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Post by Leo_The_Last on Dec 26, 2018 17:03:28 GMT
It might just be a little bit too early to create a thread about this. But still. Some might be interested. I already mentioned it here and there around these boards. There were bits and pieces of information coming out over the last few weeks, so I thought why not? DOR was obviously going to do that big mafia limited series (two seasons) for Amazon, with a huge budget (and tons of money already spent on scripts and pre-production), and with De Niro, Julianne Moore, Matthias Schoenaerts starring...  Then of course followed the scandal, Roy Price/Amazon, Weinstein and his bathrobe... the project was canceled. In recent months, DOR popped up everywhere De Niro was in attendance and they've become friendly over the years. So it was obvious they were still trying to work on something. Additionally, DOR pretty much has his troupe of actors nowadays (for better or worse). Here's De Niro mentioning that new DOR project (towards the end), and what's interesting it seems it's also going to be for Netflix, but a "big" movie, not a series anymore, at least that's my understanding. And Christian Bale is also talking about reteaming with DOR, during his press tour for Mowgli (also towards the end). Could it be the same thing they're talking about? Possible. And some time ago (about a year or so), Jennifer Lawrence talked about a new project with DOR. She mentioned that she was going to play De Niro's mother or something. No idea what that was really about. Was she going to play De Niro's real mother, the painter Virginia Admiral? Or, more likely, his screen mother in some flashback thing. Was it tied to the Amazon series? So that's what I know for the time being. Hope it is of interest for you guys and girls. Merry christmas. |
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Post by Pavan on Dec 26, 2018 17:11:49 GMT
Would love too see Bale and De Niro together but why is Bale running circles around Adam Mckay, Scott Cooper and David O. Russel?
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Dec 26, 2018 17:28:22 GMT
Would love too see Bale and De Niro together but why is Bale running circles around Adam Mckay, Scott Cooper and David O. Russel? That's a good question. He's a big star, he certainly has tons of options. And I'm personally not that much into DOR (especially American Hustle, a good movie, but boy was that overrated when it premiered). Must have been quite frustrating for Michael Mann to see Bale bail out of his Ferrari project citing health reasons (gaining weight and so), just to see him getting inside the sizeable body of Dick Cheney. |
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Post by Pavan on Dec 26, 2018 17:36:11 GMT
Would love too see Bale and De Niro together but why is Bale running circles around Adam Mckay, Scott Cooper and David O. Russel? That's a good question. He's a big star, he certainly has tons of options. And I'm personally not that much into DOR (especially American Hustle, a good movie, but boy was that overrated when it premiered). Must have been quite frustrating for Michael Mann to see Bale bail out of his Ferrari project citing health reasons (gaining weight and so), just to see him getting inside the sizeable body of Dick Cheney. In that 2nd video you posted, he mentioned that he likes to work with directors whom he had good rapport. I guess that explains why he repeats his directors. Also his next film is with James Mangold, with whom he worked before. |
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Post by Zeb31 on Dec 26, 2018 18:20:05 GMT
Jennifer Lawrence talked about a new project with DOR. She mentioned that she was going to play De Niro's mother or something. No idea what that was really about. Was she going to play De Niro's real mother, the painter Virginia Admiral? Or, more likely, his screen mother in some flashback thing. No, she means present-day. Wigs and everything, American Hustle-style. "She's so good she can totally pass for 90, that's how brilliant Jen is", O. Russell will say. |
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Dec 26, 2018 18:22:15 GMT
Jennifer Lawrence talked about a new project with DOR. She mentioned that she was going to play De Niro's mother or something. No idea what that was really about. Was she going to play De Niro's real mother, the painter Virginia Admiral? Or, more likely, his screen mother in some flashback thing. No, she means present-day. Wigs and everything, American Hustle-style. "She's so good she can totally pass for 90, that's how brilliant Jen is", O. Russell will say. I seriously need to know if this is a joke or not... |
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Dec 26, 2018 18:41:42 GMT
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Post by Viced on Dec 26, 2018 18:47:47 GMT
Let me know when there's some actual solid information on it.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Dec 26, 2018 18:48:48 GMT
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Post by rhodoraonline on Dec 26, 2018 21:18:32 GMT
