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Post by alexanderblanchett on Nov 9, 2018 21:05:44 GMT
Really a good film! I do not get the weak reputation it recently got because it was a great and epic Knight's Tale and got everything a film like this needs to fulfill my expectations: Epic Look, fantastic cinematography, very decent acting and a very solid direction. The only flaw you could point out is the rather weakish screenplay that deserved more work to justify a great heroic story like this. But there were many aspects that made up for that. Chris Pine was pretty good in the lead as Robert the Bruce and turns into one of his best performances. I liked Aaron Taylor-Johnson in an almost unrecognizable role and Billy Howle made a good villain. Florence Pugh ones again turns into a charismatic performance. Really one actress to look out for, she will go places. Stephen Dillane was fabulous and gave probably the best performance. But also his character deserved to be flashier. It's an interesting piece of history that influenced a lot of Great Brittain. David Mackenzie sure knows how to direct epic scenes and I hope this was not the last time he touched this theretory. The images were fantastic. While I think Netflix deserves a great film like that, it is a shame we could not enjoy those images on the silver screen.
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Best Score Best Cinematography* Best Costume Design Best Production Design* Best Make-Up
Rating: 8/10
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Post by jakesully on Nov 9, 2018 21:09:56 GMT
Brutal , bloody & badass ( just the way I like it! ) Really dug this one ! I thought it was an excellent film featuring terrific performances all around , great battles through out & breathtaking scenery . Big ups to the director David Mackenzie on bringing this epic to life (esp the build up to the amazing final battle scene...wow!) . Would highly recommend checking this one out if you have Netflix or if its playing near you .
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Post by LaraQ on Nov 9, 2018 21:38:38 GMT
The final battle was great,I can't deny that, even if I was worried about the horses the entire time.Overall though, I thought this was nicely shot,fairly well acted and pretty mediocre.
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Nov 10, 2018 12:57:23 GMT
Brutal , bloody & badass ( just the way I like it! ) Really dug this one ! I thought it was an excellent film featuring terrific performances all around , great battles through out & breathtaking scenery . Big ups to the director David Mackenzie on bringing this epic to life (esp the build up to the amazing final battle scene...wow!) . Would highly recommend checking this one out if you have Netflix or if its playing near you . Yeah that mentioned battle scene was beyond amazing. One of the best battle scenes since.... Gladiator? Just much bloodier and grittier
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Nov 10, 2018 12:58:06 GMT
The final battle was great,I can't deny that, even if I was worried about the horses the entire time.Overall though, I thought this was nicely shot,fairly well acted and pretty mediocre. Why did you think the final result was just mediocre? What did bother you most about it?
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Post by skyfallen on Nov 10, 2018 13:18:12 GMT
Did Outlaw King get a qualifying theatrical run?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 13:48:12 GMT
This did nothing for me... It's all very paint-by-numbers, and in truth, it's not very good. It moves along at breakneck pace, from one bloody battle scene to the next - there's really no depth or historical nuance. Billy Howle and Aaron Johnson are seemingly deployed to break the monotony, and their performances border on camp... Pine is as charismatic as ever, but he's not given very much to do - there's no real insight into the man himself - he's used more for iconography than anything else. Florence Pugh is interesting (if a bit on the nose), but ultimately wasted.
6/10, or B-
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Post by LaraQ on Nov 10, 2018 14:44:42 GMT
The final battle was great,I can't deny that, even if I was worried about the horses the entire time.Overall though, I thought this was nicely shot,fairly well acted and pretty mediocre. Why did you think the final result was just mediocre? What did bother you most about it? Nothing really bothered me about it,that's kind of my point.I thought it was ok,not good or great ,just ok.
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Post by Zeb31 on Nov 10, 2018 15:06:11 GMT
I just can't muster any excitement to sit through this, trimmed version or not.
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Nov 10, 2018 15:44:48 GMT
I just can't muster any excitement to sit through this, trimmed version or not. Well depends on your taste of movie. If you love epics you are right with this one.
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Nov 10, 2018 15:46:16 GMT
Did Outlaw King get a qualifying theatrical run? I think it got one , yes-
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Post by stephen on Nov 10, 2018 18:33:23 GMT
Honestly, it was a real letdown for me. It’s not poorly made, but it’s merely competent—which for a story that is so intrinsically in the shadow of a majestic force of creative vision as Gibson’s Braveheart is an even more glaring weakness. David Mackenzie’s direction lacks the raw, blistering energy needed to rouse audiences to root actively for Robert the Bruce’s journey, instead making the whole thing come off as an extended sixth-season episode of Game of Thrones rather than a grand, sweeping spectacle.
Unfortunately, Chris Pine is also not the sort of actor who can command the screen with the larger-than-life magnetism needed to make us believe in Robert as this near-mythic figure. He’s naturally likable and all, and in terms of his accent work he’s solid, but he fails to exude any sort of charisma that would be needed to gather an entire nation to his side. Florence Pugh does a much better job of convincing me that she exists in the period, yet her screentime is incredibly minimal and often involves being placed against Pine, with whom she has very little chemistry.
The rest of the cast is a mixed bag as well. Aaron Taylor-Johnson tries so very hard to portray the sort of loose cannon lancer who steals every scene he’s in, but he just comes off as frustratingly irritating. Tony Curran, a dependable actor in most things, disappears into the background and never gets to show his true potential. On the flipside, Billy Howle’s Edward II is a huge departure from the overly fey depiction in Braveheart, but he is no less incompetent, and I actually wish that the film had been more about him and his relationship with his father (a strong but underused Stephen Dillane).
