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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 16:52:05 GMT
Finally found a good time to watch the colossus.
Am planning on seeing it all over the next two days, not sure how many sittings I'll split it into. Normally I like watching movies in one go but anything over 250 minutes is different.
Going in with no real expectations. I hope it's great, but if not I'll still be satisfied I checked this one off my Watchlist. The thing's been sitting there for well over a year at this point.
Thoughts from those who've seen it? Love it? Hate it? Died of exposure halfway through?
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Post by Film Socialism on Aug 2, 2018 21:49:56 GMT
love it a lot, try and watch Spectre as soon as ya can
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Aug 2, 2018 21:53:05 GMT
love it a lot, try and watch Spectre as soon as ya can Bleh. Spectre was garbage. A far cry from the wonderful Skyfall. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 22:52:56 GMT
love it a lot, try and watch Spectre as soon as ya can I've heard that one is a lot harder to follow. Seen Part 1 and Part 2 now, and yeah it's pretty fucking great. A couple of the scenes with the Prometheus Bound gang drag (and I'm not entirely sure what to make of their talk about "aggression") but I like the way their style is contrasting against the other performing group - a group I find a lot more interesting so far. I like this type of story a lot...the many characters, the vague mysteries, the weird connections that keep popping up...can't get enough of that. Oh, and Leaud is not given enough credit for how ridiculously entertaining he is to watch act. Man's a legend. |
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Post by moonman157 on Aug 2, 2018 23:05:35 GMT
If I thought Celine and Julie Go Boating was an interminable slog of bullshit, is there a chance I'll like anything else from Rivette?
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Aug 2, 2018 23:18:21 GMT
Is La Belle Noiseuse the best starting point for Rivette?
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Post by Film Socialism on Aug 2, 2018 23:52:01 GMT
some uh..strange takes in this thread
@red, glad you're enjoying it, i think the plot and concept is its strongest asset and the main reason why i love it
@moonman, not entirely sure what you disliked necessarily, but most of his work isn't like that film necessarily (though it shares a lot of common themes of performance and conspiracy). maybe try something like Secret defense? i mean really there's only two or three rivette films i would say are that close to C&J
@urban, i think he can be difficult (Out 1 being the main one here but a lot of his long work is confounding in some way) but i wouldn't call him anywhere near the least accessible. SH, MDO, rocha, diaz, and duras come immediately to mind as more inscrutable.
@buscemi, best is a little murky but yeah that's a good one to start with
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Post by moonman157 on Aug 3, 2018 3:23:06 GMT
Rivette is the most inaccessible filmmaker. Top 3 at least. literally lmao when seeing people who are clueless in every regard get pumped cause they convince themselves they're into the hard shit you get the girls you bang by talking bout Rivette my dude? |
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Post by Zeb31 on Aug 3, 2018 3:33:08 GMT
literally lmao when seeing people who are clueless in every regard get pumped cause they convince themselves they're into the hard shit you get the girls you bang by talking bout Rivette my dude? Let me just take this opportunity to offer you a general response that's applicable to several threads but can be condensed into a single post: 🌼🌼 let people enjoy things 🌼🌼 |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 3, 2018 3:53:37 GMT
Rivette is the most inaccessible filmmaker. Top 3 at least. literally lmao when seeing people who are clueless in every regard get pumped cause they convince themselves they're into the hard shit you get the girls you bang by talking bout Rivette my dude? You have become medically insane. I suggest you lay off that new juice you've been drinking...it can't be that good for you. The small point youre trying to make makes no sense. Youre just being a fucking idiot right now. And youre starting to feel incredibly awkward and a bit cringeworthy. How many Rivette have you seen again? Celine and Julie Go Boating? That doesn't exactly entitle you to have any opinion on him, does it? I truthfully request that you stop and think about that for a second before moving on. |
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Post by Joaquim on Aug 3, 2018 4:33:38 GMT
I saw it a year and a half ago on Netflix, which is the only reason I saw it as soon as I did. Wanted to see some other Rivette stuff first, the shorter ones mainly (funnily enough I haven't seen any other Rivettes since) but when I saw it available on Netflix I thought, "fuck it, let's go". I liked it, great stuff. 8/10
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Post by moonman157 on Aug 3, 2018 14:07:45 GMT
literally lmao when seeing people who are clueless in every regard get pumped cause they convince themselves they're into the hard shit you get the girls you bang by talking bout Rivette my dude? You have become medically insane. I suggest you lay off that juice you've been drinking...it can't be that good for you. The small point youre trying to make makes no sense. Youre just being a fucking idiot right now. And youre starting to feel incredibly awkward and a bit cringeworthy. How many Rivette have you seen again? Celine and Julie Go Boating? That doesn't exactly entitle you to have any opinion on him, does it? I truthfully request that you stop and think about that for a second before moving on. bro chill |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 21:51:22 GMT
Copying my thoughts over here in case anyone's interested:
It’s finished! A great experience overall, even if I do have problems with it.
