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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 2, 2018 17:42:05 GMT
Thoughts?
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Post by stephen on Sept 2, 2018 17:58:43 GMT
I think it's a whole lot of posturing masquerading as "raw intensity", all in service of one of the weakest scripts of the century. The subject matter is treated so cursorily as to feel completely trite, and Fassbender's performance lacks any sort of real definition. Mulligan doesn't fare well at all; her fantastic "New York" scene aside, she is pretty horrid and has zero chemistry with Fassbender. McQueen does what he can with what he's given, but much like 12 Years a Slave, he just cannot elevate bad writing. It's why I have no faith in Widows.
With all that said, Shame's soundtrack is pretty great at being a solid Thin Red Line remix.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 2, 2018 18:18:45 GMT
Episodic, but builds to nothing, and plays false too - you'd think there'd be a lot more fun to be had than is in this phony film. Every film ever made on this subject - ever - whether it just is skirting around the surface or not - Looking For Mr Goodbar, Shampoo you name it is more fun and sadder and scarier than this piece of moralizing. Fassy is good but it feels arbitrary, like a stunt, at various points you feel anything could happen next because there's no script arc.
I like 12YAS because the real life story plays to McQueen's strengths, Hunger too......but here........ not so much.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Sept 2, 2018 18:22:15 GMT
Bleh... I still remember going "OH MY GOD!" during the New York scene. So fucking long.
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Post by stephen on Sept 2, 2018 18:23:08 GMT
Bleh... I still remember going "OH MY GOD!" during the New York scene. So fucking long. Fun fact: I still think if you were a film character, you'd be James Badge Dale in this very movie.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Sept 2, 2018 18:28:12 GMT
Bleh... I still remember going "OH MY GOD!" during the New York scene. So fucking long. Fun fact: I still think if you were a film character, you'd be James Badge Dale in this very movie. Whenever I think James Badge Dale, I always think LAW-RENT!
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Post by moonman157 on Sept 2, 2018 19:03:57 GMT
It's atrocious
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Sept 2, 2018 21:24:53 GMT
At the risk of sounding simplistically dismissive, it's a pile of fucking shit.
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Post by notacrook on Sept 2, 2018 22:47:20 GMT
Um...one of my favourites of the decade.
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Post by JangoB on Sept 2, 2018 23:13:31 GMT
I agree with most of what Stephen wrote, except for the "12 Years a Slave" diss and the bashing of Mulligan's non-NYNY scenes. The score was hilarious.
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Post by Schiggy on Sept 2, 2018 23:14:29 GMT
Incredibly boring and I didn't really get that he was addicted to sex just because he would pay to Skype with cam models, get laid a lot, and...omg...he let a gay guy suck his pee pee! Wow! That's rock bottom right there. No homo.
Not even all the Fasspenis in this film could make it worth watching. Just look up gifs or clips of said penis. Fassbender is nice to look at but not nice to actually pay attention to. Mulligan is also pretty whatever.
It's a solid D.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Sept 2, 2018 23:23:14 GMT
It's like the amateur graduate film student and his lame ideas given a script of toilet paper value. At least Aronofsky has a good grasp of his period. Requiem for a Dream is like an early 00s film and despite getting some of the same criticisms back then that McQueen got, at least Aronofsky knew how to sell his product. Tell me one talent that McQueen has.
I just find it one of the single most disinteresting films around. When I watch Midnight Cowboy, I see New York converted into something symbolic and I can see why the story comes from such a richly built stage. With Shame, what was one thing interesting that the DP did? Gasper Noe usually has some sick imagery.... and gives his films and actors a sense of madness descent... Fassbender has absolutely no great scenes here. It seems like McQueen was just as disinterested in him as the rest of his mundane film.
There is literally nothing worth of value here. None. Carey Mulligan was a promising actress - but the intelligent girl in An Education is just a laughable nothing here. I could've seen that American accent coming from a mile away. But the character is so worthless there was literally nothing that could've been done about it, and her slightly snarky attitude doesn't make even a good performance. All I got from her character is that like her brother, she likes to sleep around. But she does it just because she's just type of girl... or something. Yawn.
He made it an NC-17 film so people who likes sex and masturbation will watch it for shallow reasons. There was one teenager from back on IMDB who kept attacking me because I had Heat and Lost in Translation among my favorite films. He had every movie ever made with incessant sex and nudity among his favorites. This was just one film he had with Eyes Wide Shut and The Cook/The Thief/His Wife and Her Lover, so it's quite obvious to me the type of audience that McQueen gets ...... the kind of people who are as shallow as he is. Masturbation values doesn't make a film good, dude.
Because.... what do I really care about Fassbender's bachelor life? I could go to my closest bro dude, and he'll tell me bachelor stories more interesting than Fassbender's.
With everything said here, I have little anticipation and hope for Widows. I expect it to be more of the same thing as this film. Except he's trying to be a big filmmaker now and thinking he's Michael Mann. As soon as I saw the masks in the Widows trailer, I knew Mann was about to die 10 years younger than his due date.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 3, 2018 0:03:49 GMT
The full-frontal nudity was very harrowing
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Post by jakesully on Sept 3, 2018 3:22:51 GMT
so fucking bad imo . Mulligan was at least decent in it (as she is pretty good in everything)
I'll be generous and give it a 5.5/10 score.
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Post by stabcaesar on Sept 3, 2018 4:18:15 GMT
Fassbender's body and dick
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Sept 3, 2018 12:47:49 GMT
Um...one of my favourites of the decade. Kudos for not hiding in the corner.
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Post by moonman157 on Sept 3, 2018 15:26:10 GMT
With everything said here, I have little anticipation and hope for Widows. I expect it to be more of the same thing as this film. Except he's trying to be a big filmmaker now and thinking he's Michael Mann. As soon as I saw the masks in the Widows trailer, I knew Mann was about to die 10 years younger than his due date. McQueen is largely a worthless director but there are some stray moments in Hunger and 12 Years a Slave that suggest he at least knows how to point a camera which make me vaguely hopeful for Widows because I think he would do best making trashy genre stuff. Given that we will likely never get another Michael Mann movie maybe McQueen quite obviously aping him could be good providing he doesn't try to do his usual HERE IS A BIG MESSAGE I MUST SCREAM IT YOU WITH EVERY SHOT THAT HAS DRAMATIC MUSIC SLATHERED OVER TOP OF IT
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