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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Aug 12, 2019 22:47:25 GMT
Eddie Murphy isn't a living legend? How is that even a remotely controversial assertion? He''s widely regarded as one of the greatest comedians and comic actors of all-time. Not of his generation. All-time. To other comedians and comic actors, he's a legend, and trust me, comics tend to be the hardest judges of other comics. As for the rest, guess we'll wait and see. I think the trailer was cut to sell the comedy more because it's Eddie Murphy, and they want to bring in fans of his comedy . But you can tell he'll have dramatic arcs to play as well. He's not a living legend and he's not one of the greatest comedians of all time. Maybe one of the greatest living comedians but not ever. This is false.
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Post by jakob on Aug 13, 2019 0:02:26 GMT
That Comedy Golden Globe Actor nomination is coming. I’m changing my predictions. Good point. I saw posters on another board (Awardswatch I believe) already pencilling in DiCaprio for the Comedy/Musical Globe win for Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, but I think he'd have a tough time beating a comedy legend (who looks in top form) like Murphy in this category. I could still see DiCaprio win, given the film’s Best Picture status seems to be strong, and he’s maybe more likely for an Oscar nomination than Murphy... but I could also see them giving love to Murphy at the Globes as a (deserving) “welcome back”, even if he doesn’t get Oscar-nominated and DiCaprio does.
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Post by Good God on Aug 13, 2019 1:58:19 GMT
I could still see DiCaprio win, given the film’s Best Picture status seems to be strong, and he’s maybe more likely for an Oscar nomination than Murphy... but I could also see them giving love to Murphy at the Globes as a (deserving) “welcome back”, even if he doesn’t get Oscar-nominated and DiCaprio does. DiCaprio already has 3 Globe wins, with 2 on the trot and 1 of them being in the Comedy category. If Murphy gets nominated and he's a strong contender for an Oscar nomination, I see the Globes siding with him just because they wouldn't want to award DiCaprio 3 Globes for 3 consecutive performances (including 2 Comedy Globes) over a famed comedic actor like Murphy who has 0 Comedy Globes. It'd just feel weird. With that said, I think Brad Pitt is the favorite for the Comedy Globe. The Musical/Comedy category seems to be barren this year and the HFPA can make room for more big names in the Supporting category if they put Pitt in Comedy Lead. They can also get "integrity" points that they don't support category fraud. If Pitt goes Comedy Lead he is definitely getting nominated. And when you consider that he's getting notices as good as (or better than) DiCaprio and has never won a Lead Globe (last winning Supporting 24 years ago), the narrative writes itself. I can easily see something like this happening. Edit: Just saw that you made the same argument on the Globes thread for Brad Pitt being put in Comedy Lead. I just also think he will win.
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Post by stephen on Aug 13, 2019 2:48:57 GMT
I could still see DiCaprio win, given the film’s Best Picture status seems to be strong, and he’s maybe more likely for an Oscar nomination than Murphy... but I could also see them giving love to Murphy at the Globes as a (deserving) “welcome back”, even if he doesn’t get Oscar-nominated and DiCaprio does. DiCaprio already has 3 Globe wins, with 2 on the trot and 1 of them being in the Comedy category. If Murphy gets nominated and he's a strong contender for an Oscar nomination, I see the Globes siding with him just because they wouldn't want to award DiCaprio 3 Globes for 3 consecutive performances (including 2 Comedy Globes) over a famed comedic actor like Murphy who has 0 Comedy Globes. It'd just feel weird. With that said, I think Brad Pitt is the favorite for the Comedy Globe. The Musical/Comedy category seems to be barren this year and the HFPA can make room for more big names in the Supporting category if they put Pitt in Comedy Lead. They can also get "integrity" points that they don't support category fraud. If Pitt goes Comedy Lead he is definitely getting nominated. And when you consider that he's getting notices as good as (or better than) DiCaprio and has never won a Lead Globe (last winning Supporting 24 years ago), the narrative writes itself. I can easily see something like this happening. Edit: Just saw that you made the same argument on the Globes thread for Brad Pitt being put in Comedy Lead. I just also think he will win. Which is why I've been wondering why the hell they just don't push Pitt in lead and make him priority. It's highly unlikely DiCaprio can snag a second win so soon, especially for this (as good as he is in it), but it's feasible they can build a narrative around Pitt. And if they're worried about internal competition with Ad Astra, why bet on him getting in for a genre film directed by James Gray (who has yet to make a dent with the Academy) when they have a plum role here they can campaign in Best Actor? I know they'll want to maximize their nomination count and they think Pitt has a built-in advantage of frauding in supporting, but I think they might as well make the Best Actor play with him, as it's certainly doable, especially as it's likely he can take the Comedy Globe.