That's a good question. He's a big star, he certainly has tons of options. And I'm personally not that much into DOR (especially American Hustle, a good movie, but boy was that overrated when it premiered). Must have been quite frustrating for Michael Mann to see Bale bail out of his Ferrari project citing health reasons (gaining weight and so), just to see him getting inside the sizeable body of Dick Cheney. In that 2nd video you posted, he mentioned that he likes to work with directors whom he had good rapport. I guess that explains why he repeats his directors. Also his next film is with James Mangold, with whom he worked before. How I see it is he hates paycheck movies or very generic scripts. Unless there's some stand out factor for him to completely dive into along with people he's found it easy to work with, he usually passes. As for the Mann project, he was completely into it and was doing research and everything. But then he broke his knee awkwardly falling off a trampoline. He did TBS drum scene despite, but putting weight on an injured knee was extremely painful and the doctors advised him against it. It's not just those 3 directors mentioned. Todd Haynes has been planning a project with him for sometime but it hasn't happened yet. Mangold has him down for Travis McGee if they can work it out after the one they just wrapped. Plan with Mann couldn't pan out as above. I'm sure he'd say yes to Nolan and Spielberg (or to any other director in the world for that matter) in a jiffy if they took to him roles he found deep interest or challenge in  |
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Post by bob-coppola on Dec 27, 2018 4:53:15 GMT
I wonder if DOR will/would rework his Amazon series as movie. He's fallen out of grace for many people, but I would love to see Bobby and Julianne Moore sharing the screen.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 27, 2018 11:33:13 GMT
In that 2nd video you posted, he mentioned that he likes to work with directors whom he had good rapport. I guess that explains why he repeats his directors. Also his next film is with James Mangold, with whom he worked before. How I see it is he hates paycheck movies or very generic scripts. Unless there's some stand out factor for him to completely dive into along with people he's found it easy to work with, he usually passes. As for the Mann project, he was completely into it and was doing research and everything. But then he broke his knee awkwardly falling off a trampoline. He did TBS drum scene despite, but putting weight on an injured knee was extremely painful and the doctors advised him against it. It's not just those 3 directors mentioned. Todd Haynes has been planning a project with him for sometime but it hasn't happened yet. Mangold has him down for Travis McGee if they can work it out after the one they just wrapped. Plan with Mann couldn't pan out as above. I'm sure he'd say yes to Nolan and Spielberg (or to any other director in the world for that matter) in a jiffy if they took to him roles he found deep interest or challenge in Agree with most of this. People don't appreciate enough how much Leonardo DiCaprio basically won the filmmaking lottery by being chosen to become Scorsese's muse after DeNiro. Realistically speaking, Scorsese probably wanted Daniel Day-Lewis to be his new guy, but DDL only works when he feels like it, wheras someone like Leo is so awed that he gets to be in the presence of Scorsese that he'll always show up. There are hardly any Scorsese level directors working in Hollywood today that consistently need intense, young-ish white leading men who can show off their range in film after film after film. Leo got the real deal, and guarded it jealously. Everyone else is searching for their own "guy". Which is why Bale is probably doing this merrygoround of directors, trying to find his Scoresese. Nolan is brilliant, but performance is not his main concern, and that's what someone like Bale craves....a performance driven director. So he tries out the likes of David O Russell, who has made some good movies and has cribbed some of Scorsese's aesthetic. Worked in the short term (got him an Oscar for The Fighter and a nomination for American Hustle), even though people seen to have seen through Russell and hardly any of his movies hold up beyond the season they were released. So Bale has to make due with what he's got. Even Michael Fassebender must have thought he struck gold with a Steve McQueen partnership, but McQueen has wider interests, and won't just keep making movies with major roles for handsome white guys (ie Widows). The guy who has seemed to luck into that career defining director hook-up today is Michael B Jordan with Ryan Coogler. Coogler is a special talent and seems to want Jordan in everything he does. Obviously Bale would do incredible work with some one like Coogler, but he's a director with a fairly specific interest in black or African-American stories, so it's unlikely he'd choose Bale as a regular/go-to actor. |
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Dec 27, 2018 11:39:48 GMT
I wonder if DOR will/would rework his Amazon series as movie. He's fallen out of grace for many people, but I would love to see Bobby and Julianne Moore sharing the screen. Bobby D and Julianne Moore have already worked together on a movie called Being Flynn. It was released a few years ago. |
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Post by rhodoraonline on Dec 27, 2018 16:49:20 GMT
Agree with pupdurcs. Leo got the field basically monopolized for projects that are high end from multiple angles. No one has the same field hs has. I remember reading a Phoenix interview from a few years ago where he said he gers scripts that trickle down from the big ones, name-checking both Bale and Leo. Today, however, I see a trickle up effect too. Phoenix is constantly approached by smaller filmmakers translating into an excellent indie slate even if it doesn't get him huge paychecks or regular oscar recognition. I can hardly see the up and comers approaching someone as big as Bale assuming him to be way more expensive than he probably will turn out to be if approached by them. So he's naturally circling established directors of his circle who approach him with challenging portrayals or with whom he absolutely wants to work with. |
