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Post by HELENA MARIA on Nov 28, 2018 9:52:18 GMT
Nowadays, I really don't know (maybe Romola Garai?) but had PHANTOM THREAD been made in the 90's, I think Uma Thurman could have been a fantastic choice.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 14:01:37 GMT
I don't love the film as much as everyone else here seems to, but one thing I will concede is that it was perfectly cast across the board.
Krieps was born for Alma.
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Post by JangoB on Nov 28, 2018 14:16:21 GMT
No idea. I'm sure somebody could do a good job with it but I'm not sure anyone would be as wonderfully unique and uniquely wonderful as Krieps whose performance has become one of my all time favorites.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Nov 29, 2018 12:32:54 GMT
I think Isabelle Adjani would be a perfect Alma in the 70s or 80s No way, she's heavenly beautiful and talented but way too petite to play someone who's supposed to look like a model.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 29, 2018 12:54:19 GMT
I like Krieps very much but too much has been made of her - I don't think she's the equal of DDL here (and I'm not always a DDL fan) - nor does she have to be either really - but her lack of being known to us (me at least) and her foreign "quality" really helps because her character is surprising and we have nothing to bias us really.
Cotillard could have done it........I think Americans might struggle, maybe early on Chastain where she was less defined like she is in Wilde Salome/Salome where she is petulant, bratty, narcissistic, spiteful but also sexy and weirdly warmly appealing too. Lots of contradictions in play.......
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Post by chris3 on Nov 30, 2018 10:01:06 GMT
Whoever else could've played her, it would not have been as great as the performance we got. Krieps is my Actress win for the decade. I went into Phantom Thread extremely excited to see the DDL/PTA reunion, so it was an extreme surprise and delight to witness a heretofore unknown actress do the unthinkable: steal a film from the great Daniel Day. I know this board heaps praise upon her, but in the real world this is legitimately the most underrated performance of the 2010s. She was SO amazing in it. Alma on paper would already be a very fascinating character, but Vicky Krieps embodied her with such perfection that she immediately became one of my favorite characters I've seen in years. I can't praise her enough. It's the role of a lifetime. She's BRILLIANT in the film. Sexy but mousy, unknowable but relatable, weak but powerful, slight but titanic, and countless other contradictions, all achieved through effortless calculation (another contradiction). She's the reason acting awards were invented, and yet of course she wasn't nominated because she wasn't a huge star or zeitgeisty. She is simply the BEST.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 30, 2018 16:18:42 GMT
Whoever else could've played her, it would not have been as great as the performance we got. Krieps is my Actress win for the decade. I went into Phantom Thread extremely excited to see the DDL/PTA reunion, so it was an extreme surprise and delight to witness a heretofore unknown actress do the unthinkable: steal a film from the great Daniel Day. I know this board heaps praise upon her, but in the real world this is legitimately the most underrated performance of the 2010s. She was SO amazing in it. Alma on paper would already be a very fascinating character, but Vicky Krieps embodied her with such perfection that she immediately became one of my favorite characters I've seen in years. I can't praise her enough. It's the role of a lifetime. She's BRILLIANT in the film. Sexy but mousy, unknowable but relatable, weak but powerful, slight but titanic, and countless other contradictions, all achieved through effortless calculation (another contradiction). She's the reason acting awards were invented, and yet of course she wasn't nominated because she wasn't a huge star or zeitgeisty. She is simply the BEST. To be fair, Day-lewis has had films stolen from him by women before. Notably, The Age of Innocence and Nine. But pretty much agree with your general sentiment. This was Kriep's film. Day-Lewis was excellent, but Kreip's gave the movie's most galvanizing performance. Remains to be seen if she'll ever live up to it or even get the opportunity. Some performers just have that role/peformance of a lifetime and never come close again. Kathleen Byron in Black Narcissus comes to mind.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 16:58:18 GMT
Whoever else could've played her, it would not have been as great as the performance we got. Krieps is my Actress win for the decade. I went into Phantom Thread extremely excited to see the DDL/PTA reunion, so it was an extreme surprise and delight to witness a heretofore unknown actress do the unthinkable: steal a film from the great Daniel Day. I know this board heaps praise upon her, but in the real world this is legitimately the most underrated performance of the 2010s. She was SO amazing in it. Alma on paper would already be a very fascinating character, but Vicky Krieps embodied her with such perfection that she immediately became one of my favorite characters I've seen in years. I can't praise her enough. It's the role of a lifetime. She's BRILLIANT in the film. Sexy but mousy, unknowable but relatable, weak but powerful, slight but titanic, and countless other contradictions, all achieved through effortless calculation (another contradiction). She's the reason acting awards were invented, and yet of course she wasn't nominated because she wasn't a huge star or zeitgeisty. She is simply the BEST. To be fair, Day-lewis has had films stolen from him by women before. He was legitimately bad in The Crucible, while Joan Allen was giving one of the greatest performances of the decade opposite him.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Nov 30, 2018 19:25:45 GMT
Kristen Stewart.
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Post by stephen on Nov 30, 2018 19:28:19 GMT
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Nov 30, 2018 19:33:16 GMT
I'm still in awe of how little I think of PT.