I’ll quickly break it down like this...
Top Tier Aspects: Jean-Pierre Léaud’s spectacular performance, “No further than this!”, the character Marie, the Voice/Body segment, and...yeah, really every scene focusing on the Seven Against Thebes crew – I found this lot highly entertaining.
Aspects I Enjoyed: The scope, the references to The Hunting of the Snark, Fabian's performance.
Weak Aspects: A couple of dull/uninteresting episodes and the pacing. The pacing, Rivette. The pacing.
There’s a real sense of mastery when a director knows exactly when to end a scene. Doesn’t matter if it’s very lengthy or lasts less than a minute. And this is my main problem with Out 1 – there are just too many scenes that go on for way, way longer than necessary. The length of a scene – or film – does not bother me. It’s when I find myself getting bored for whatever reason that my enjoyment and appreciation of what I’m watching suffers. I understand why this film was so immensely long, but at the same time I think there’s a good chunk of material in here that could’ve been cut down to this thing's benefit. And yes, I know. “Don’t touch me.” That's awesome and I get it. There are other extremely long works (first thing that comes to mind is my favorite book, Infinite Jest) that I think are supreme masterpieces and perfect the way they are. But here? Eh, I'm not 100% on board.
Don’t mean to end on a negative note – I’m really glad I finally saw this great titan. Lots of captivating scenes, and the best stuff in this movie is seriously top notch. With some tweaking this could've been an all time favorite, but as it stands I'm still very impressed.
Wonderful final shot, too.
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Post by Film Socialism on Aug 4, 2018 0:06:58 GMT
Copying my thoughts over here in case anyone's interested: It’s finished! A great experience overall, even if I do have problems with it. I’ll quickly break it down like this... Top Tier Aspects: Jean-Pierre Léaud’s spectacular performance, “No further than this!”, the character Marie, the Voice/Body segment, and...yeah, really every scene focusing on the Seven Against Thebes crew – I found this lot highly entertaining. Aspects I Enjoyed: The scope, the references to The Hunting of the Snark, Fabian's performance. Weak Aspects: A couple of dull/uninteresting episodes and the pacing. The pacing, Rivette. The pacing. There’s a real sense of mastery when a director knows exactly when to end a scene. Doesn’t matter if it’s very lengthy or lasts less than a minute. And this is my main problem with Out 1 – there are just too many scenes that go on for way, way longer than necessary. The length of a scene – or film – does not bother me. It’s when I find myself getting bored for whatever reason that my enjoyment and appreciation of what I’m watching suffers. I understand why this film was so immensely long, but at the same time I think there’s a good chunk of material in here that could’ve been cut down to this thing's benefit. And yes, I know. “Don’t touch me.” That's awesome and I get it. There are other extremely long works (first thing that comes to mind is my favorite book, Infinite Jest) that I think are supreme masterpieces and perfect the way they are. But here? Eh, I'm not 100% on board. Don’t mean to end on a negative note – I’m really glad I finally saw this great titan. Lots of captivating scenes, and the best stuff in this movie is seriously top notch. With some tweaking this could've been an all time favorite, but as it stands I'm still very impressed. Wonderful final shot, too. we have pretty similar thoughts on this though i think how much it fits within his filmo elevates it for me. i implore you to check out the shortened work when you get a chance. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 0:15:10 GMT
Copying my thoughts over here in case anyone's interested: It’s finished! A great experience overall, even if I do have problems with it. I’ll quickly break it down like this... Top Tier Aspects: Jean-Pierre Léaud’s spectacular performance, “No further than this!”, the character Marie, the Voice/Body segment, and...yeah, really every scene focusing on the Seven Against Thebes crew – I found this lot highly entertaining. Aspects I Enjoyed: The scope, the references to The Hunting of the Snark, Fabian's performance. Weak Aspects: A couple of dull/uninteresting episodes and the pacing. The pacing, Rivette. The pacing. There’s a real sense of mastery when a director knows exactly when to end a scene. Doesn’t matter if it’s very lengthy or lasts less than a minute. And this is my main problem with Out 1 – there are just too many scenes that go on for way, way longer than necessary. The length of a scene – or film – does not bother me. It’s when I find myself getting bored for whatever reason that my enjoyment and appreciation of what I’m watching suffers. I understand why this film was so immensely long, but at the same time I think there’s a good chunk of material in here that could’ve been cut down to this thing's benefit. And yes, I know. “Don’t touch me.” That's awesome and I get it. There are other extremely long works (first thing that comes to mind is my favorite book, Infinite Jest) that I think are supreme masterpieces and perfect the way they are. But here? Eh, I'm not 100% on board. Don’t mean to end on a negative note – I’m really glad I finally saw this great titan. Lots of captivating scenes, and the best stuff in this movie is seriously top notch. With some tweaking this could've been an all time favorite, but as it stands I'm still very impressed. Wonderful final shot, too. we have pretty similar thoughts on this though i think how much it fits within his filmo elevates it for me. i implore you to check out the shortened work when you get a chance. Yeah, I'll be interested to see how differently it plays out. I've heard very mixed things about Spectre. I'm by no means a Rivette expert - haven't even seen your favorite yet, Celine and Julie Go Boating - so I can imagine this might improve if I had a great love and knowledge for his body of work before seeing it. |