The battle sequences are impressively grimy and the costume design is very strong, but really, this film feels like a pallid shadow of what it could have been.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 18:49:54 GMT
Unfortunately, Chris Pine is also not the sort of actor who can command the screen with the larger-than-life magnetism needed to make us believe in Robert as this near-mythic figure. He’s naturally likable and all, and in terms of his accent work he’s solid, but he fails to exude any sort of charisma that would be needed to gather an entire nation to his side. I really think this is due more to the writing than to Pine himself - as I said before, there is no insight into Robert the Bruce as a person - his motivations, his passions, his weaknesses - in this film, it just seems to be happenstance that he becomes the Scottish king. Rather than exploring its titular character or this particular moment in British history, the film seems to be moving along with workmanlike efficiency, crossing off Braveheart-like checks as it goes.
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Post by stephen on Nov 10, 2018 19:05:27 GMT
Unfortunately, Chris Pine is also not the sort of actor who can command the screen with the larger-than-life magnetism needed to make us believe in Robert as this near-mythic figure. He’s naturally likable and all, and in terms of his accent work he’s solid, but he fails to exude any sort of charisma that would be needed to gather an entire nation to his side. I really think this is due more to the writing than to Pine himself - as I said before, there is no insight into Robert the Bruce as a person - his motivations, his passions, his weaknesses - in this film, it just seems to be happenstance that he becomes the Scottish king. Rather than exploring its titular character or this particular moment in British history, the film seems to be moving along with workmanlike efficiency, crossing off Braveheart-like checks as it goes. The writing certainly did him no favors, and indeed the editing really felt like a butchery (even the untouched scenes from the original cut). But I don't think Chris Pine is a particularly strong leading man. He's a good actor, and with good writing he can be great, especially if he's given a proper character to play (see his works with Joe Carnahan, or Hell or High Water). But he's not an old-school leading man who has enough screen presence or magnetism to do the heavy lifting if the writing isn't there. He's more like Brad Pitt than anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 2:09:35 GMT
Also, I'd add that the gratuitous shots of Pine's beautiful body and his much-publicized full-frontal nude scene seem like cheap, pointless padding for a very dull storyline... I'd rather Pine work with a filmmaker with interesting things to say about male sexuality (like, say, Jane Campion) rather than bare all just to garner more viewers for the film.
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Post by Viced on Nov 11, 2018 4:36:03 GMT
Very disappointing. What should be thrilling and captivating ends up being duller than dishwater. The script is trash... there is no real insight into any of the characters and it was a struggle to give a crap about what was going on. And outside of that, the whole thing just feels incredibly messy. Thank jesus that Mackenzie cut out 20 minutes otherwise it probably would’ve wound up being torturous.
Pine, while not flat out bad, was painfully miscast and borderline distracting. I think a better cast lead actor would’ve bumped this from a 5 to a 6/10.
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Post by wattsnew on Nov 11, 2018 5:07:44 GMT
The nude scene was extremely disappointing.
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Post by harlequinade on Nov 11, 2018 12:29:41 GMT
Can't believe Netflix lured me in with blurry far away shot of a penis
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Post by JangoB on Nov 11, 2018 22:29:51 GMT
Yeah, I was disappointed by this movie. My main problem with it is the choppiness of it all. The film tries to pack so many events in its rather normal two-hour running time that most of the scenes feel rather quick. The movie is jumping through locations and story points, almost never seeming to know when a pause should be made. I've grown increasingly less tolerant of movies that don't seem to care about proper flow of their stories - it feels like too many directors and editors nowadays forget how to establish scenes properly, how to develop them. It's like they only want to show the material and move on, whereas there is life within separate scenes as well which they neglect. I know that Mackenzie cut 20 minutes since the film's premiere in Toronto, but after watching it I felt that it should've been a couple of hours longer.
The other problem for me is a lack of a strong emotional core. The whole thing is curiously detached despite some technically hard-hitting stuff happening. I guess it's due to Mackenzie not really giving it a proper emotional sense. With "Braveheart" you felt a hurricane of emotion - kids giving each other flowers was treated like a heavenly marriage for eternity, characters being killed hit you like a thousand stones and the pathos behind the battle for independence made you want to grab an axe yourself. This movie is not like that. Everything has a 'functional' feeling to it, never becoming personal, enraging, moving.
But I didn't find it terrible or anything. It absolutely could've been a better film but for what it is it's okay. The evocation of the period was done well, the grimy nature of the film worked decently and overall I enjoyed the ensemble. Aaron Taylor-Johnson was pretty bad though, especially in those ridiculous shouting scenes which just cracked me up.
So it was an alright viewing experience but the problems with the film are pretty clear to me.
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Post by Pavan on Nov 12, 2018 19:52:10 GMT
This feels like a 2 hour edited version of a 10 part mini-series. Very flat movie except for a couple of scenes. Beautifully shot and well acted too but I don't think Pine is a good fit for this character- 6.5/10
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Nov 24, 2018 7:03:15 GMT
oh for the love of god, give me that gay sniveling twerp in Braveheart over whatever the hell Billy Howle was doing here. One of the most godawful, screechy, scenery-chewing performances I've seen all year.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Nov 27, 2018 7:22:22 GMT
This film needed either another hour or it needed to be trimmed by about 30 minutes.
Still, I thought it was okay. I think the techs really did it for me... I'm a big Pine supporter but he didn't elevate anything for me (unlike Hell or High Water or Stretch...) and at the same time neither did anyone else in the cast. The battle scenes were great but everything in between were blah. A shame, really, since that opening had me super excited and thinking "man, those guys on the boards are wrong!"
You weren't wrong.
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