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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 3:02:16 GMT
I get that she's probably trying to put her own stamp on the iconic role, and it's of course difficult to gauge accent work from trailers and clips, but does it not seem a bit... off? She seems to be using the plummy, Queen Elizabeth II-type English accent that's strictly a parody accent in the UK - not at all like Julie Andrews' clear, crisp RP accent.
A very odd choice for an actual English actress to make...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 2:00:44 GMT
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Post by countjohn on Dec 28, 2018 2:06:13 GMT
I also sort of noticed this. At times she seemed to be doing an Andrews impersonation and at other points........not. It drifted into caricature at points and felt stilted.
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Post by LaraQ on Dec 28, 2018 2:16:12 GMT
The ultra upper class accent she did in this this really bothered me,it was a parody of an upper class English accent,way over the top.I get what she was trying to do but she went too far with it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 2:18:13 GMT
Her accent really bothered me,it was almost a parody of an upper class English accent,way over the top.I get what she was trying to do but she went too far with it. This is what I've heard from all of my British friends in real life! Haha. It wouldn't matter if it were an American actress, but it's Emily Blunt, so... Do you think she may miss a BAFTA nomination because of it?
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Post by LaraQ on Dec 28, 2018 2:21:45 GMT
Her accent really bothered me,it was almost a parody of an upper class English accent,way over the top.I get what she was trying to do but she went too far with it. This is what I've heard from all of my British friends in real life! Haha. It wouldn't matter if it were an American actress, but it's Emily Blunt, so... Do you think she may miss a BAFTA nomination because of it? Given the lukewarm reception to this I'd be surprised if Bafta give her a nod.It's kind of a shock how poorly this has performed so far.I thought it was going to be huge.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 2:31:45 GMT
When Zoë Kravitz and Emma Stone do better English accents than you, and you're actually English...
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Dec 28, 2018 3:16:23 GMT
When Zoë Kravitz and Emma Stone do better English accents than you, and you're actually English... Haven’t seen Stone yet, but Kravitz was distractingly obvious to me. But furthermore on Blunt, it’s just how she talks? I have no idea where that perception of her voice being a parody comes from, but Poppins has always been a character of incredible whimsy and firmness, and I felt that reflected in Blunt’s inflections. But even with that aside, she still carries that film with tremendous charm and candidness. And accents alone don’t necessarily ruin a performance for me. Like Johnathan Pryce can’t keep a consistent American to save his life, but his turn in The Wife was strong otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 3:27:05 GMT
When Zoë Kravitz and Emma Stone do better English accents than you, and you're actually English... Haven’t seen Stone yet, but Kravitz was distractingly obvious to me. But furthermore on Blunt, it’s just how she talks? I have no idea where that perception of her voice being a parody comes from, but Poppins has always been a character of incredible whimsy and firmness, and I felt that reflected in Blunt’s inflections. But even with that aside, she still carries that film with tremendous charm and candidness. And accents alone don’t necessarily ruin a performance for me. Like Johnathan Pryce can’t keep a consistent American to save his life, but his turn in The Wife was strong otherwise. As has been stated above, the type of accent Blunt is using in the film is only used to parody the upper-class in the UK. Mary Poppins isn't that type of character, so it's simply an odd choice to make for an actress who is actually English and would know this. (Say an American actress made the same choice when playing Mary Poppins - I really doubt it would be commented on.) No one is saying that Blunt isn't good otherwise or that accent work solely defines a performance.
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Post by sirjeremy on Dec 28, 2018 9:12:34 GMT
I didn't like this. Initially I thought she was going for a Celia Johnson thing but then I read she was trying to imitate Princess Margaret . It didn't work, it just made her Mary feel 'other' in a bad way. Too firm and not warm enough. And yes, I do think she'll get a BAFTA nomination.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 28, 2018 23:27:18 GMT
Haven't seen it (and honestly, I probably won't) but we on movie boards care far, far, far (3 fars) more about accents than anyone seeing this would. She's not playing an American - she sounds like someone non-American, that's as far as it goes isn't it?
I understand why as movie fans we debate this but accents just never matter much do they?.....I know I'm in the minority on this board and love to talk about acting but I just can never get worked up about accents, I don't know......it seems a strictly academic discussion.
Not trying to be a smart-ass just can't see why we should ever care about accents - it seems a diversion to me always.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 28, 2018 23:56:41 GMT
Haven't seen it (and honestly, I probably won't) but we on movie boards care far, far, far (3 fars) more about accents than anyone seeing this would. She's not playing an American - she sounds like someone non-American, that's as far as it goes isn't it? I understand why as movie fans we debate this but accents just never matter much do they?.....I know I'm in the minority on this board and love to talk about acting but I just can never get worked up about accents, I don't know......it seems a strictly academic discussion. Not trying to be a smart-ass just can't see why we should ever care about accents - it seems a diversion to me always. It matters. A bad or distracting accent can take you out of the reality of the situation. It's an actors job to keep you in that reality, and a solid accent is part of that. Truth is you can get away with bad or incorrect accents a lot, if audiences (or even critics) don't know the difference. Hence Al Pacino getting away with a Cuban accent in Scarface that a lot of Cubans found unrealistic. Outside of Cuba, few people could make any distinction. Pacino couldn't get away with his accent in Revolution though, as enough people recognised what he should have sounded like. Having said all that, you have to then acknowledge that Sean Connery can play a Scotsman in everything (whether he us meant to be Spanish or Irish) and he gets away with it. But I guess you need to have that all-time level of movie star charisma and charming Basterds styling to be as brazen as Connery. Plus, he was from an era where it was more accepted.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 29, 2018 0:02:36 GMT
Well I'd say that's being too precise - and yet missing the fact that it doesn't matter much or not here at least as far as I can see.