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Post by DeepArcher on Nov 30, 2018 21:02:22 GMT
Whoever else could've played her, it would not have been as great as the performance we got. Krieps is my Actress win for the decade. I went into Phantom Thread extremely excited to see the DDL/PTA reunion, so it was an extreme surprise and delight to witness a heretofore unknown actress do the unthinkable: steal a film from the great Daniel Day. I know this board heaps praise upon her, but in the real world this is legitimately the most underrated performance of the 2010s. She was SO amazing in it. Alma on paper would already be a very fascinating character, but Vicky Krieps embodied her with such perfection that she immediately became one of my favorite characters I've seen in years. I can't praise her enough. It's the role of a lifetime. She's BRILLIANT in the film. Sexy but mousy, unknowable but relatable, weak but powerful, slight but titanic, and countless other contradictions, all achieved through effortless calculation (another contradiction). She's the reason acting awards were invented, and yet of course she wasn't nominated because she wasn't a huge star or zeitgeisty. She is simply the BEST. Great post. Agree with just about every word of this I honestly can't even fathom someone other than Krieps in her role. She's just too perfect.
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Post by Allenism on Dec 1, 2018 16:55:15 GMT
90s Sandrine Bonnaire.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 1, 2018 17:49:05 GMT
I mean like I said earlier, I love her too but she is 2nd or 3rd even of the cast. She supports DDL - it's his story, his arc, it's his film, and no one was stealing it from him.
It's (almost, not quite) like saying Maria Schneider stole Last Tango from Brando.
Nah.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 1, 2018 21:23:50 GMT
I mean like I said earlier, I love her too but she is 2nd or 3rd even of the cast. She supports DDL - it's his story, his arc, it's his film, and no one was stealing it from him. It's (almost, not quite) like saying Maria Schneider stole Last Tango from Brando. Nah. What arc? He starts the movie as an aloof aristocratic prick, and ends it as one. More or less. Alma starts as a mousy innocuous tea server, and ends the film as Lady Macbeth on steroids. It's her arc that's extreme and fascinates. You don't see her ruthlessness coming. I take the opposite tack. It's like saying Clark Gable (DDL) stole Gone With The Wind from Vivien Leigh (Krieps). Gable was very good, but it's Leigh's film. Feels like the story is told mostly through her perspective as well ( it's framed how she views Reynolds, his sister and his circle. Reynolds is kept at more of a distance, deliberately I suspect by PTA, like Maxim De Winter in Rebecca). She even gets that great closing monologue voice-over, not DDL. Doesn't feel like she's supporting anyone.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 1, 2018 22:52:02 GMT
Nowadays, I really don't know (maybe Romola Garai?) but had PHANTOM THREAD been made in the 90's, I think Uma Thurman could have been a fantastic choice. @tyler Romola Garai has had such an odd career. For a period in the 2000's, she seemed destined to be a prestige actress darling on par with Kate Winslet (or the younger, equally hard to pronounce Saiorse Ronan). But it just kind of fizzled out for her, and the British film industry moved onto to new great hopes like Florence Pugh. Maybe it was the decision to do Dirty Dancing: Havana Nights that really cooled her career.
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Post by wattsnew on Dec 2, 2018 2:18:22 GMT
That's an interesting choice. I think she would've been great in the role, but it never would've crossed my mind if you hadn't said it.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 2, 2018 3:15:42 GMT
I mean like I said earlier, I love her too but she is 2nd or 3rd even of the cast. She supports DDL - it's his story, his arc, it's his film, and no one was stealing it from him. It's (almost, not quite) like saying Maria Schneider stole Last Tango from Brando. Nah. What arc? He starts the movie as an aloof aristocratic prick, and ends it as one. More or less. Alma starts as a mousy innocuous tea server, and ends the film as Lady Macbeth on steroids. It's her arc that's extreme and fascinates. You don't see her ruthlessness coming. I take the opposite tack. It's like saying Clark Gable (DDL) stole Gone With The Wind from Vivien Leigh (Krieps). Gable was very good, but it's Leigh's film. Feels like the story is told mostly through her perspective as well ( it's framed how she views Reynolds, his sister and his circle. Reynolds is kept at more of a distance, deliberately I suspect by PTA, like Maxim De Winter in Rebecca). She even gets that great closing monologue voice-over, not DDL. Doesn't feel like she's supporting anyone. That's not the right way to see the piece. I may like your movie actually but that is not what this great film (#2 in my 2017 list) was at all. Rather he starts as an aloof and haunted prick and ends quite defined and rather self destructively mad and complicit in his own (likely) destruction. His arc shouldn't be confused with her mere character traits. She's hardly Lady Macbeth on steroids and that play is also his play btw. Her closing monologue comes dangerously close to ruining that film (a PTA issue almost always) - prior to that ending, it's masterpiece level stuff. That monologue rather muffs the landing and plays as a heavy handed literary device rather than cinematic. It should have ended with DDL taking a bite and smiling actually. He gives the 2nd best performance of his film career in this film and his second best career performance is a long way away from anything Vicky Krieps is capable of (and I love the performance but she supports him to me clearly) - we don't have to go to your Gable/Leigh comparison either - its the Brando/Schneider one that's closest here (for a film thematically also The Woman Next Door is close but that is a shared lead acting piece, this, is not in design).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 4:45:44 GMT
Maybe it was the decision to do Dirty Dancing: Havana Nights that really cooled her career. That film was released three years before Atonement...
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 2, 2018 11:56:56 GMT
Maybe it was the decision to do Dirty Dancing: Havana Nights that really cooled her career. That film was released three years before Atonement... Ah...fair enough. I recall Dirty Dancing being the one big movie she did where people were questioning if it would kill her career. But she obvioiusly survived to do plenty of other well recieved things afterwards, so it's still a bit of a mystery why she didn't get into that sort of Winslet/Ronan prestige territory. I guess there were others in her vintage as competition as well, like Carey Mulligan.
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