACKKKLANSMAN
BLACK PANTHER
CAN YOU EVER FORGIVE ME?
IF BEALE STREET COULD TALK
A STAR IS BORN
Alternative Five:
CRAZY RICH ASIANS
THE DEATH OF STALIN
FIRST MAN
LEAVE NO TRACE
WIDOWS
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Post by bruinjoe96 on Jan 15, 2019 1:21:39 GMT
Last year there were 7 nominees. WTF?
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Post by wilcinema on Jan 15, 2019 15:35:24 GMT
We have the nominations
BLACK PANTHER
CAN YOU EVER FORGIVE ME?
THE DEATH OF STALIN
IF BEALE STREET COULD TALK
LEAVE NO TRACE
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Post by JangoB on Jan 15, 2019 15:37:15 GMT
Wow, Klansman missing here is certainly interesting. I still think it's safe at the Oscars but can you imagine them screwing Spike after all the hoopla around the film and how easy it'll be for it to win Adapted?
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Post by DeepArcher on Jan 15, 2019 15:39:18 GMT
No BlacKkKlansman is shocking. Love the nominations for The Death of Stalin and Leave No Trace though, I’m hoping this boosts their Oscar chances.
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Post by Viced on Jan 15, 2019 15:41:14 GMT
Black Panther.... lmao.
And Leave No Trace's writing is the weak link of the movie. It hardly even had a screenplay.
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Post by wilcinema on Jan 15, 2019 15:41:17 GMT
I'm ecstatic about Leave No Trace too and shocked by the BlacKkKlansman snub. Was A Star Is Born eligible here? It isn't a book adaptation after all.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jan 15, 2019 16:04:20 GMT
I really like Black Panther a lot, but come on. Still, they didn't nominate A Star Is Born, so I guess I can forgive them.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jan 15, 2019 16:04:54 GMT
So happy for Stalin...
Not so much for T'Challa.
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Post by stephen on Jan 15, 2019 16:30:05 GMT
Spike takes a hit here. It's recoverable, but he needs to win WGA and BAFTA to right this ship.
Of course, it should be Holofcener and Whitty's to lose . . .
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Post by JangoB on Jan 15, 2019 16:38:59 GMT
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Post by wilcinema on Jan 15, 2019 16:46:14 GMT
A Star Is Born's eligibility is the real question here. Was it ineligible because it's based on previous movies? Or should it be eligible because it's based on previous scripts ("printed material")?
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Post by Viced on Jan 15, 2019 17:09:32 GMT
I'm stunned that it's longer than 30 pages.  |
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Post by quetee on Jan 15, 2019 18:01:57 GMT
Wow, Klansman missing here is certainly interesting. I still think it's safe at the Oscars but can you imagine them screwing Spike after all the hoopla around the film and how easy it'll be for it to win Adapted? yeah, this Stat is getting reset cause that would be horrible. I think the winner here will be can you ever forgive me? But at the Oscars the director/writer will win and at this rate Spike will be the only one nominated unless Ryan scores nod. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 15, 2019 18:15:56 GMT
It's really crazy how the screenplay written by 4 people (4 - credited) that couldn't come up with a sufficient written closing scene so that it then had to include a heavy handed BS real life CNN clip at the end (never done before in film history because no one had the f'n gall to do that amateur move) wasn't nodded here. I mean it isn't crazy at all that people want to give it and think the Academy will want to give that screenplay which completely falls apart after hour 1 and which was the main flaw in it an Oscar. No, if it wins it would be considered progressive and forward thinking and justified because why again?  |
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Post by quetee on Jan 15, 2019 18:30:26 GMT
It's really crazy how the screenplay written by 4 people (4 - credited) that couldn't come up with a sufficient written closing scene so that it then had to include a heavy handed BS real life CNN clip at the end (never done before in film history because no one had the f'n gall to do that amateur move) wasn't nodded here. I mean it isn't crazy at all that people want to give it and think the Academy will want to give that screenplay which completely falls apart after hour 1 and which was the main flaw in it an Oscar. No, if it wins it would be considered progressive and forward thinking and justified because why again? spike didn't include that footage cause he couldn't come up with an ending. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 15, 2019 18:44:15 GMT
I think he did though he just is dishonest about it to justify his Art (which makes it worse) - if he could come up with a true ending, he would have (for the credit scene) and if he couldn't then play nothing over the credits.
Rather he had a point to make - good for him, it's a provocative point but then make a documentary - and he couldn't make his point without using footage that someone else shot and that he then dropped into his film whole. There's plenty wrong with that screenplay otherwise though, but I loathe that specific scene, his use of it, his explanation for using it, it's just anti-Art to me.
It's one of the greatest cons in Oscar history imo, the biggest and most cynical kind of sleight-of-hand. I consider it a form of plagiarism in a way - he should share his screenplay win (and I think he will win the big prize) with CNN imo.
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Post by Zeb31 on Jan 15, 2019 19:05:34 GMT
I don't get how this is still being debated.
That IS an ending. In fact, one may dislike the execution, but at least in concept, that's probably the single most impactful closure that BlacKkKlansman could've possibly had, because it bursts the audience's bubble by cutting away from the satisfying, light-hearted, good-guys-win finale that had been constructed up until that point and radically forcing the viewer to confront the reality that this is not a period piece. Everything that the film portrayed through a mostly farcical, comedic prism is true, and it's all still happening right now in front of everybody's eyes. Closing the film with true present-day footage makes perfect sense given how many nods to the current political climate Lee sprinkles throughout the film ("America would NEVER elect someone like David Duke!"), and by using that footage he gets his message across much more effectively and urgently than any "this is what happened next" text cards (which serve the exact same function in hundreds of other films) ever would've allowed for.