Pacino's accent in Revolution sounds a lot like DDL's accent in GONY - now I won't argue that Pacino's accent was good (they aren't his forte) or that DDL's was bad but I am quite sure no one knows what a Scottish fur trapper in the US in the 1700's knew "what he should have sounded like".
What they knew rather was it was a bad film, and a voice that didn't match an actor they had known for over a decade - if the film was better, the accent is meaningless.
I do concur on Connery and get your point but never see it mattering much really.....it's fake news to use the language of the day.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Dec 29, 2018 0:06:16 GMT
Accents can sink your performance if its truly egregious: like Scarlett Johansson in Hail Caesar and Rachel Weisz playing a heart-of-gold tramp in My Blueberry Nights belting some neo American accent.
But if its just halfway decent, the other aspects of your performance should be able to carry you through. Don't much mind Emilys accent in the trailer personally.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 29, 2018 0:32:03 GMT
All British accents sound the same.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 3:21:11 GMT
All British accents sound the same. Obviously this is demonstrably false.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 3:29:42 GMT
Haven't seen it (and honestly, I probably won't) but we on movie boards care far, far, far (3 fars) more about accents than anyone seeing this would. She's not playing an American - she sounds like someone non-American, that's as far as it goes isn't it? I understand why as movie fans we debate this but accents just never matter much do they?.....I know I'm in the minority on this board and love to talk about acting but I just can never get worked up about accents, I don't know......it seems a strictly academic discussion. Not trying to be a smart-ass just can't see why we should ever care about accents - it seems a diversion to me always. Eh... I get that being so overly precise is a bit precious, but as I've said in this thread I guess multiple times now, Emily Blunt is an actual English person using this accent. She knows better. I don't think that calling her out for this is being overly precise. If Anne Hathaway were playing Mary Poppins (just to use a quick American example), it probably wouldn't matter. And the British press is currently going wild over Emma Stone's accent work in The Favourite. Every interviewer she encounters can't wait to tell her how perfect her it was. This is just one example (of probably dozens): People are really appreciative when you take the time to make something as best as it possibly can be.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 29, 2018 11:06:10 GMT
You had me convinced up until this "And the British press is currently going wild over Emma Stone's accent work in The Favourite. Every interviewer she encounters can't wait to tell her how perfect her [accent] it was. I just see that as pandering a lot - oh the interviewers like it, you did a great job - but also because it diminishes the actress - Blunt is being told in this thread there's a way to do the accent, and that's it, she's being told a robot could be programmed to do it, and if we did program a robot to give us what we would expect we'd praise her - she should have done this because we (the interviewers) who are outside the Art and who are interviewing her about the Art would be pleased. What's worse in a way is she should "know better" by her culture and upbringing. Like to me its actually rather worse that you say Anne Hathaway well it wouldn't matter but for Blunt it does? I just can't get worked up for that - once you go beyond a general "I found her accent odd" to me, it's all too much. As for the "British press", an army of fascists actually who will tell you no American can do Shakespeare - I cringe at their discussions on those accents I will leave it to David Mamet to sum up my feelings towards them - at the 55-65 second mark
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 14:15:37 GMT
pacinoyes - I'm really not sure where robots come into it, and I'm convinced that no British person ever, anywhere has said that Americans can't or shouldn't perform Shakespeare. As for my comment that it wouldn't matter for Hathaway, you saw one American user's comment above "that all British accents sound the same." I'm going to give that user the benefit of the doubt and assume he meant to say "English accents," because I can't imagine he thinks Scottish people sound the same as Northern Irish people, but even then, someone from Manchester hardly sounds like someone from Liverpool, and someone from Liverpool hardly sounds like someone from London... but I digress... Brits wouldn't expect an American actress to know the nuances that a British actress would. Let me just give you two examples of the inverse: Two British actresses played 60s American housewives in buzzy American films this year - Claire Foy in First Man and Carey Mulligan in Wildlife. I think these are both excellent performances, but in no way do I think that Foy sounded authentically American, whereas Mulligan nailed her accent work. Mulligan's performance is certainly enhanced by her perfect accent (as was Stone's in The Favourite), but I don't necessarily count Foy's accent against her, because she is British.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 29, 2018 14:45:50 GMT
All British accents sound the same. Obviously this is demonstrably false. It was a joke. I don’t care about accents at all unless they are cartoonishly distracting.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 29, 2018 15:03:29 GMT
Let me just give you two examples of the inverse: Two British actresses played 60s American housewives in buzzy American films this year - Claire Foy in First Man and Carey Mulligan in Wildlife. I think these are both excellent performances, but in no way do I think that Foy sounded authentically American, whereas Mulligan nailed her accent work. Mulligan's performance is certainly enhanced by her perfect accent (as was Stone's in The Favourite), but I don't necessarily count Foy's accent against her, because she is British. This is an illuminating example I see what you mean, and I guess for people who care about this there is a level of nuance. I guess, that for me since it ranks so far down on actor-performance attributes (it ranks last) I tend to dismiss it. I have always seen discussion/articles/essays on accents and almost never on so many other far more interesting things about say how actors handle subtext, backstory, voice inflection, speech pattern, use of body (in drama), how actors listen, the use of pauses and hesitation........and on and on there are so many things that could be discussed in the totality that too often get reduced to things like "That accent was wrong! We don't say "pudding" in Birmingham we say "puddin" - and people taking that as "meaningful" like "it matters" - I don't think when you really look at accent it matters very much at all (I do agree an awful accent can matter but I don't think I see many that I would label as awful ones). But I think at some point there was a thread on this in general a while back and I think that's what I was referring to more than this specific Blunt example.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 15:22:30 GMT
I have been handling this awards season like a puppet master.
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