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Post by tobias on Aug 10, 2018 1:18:08 GMT
@redhawk10 (and the lenght) - that's the thing, it's not meant to be perfect but it's meant to be the thing that it is - which is an absurdly lengthy low budget film about 2 rivaling impro theater groups and an elusive utopia somehwere inbetween. This was much more a film they just made than anything that would or should ever be refined. In the remaster they left the hairs on the film for just that reason. I'm assuming if there is any refined version of it, it's Spectre but I'm unsure if it actually improves it (in a conventional sense maybe but when speaking about the whole experience I don't know, heavily depends on the person probably). @all - Rivette is definitely not the most inaccesible filmmaker, he just does two things that are extremely unpopular in mainstream film: make collaborative films and be massively into litterature. People who like theatre and are into classical litterature would be very attracted to many of Rivette's films. Rivette's films are inaccesible if all you do is think about movies maybe. @moonman - potentially his period pieces, La Belle noiseuse or Paris Belongs to Us. C&J is not really indicative of him as a whole, it depends on if you thought it was too slow or if you disliked the idea behind it. The former would be a pretty good indicator that Rivette may not be for you, the later not really. Here are my post watching thoughts on Out 1: movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/post/21048 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 1:39:12 GMT
@redhawk10 (and the lenght) - that's the thing, it's not meant to be perfect but it's meant to be the thing that it is - which is an absurdly lengthy low budget film about 2 rivaling impro theater groups and an elusive utopia somehwere inbetween. This was much more a film they just made than anything that would or should ever be refined. In the remaster they left the hairs on the film for just that reason. I'm assuming if there is any refined version of it, it's Spectre but I'm unsure if it actually improves it (in a conventional sense maybe but when speaking about the whole experience I don't know, heavily depends on the person probably). Here are my post watching thoughts on Out 1: movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/post/21048Fully understood, Tobias. It didn't 100% click for me though. I'm not even trying to criticize it (it's a great film and so the complaints I have aren't ship sinking) as much as explain why it's not quite up there for me as a top favorite. I'll give your thoughts a look tonight. |
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Post by tobias on Aug 10, 2018 2:28:26 GMT
@redhawk10 (and the lenght) - that's the thing, it's not meant to be perfect but it's meant to be the thing that it is - which is an absurdly lengthy low budget film about 2 rivaling impro theater groups and an elusive utopia somehwere inbetween. This was much more a film they just made than anything that would or should ever be refined. In the remaster they left the hairs on the film for just that reason. I'm assuming if there is any refined version of it, it's Spectre but I'm unsure if it actually improves it (in a conventional sense maybe but when speaking about the whole experience I don't know, heavily depends on the person probably). Here are my post watching thoughts on Out 1: movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/post/21048Fully understood, Tobias. It didn't 100% click for me though. I'm not even trying to criticize it (it's a great film and so the complaints I have aren't ship sinking) as much as explain why it's not quite up there for me as a top favorite. I'll give your thoughts a look tonight. Yeah, I wasn't intending to really disagree with you, I think I have similar feelings to you (though maybe I like it a bit better) as I also think the production is flawed, I was just saying that it's sort of flawed by design. You can't make a 13 hour experimental film you shoot on a microbudget on a very tight scheduele 100 % click with anyone (there are exceptions I guess), ultimately I think the opinions on a film like this are bound to be a bit binary: either you found it interesting enough to watch the entire thing in which case you probably think it's pretty good or you didn't. The usual layer of craftsmanship that glues films together is largely absent (speaking in a conventional manner), it's much rather made in a way that is in some way serviceable to get it done at all under the conditions at hand (of course there are still good ideas and some great shots). All of this makes it a bit harder to compare it to films that follow a more conventional model of production and I think most everyone will have some issues with the length or at the very least not have found the entire film equally engrossing from beginning to end. I mean Out 1 was shot in 6 weeks which is a tight scheduele even for a 2 hour film. For further reference I think Fassbinder, one of the fastest working directors of all time, used about 1 year to shoot Berlin Alexanderplatz which has about the same length but has actual pacing (because it took about 10 times as long to shoot). Practicly shooting a good 13 hour film in this time isn't possible, it only works because of Rivette's excessive use of longtakes and his willingness to make concessions and even then the scheduele was probably still a pain in the ass. I mean Rivette was more or less setting out to make the biggest epic of his career on possibly the smallest budget he ever got, it was kind of a march with the head through the wall. |
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