I'm not head over heels for BlacKkKlansman and I do think the script gets messy as it goes along, but that ending is one of its highlights. I saw it in a packed theater, and everyone was laughing throughout. But you could hear a pin drop as the credits began to roll.
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Post by Viced on Jan 15, 2019 19:07:13 GMT
I think Spike Lee pissed on pacinoyes' leg or something in the '80s... his hatred for him is going a little overboard.
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Post by quetee on Jan 15, 2019 19:15:07 GMT
I think Spike Lee pissed on pacinoyes' leg or something in the '80s... his hatred for him is going a little overboard. pretty much. Spike changed the ending cause he felt it was relevant. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 15, 2019 19:38:38 GMT
I don't get how this is still being debated. That IS an ending. In fact, one may dislike the execution, but at least in concept, that's probably the single most impactful closure that BlacKkKlansman could've possibly had, because it bursts the audience's bubble by cutting away from the satisfying, light-hearted, good-guys-win finale that had been constructed up until that point and radically forcing the viewer to confront the reality that this is not a period piece. Everything that the film portrayed through a mostly farcical, comedic prism is true, and it's all still happening right now in front of everybody's eyes. Closing the film with true present-day footage makes perfect sense given how many nods to the current political climate Lee sprinkles throughout the film ("America would NEVER elect someone like David Duke!"), and by using that footage he gets his message across much more effectively and urgently than any "this is what happened next" text cards (which serve the exact same function in hundreds of other films) ever would've allowed for. I'm not head over heels for BlacKkKlansman and I do think the script gets messy as it goes along, but that ending is one of its highlights. I saw it in a packed theater, and everyone was laughing throughout. But you could hear a pin drop as the credits began to roll.It depends how you see film and what is allowable in film. To me, this is way outside the bounds of what is allowable. I'm not saying the ending isn't impactful I'm saying "who cares?" - it's impact isn't earned and it's wrong artistically and to me close to plagiarism . It's never been done - ever as a climax especially - because it's a trick, and people going to see Blackklansman are predisposed to like it because it's CNN and easy to get - it's not a narrative film device. Fnck the audience in your theater that could hear a pin drop - that is not the point at all. You can always manipulate an audience, it's not always right - it's heavy handed stuff and it's not even HIS heavy handed stuff - and everybody here knows it too. Kinda disappointed in my fellow movie lovers - you know better than that  Either write the f'n scene to illustrate the point or leave it out but you can't use CNN to make your point for you - but Lee is not the artist to make the point, none of the writers are sharp enough to write it either. It's cheap and vulgar stuff. |
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jan 15, 2019 23:46:25 GMT
I don't get how this is still being debated. That IS an ending. In fact, one may dislike the execution, but at least in concept, that's probably the single most impactful closure that BlacKkKlansman could've possibly had, because it bursts the audience's bubble by cutting away from the satisfying, light-hearted, good-guys-win finale that had been constructed up until that point and radically forcing the viewer to confront the reality that this is not a period piece. Everything that the film portrayed through a mostly farcical, comedic prism is true, and it's all still happening right now in front of everybody's eyes. Closing the film with true present-day footage makes perfect sense given how many nods to the current political climate Lee sprinkles throughout the film ("America would NEVER elect someone like David Duke!"), and by using that footage he gets his message across much more effectively and urgently than any "this is what happened next" text cards (which serve the exact same function in hundreds of other films) ever would've allowed for. I'm not head over heels for BlacKkKlansman and I do think the script gets messy as it goes along, but that ending is one of its highlights. I saw it in a packed theater, and everyone was laughing throughout. But you could hear a pin drop as the credits began to roll.It depends how you see film and what is allowable in film. To me, this is way outside the bounds of what is allowable. I'm not saying the ending isn't impactful I'm saying "who cares?" - it's impact isn't earned and it's wrong artistically and to me close to plagiarism . It's never been done - ever as a climax especially - because it's a trick, and people going to see Blackklansman are predisposed to like it because it's CNN and easy to get - it's not a narrative film device. Fnck the audience in your theater that could hear a pin drop - that is not the point at all. You can always manipulate an audience, it's not always right - it's heavy handed stuff and it's not even HIS heavy handed stuff - and everybody here knows it too. Kinda disappointed in my fellow movie lovers - you know better than that Either write the f'n scene to illustrate the point or leave it out but you can't use CNN to make your point for you - but Lee is not the artist to make the point, none of the writers are sharp enough to write it either. It's cheap and vulgar stuff. Are you unaware of how you come off or do you just not care? |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 15, 2019 23:56:01 GMT
Are you unaware of how you come off or do you just not care?
I dunno really but is it sexy? I'm going for sexy.........but no, don't care because well, I ain't wrong there's no way to defend it in the context of film criticism - it's a shitty ending, anti-artistic and it borders on plagiarism. It doesn't work from a filmmaking POV and he couldn't write the ending either.
I try never to be rude, to anyone, ever, on here.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jan 16, 2019 0:23:18 GMT
Are you unaware of how you come off or do you just not care?I dunno really but is it sexy? I'm going for sexy.........but no, don't care because well, I ain't wrong there's no way to defend it in the context of film criticism - it's a shitty ending, anti-artistic and it borders on plagiarism. It doesn't work from a filmmaking POV and he couldn't write the ending either. I try never to be rude, to anyone, ever, on here. I’m not talking about the ending of Blackkklansman. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 16, 2019 0:36:32 GMT
Damn right you're not talking about the ending of Blackkklansman because you know it's BS my man  Well, look I dunno what you're on about regarding the "gee you're so fascinating pacinoyes" and how dreamy I am or whatever. But since this is a movie board and you know a movie thread specifically you should probably stick to that subject. Just sayin', it's raising my post count unnecessarily. |
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