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Post by Pavan on Dec 27, 2018 17:48:01 GMT
In that 2nd video you posted, he mentioned that he likes to work with directors whom he had good rapport. I guess that explains why he repeats his directors. Also his next film is with James Mangold, with whom he worked before. How I see it is he hates paycheck movies or very generic scripts. Unless there's some stand out factor for him to completely dive into along with people he's found it easy to work with, he usually passes. As for the Mann project, he was completely into it and was doing research and everything. But then he broke his knee awkwardly falling off a trampoline. He did TBS drum scene despite, but putting weight on an injured knee was extremely painful and the doctors advised him against it. It's not just those 3 directors mentioned. Todd Haynes has been planning a project with him for sometime but it hasn't happened yet. Mangold has him down for Travis McGee if they can work it out after the one they just wrapped. Plan with Mann couldn't pan out as above. I'm sure he'd say yes to Nolan and Spielberg (or to any other director in the world for that matter) in a jiffy if they took to him roles he found deep interest or challenge in I don't think this will happen but i'd love to see Bale in a Spielberg film again. As for Nolan I'm sure he will cast Bale in one of his next 2 or 3 films. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 18:15:52 GMT
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Post by bob-coppola on Dec 28, 2018 0:16:24 GMT
I wonder if DOR will/would rework his Amazon series as movie. He's fallen out of grace for many people, but I would love to see Bobby and Julianne Moore sharing the screen. Bobby D and Julianne Moore have already worked together on a movie called Being Flynn. It was released a few years ago. I didn't know about that! Thanks |
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Dec 28, 2018 2:27:28 GMT
You all make some good points. DiCaprio is obviously in an envious position, probably singular in the current state of the movie industry. He's certainly at the top of the food chain. Because of talent or star power, that's up for debate. I personally think he really grew as an actor in recent years. I'm not too sad Bale playing quintessential Italian Enzo Ferrari didn't happen. Only Pacino or De Niro had that 'thing', star quality and talent AND could actually convincingly play such an icon Italian figure. So Mann is in a difficult position in terms of casting (even Jackman doesn't seem like the right pick). pupdurcs I don't agree there. DDL is very choosy, but even for him, when Scorsese calls, he listens. In the late 80's, he said he never wanted to do another one of those 'Merchant-Ivory'-type of things, but he still did The Age of Innocence. Which is a different world of course, but still aims in the same direction. And then it was Scorsese who was able to get him out of his 'shoemaker' existence for GONY, after De Niro walked away. And DDL is way older than DiCaprio. So I don't think you can compare the two. And DiCaprio had (still has) the power to MAKE pictures happen, and that's the key, always has been, in the movie business. Otherwise you're right of course. The whole circumstances around DDL, his way of working, the long gaps between his projects, him not being your typical movie star etc. certainly made it more difficult to get things going. I would have loved to see more than just these two DDL/Scorsese pictures. And maybe we will. Also the Coogler/Jordan thing, you're right. That's a good place to be for Jordan. And nowadays there's much more room for black or African-American stories, even within the studio system. Which is a good thing. I just don't see Coogler as that special a talent yet. He has a lot of potential. But none of his movies have been better than good-to-very good, at least for me, with the best being Creed. @bob-coppola Yeah, that's the big question. As I said, they were heavily into pre-production and had already spent millions on it. Maybe DOR wants to keep it on the back-burner and revive it later as a series. Bale would be new to this thing. If they rewrote it as a movie, that would make sense, as they would probably need a big contemporary star at the center of it. But I'm sceptical. First, I don't want to see De Niro having the third biggest supporting part from left in a DOR film. And then there's the whole mafia angle they had for the Amazon series. De Niro just did a huge mafia story with Scorsese. So maybe he wants something different, at least at the moment. And De Niro is supposed to shoot 'Flower Moon' with Scorsese & DiCaprio next year, probably in the summer. Bale just wrapped on the Mangold film, he may need some rest now. So it could get problematic, scheduling wise. Early spring is what they should be targeting, if this whole thing is a reality. |
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Post by rhodoraonline on Dec 28, 2018 3:30:28 GMT
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if either Spielberg or Nolan were swept with inspiration and swooped in to scoop up Bale, away from DOR drama, for a new project freshly in awe of Bale's Vice perf ...
I know it sounds like daydreaming but still ...
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Dec 28, 2018 5:19:13 GMT
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if either Spielberg or Nolan were swept with inspiration and swooped in to scoop up Bale, away from DOR drama, for a new project freshly in awe of Bale's Vice perf ... I know it sounds like daydreaming but still ... I understand where you're coming from. I guess you're a fan of Bale. So it's clear you're frustrated about a potential reteaming with David O. Russell, if you're not too enamored with him (so am I). I just can't see how Russell gets out of his well established comfort zone. He needs a little bit of a disruption. Maybe the (relative) failure of Joy brings something new out of him, after all the adulation he received over the past decade. (Tarantino is an other one who's similar to that. Like, sometimes even love both, but they're stuck.) But I doubt it. And I think working with the same actors again and again doesn't help much. There are other cases in which it worked, the same troupe of actors delivering fresh, new and challenging work. But we will see. As for Bale, he's working a lot. I had high hopes for Hostiles, but at least according to the overall critical consensus it didn't quite reach the artistic heights I had hoped for. I like Bale, but honestly don't love him. That body shaping thing... it's honorable, but it doesn't equal great acting. (Haven't seen Vice yet tough.) What actually sounded very very promising regarding Bale's upcoming projects was an adaptation of J.G. Ballard's Concrete Island. (Ballard obviously was also the novelist behind Spielberg's Empire of the Sun, starring a young Christian.) He was set to reteam with his The Machinist director & writer, Brad Anderson and Scott Kosar. But that was years ago, and nothing really came out of it. Could even be something for Nolan, going back to his modern Hitchcock mode from earlier in his career. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 28, 2018 9:47:36 GMT
You all make some good points. DiCaprio is obviously in an envious position, probably singular in the current state of the movie industry. He's certainly at the top of the food chain. Because of talent or star power, that's up for debate. I personally think he really grew as an actor in recent years. I'm not too sad Bale playing quintessential Italian Enzo Ferrari didn't happen. Only Pacino or De Niro had that 'thing', star quality and talent AND could actually convincingly play such an icon Italian figure. So Mann is in a difficult position in terms of casting (even Jackman doesn't seem like the right pick). pupdurcs I don't agree there. DDL is very choosy, but even for him, when Scorsese calls, he listens. In the late 80's, he said he never wanted to do another one of those 'Merchant-Ivory'-type of things, but he still did The Age of Innocence. Which is a different world of course, but still aims in the same direction. And then it was Scorsese who was able to get him out of his 'shoemaker' existence for GONY, after De Niro walked away. And DDL is way older than DiCaprio. So I don't think you can compare the two. And DiCaprio had (still has) the power to MAKE pictures happen, and that's the key, always has been, in the movie business. Otherwise you're right of course. The whole circumstances around DDL, his way of working, the long gaps between his projects, him not being your typical movie star etc. certainly made it more difficult to get things going. I would have loved to see more than just these two DDL/Scorsese pictures. And maybe we will. Also the Coogler/Jordan thing, you're right. That's a good place to be for Jordan. And nowadays there's much more room for black or African-American stories, even within the studio system. Which is a good thing. I just don't see Coogler as that special a talent yet. He has a lot of potential. But none of his movies have been better than good-to-very good, at least for me, with the best being Creed. @bob-coppola Yeah, that's the big question. As I said, they were heavily into pre-production and had already spent millions on it. Maybe DOR wants to keep it on the back-burner and revive it later as a series. Bale would be new to this thing. If they rewrote it as a movie, that would make sense, as they would probably need a big contemporary star at the center of it. But I'm sceptical. First, I don't want to see De Niro having the third biggest supporting part from left in a DOR film. And then there's the whole mafia angle they had for the Amazon series. De Niro just did a huge mafia story with Scorsese. So maybe he wants something different, at least at the moment. And De Niro is supposed to shoot 'Flower Moon' with Scorsese & DiCaprio next year, probably in the summer. Bale just wrapped on the Mangold film, he may need some rest now. So it could get problematic, scheduling wise. Early spring is what they should be targeting, if this whole thing is a reality. Yeah, after seeing DDL mangle the Italian accent in Nine, I wouldn't even trust him to play an Italian icon like Ferrari. It's weird how trying to come off authentically ItalIan stumps so many otherwise versatile actors (Even Nic Cage seemed phony in Captain Correlli's Mandolin, and he's 2nd or 3rd generation Italian-American). I guess DeNiro and Pacino grew up with a very close connection to their Italian heritage, so they could bring authenticity to it. Brando was maybe one of the few non-non-Italians to convince as Vito Corleone. They'd probably let Oscar Isaac play Enzo (not Italian, but he's that guy they'll let play anything vaguely ethinic that's non-black). Though I'm not that excited by Isaac these days. Good actor, but if he's an experiment to update Pacino, I don't think it's worked. He lacks the charisma, energy and star quality that drove most of young Pacino's work. DDL can make (prestige) pictures happen in the sense that he's a talent magnet. You can't green light a 100 million dollar movie with DDL just attached, as he doesnt have that level of bankability. But with him attached, there will usually be bankable or prestigious director (Spielberg, Scorsese, PTA etc). Nine is a case in point. DDL is the lead, but he attracts enough talent around him to make the budget viable (Rob Marshall, Penelope Cruz, Nicole Kidman, Judi Dench, Marion Cotillard etc). So as long as Scorsese's interest stayed in the realm of prestige films, I imagine he could have gotten most of the movie's he got made with DiCaprio with DDL. Maybe at a reduced budget and some bigger co-stars in some cases. Regarding Coogler: If someone can make Fruitvale Station, Creed and Black Panther by the age of 31, I have to consider them a special talent. Your mileage may vary on just how great each individual movie is, but classed together as his first 3 movies, at his age,it's a stunning accomplishment.He reminds me of a young Spielberg, in the sense that I don't think there is a genre beyond his scope to handle. So Jordan defintely won his own lottery with this guy. |
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Post by rhodoraonline on Dec 28, 2018 16:04:01 GMT
Last year, I half wished while Bale was still fat and the Mangold project hadn't yet been announced, that Jackman would bow out of Ferrari due to scheduling conflicts and Man would get Bale back already fattened up. Lol, that's crazy. But even now I do wonder what Mann is doing about Ferrari anyways. It doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
And yes, I do agree that Jackman would've been unconvincing and the film would have lacked punch, even though I love him as an actor. Isaac might fall short of Pacino level, but his talent is deep and he could pull it off imo, though he'd still be second to Bale. Mann's original choice for his Ferrari speaks to his confidence in Bale. Who know what happens next with his project. Hopefully, directors have the sense to convince Bale that fatsuit would achieve results coz Bale is such a powerful actor imo over and above his physical transformations.
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Dec 28, 2018 16:56:32 GMT
Coogler definitely achieved quite something, given his age. And he has good instincts, knows what's going to be popular. It's never wrong, career wise, to position oneself somewhere between independent filmmaker and studio craftsman. He's a smart guy. I'm just waiting for him to deliver something ...more. I mean, it's actually stupid to compare what others have achieved at a certain age, because every life follows its own rules and set of circumstances, but Scorsese was 31 when Mean Streets was released, and so was Aronofsky with Requiem for a Dream, Malick was 30 (Badlands), PTA 27 (Boogie Nights), then there's Welles and Nichols etc.
With Coogler, the potential is there, we just have to wait and see.
As for Oscar Isaac, he's a strange case. After the triumph with Inside Llewyn Davis, you would have expected him to become the next big thing (at least in the auteur filmmaking work). And he chooses some interesting projects, exactly my cup of tea, like Show Me a Hero or A Most Violent Year. He just never truly registers (or not completely the way one might have wished for). And those Pacino comparisons were inevitable, but that's a huge mountain to climbe (for such a little guy). He seems to stand out more in offbeat parts, like in Ex Machina. I like the guy and see his talent. Hope for the best.
And yeah, DDL in Nine... at least he tried. And failed, which isn't a bad thing in itself. I would love to see / Would have loved to see him be a little bit more adventurous. Ferrari could play more to his strenght though. Pacino/De Niro still would have been perfect casting, at least at a certain point in their careers. De Niro was working on it with Mann around '93 or so, and Pacino was also involved, about a decade ago, when Sydney Pollack was still alive and part of the project. I think both could still do it. It just depends on what time period Mann wants his story to be set. And of course budget. A Mann movie isn't going to be cheap and the two aged lions aren't huge box office stars, certainly not anymore.
Michael Mann has a similar problem, I think, with Big Tuna, which is my most anticipated potential project of Mann. It's the story of Chicago Outfit mobsters Tony 'Big Tuna' Accardo and Sam Giancana. And with the two aforementioned New Hollywood icons approaching 80, I have no idea how he wants to cast that properly.
De Niro was set to play Accardo for Olivier Assayas before that project was halted a few days before shooting was set to begin.
It's funny, that 'cast-me-an-Italian'-thing. As you've mentioned, I think most people have no idea Brando wasn't italian AT ALL. And not being Italian was no obstacle to James Caan, who won “Italian of the Year”–twice!
On the other hand, Viggo Mortensen pulled it off in Green Book (haven't seen it yet), so...
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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 6, 2019 22:38:50 GMT
So is O. Russell about to save J-Law's career?
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Post by wilcinema on Jan 11, 2019 11:11:18 GMT
Bale is one of Malick's favourites as well.
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