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Post by Good God on Aug 13, 2019 3:06:32 GMT
Which is why I've been wondering why the hell they just don't push Pitt in lead and make him priority. It's highly unlikely DiCaprio can snag a second win so soon, especially for this (as good as he is in it), but it's feasible they can build a narrative around Pitt. And if they're worried about internal competition with Ad Astra, why bet on him getting in for a genre film directed by James Gray (who has yet to make a dent with the Academy) when they have a plum role here they can campaign in Best Actor? I know they'll want to maximize their nomination count and they think Pitt has a built-in advantage of frauding in supporting, but I think they might as well make the Best Actor play with him, as it's certainly doable, especially as it's likely he can take the Comedy Globe. Well, I think it's smart to push him Supporting for multiple reasons. 1. If they push him Supporting, both he and DiCaprio become likely to be nominated. 2. If they push him in Lead, I think both their chances of getting nominated will worsen. Because while Pitt might be getting better ink (from critics, particularly), DiCaprio's performance will likely connect better with actors (who're the only ones who vote for the nominations), and vote-splitting from fans of a movie is never a good thing. There is a real chance both could miss, in that scenario. 3. I don't think Pitt's chances of winning in Lead would be that much better than DiCaprio's chances of winning in Lead. Neither is the type of performance that wins, but DiCaprio at least has to show a bit of range and emotion. Pitt's is a quintessential movie star performance, which is not a bad thing at all, but those rarely win anymore. All alternatives would need to fall away for that to happen, in which case even DiCaprio might stand a chance of winning. Basically, if they're both pushed in Lead, I think the best case scenario is for one of them to be nominated (because there seem to be a lot of potential contenders for the nomination) and not winning (because DiCaprio just won and Pitt doesn't have a winning type of role/performance). However, if they're split up, a very realistic scenario is for both of them to be nominated and Pitt perhaps even winning.
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Post by stephen on Aug 13, 2019 3:12:41 GMT
Which is why I've been wondering why the hell they just don't push Pitt in lead and make him priority. It's highly unlikely DiCaprio can snag a second win so soon, especially for this (as good as he is in it), but it's feasible they can build a narrative around Pitt. And if they're worried about internal competition with Ad Astra, why bet on him getting in for a genre film directed by James Gray (who has yet to make a dent with the Academy) when they have a plum role here they can campaign in Best Actor? I know they'll want to maximize their nomination count and they think Pitt has a built-in advantage of frauding in supporting, but I think they might as well make the Best Actor play with him, as it's certainly doable, especially as it's likely he can take the Comedy Globe. Well, I think it's smart to push him Supporting for multiple reasons. 1. If they push him Supporting, both he and DiCaprio become likely to be nominated. 2. If they push him in Lead, I think both their chances of getting nominated will worsen. Because while Pitt might be getting better ink (from critics, particularly), DiCaprio's performance will likely connect better with actors (who're the only ones who vote for the nominations), and vote-splitting from fans of a movie is never a good thing. There is a real chance both could miss, in that scenario. 3. I don't think Pitt's chances of winning in Lead would be that much better than DiCaprio's chances of winning in Lead. Neither is the type of performance that wins, but DiCaprio at least has to show a bit of range and emotion. Pitt's is a quintessential movie star performance, which is not a bad thing at all, but those rarely win. All alternatives would need to fall away for that to happen, in which case even DiCaprio might stand a chance of winning. Basically, if they're both pushed in Lead, I think the best case scenario is for one of them to be nominated (because there seem to be a lot of potential contenders for the nomination) and not winning (because DiCaprio just won and Pitt doesn't have a winning type of role/performance). However, if they're split up, a very realistic scenario is for both of them to be nominated and Pitt perhaps even winning. Oh, I absolutely get why they're doing it the way they are. But I hope that it starts a conversation about category fraud.
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Post by morton on Aug 13, 2019 3:18:27 GMT
I could still see DiCaprio win, given the film’s Best Picture status seems to be strong, and he’s maybe more likely for an Oscar nomination than Murphy... but I could also see them giving love to Murphy at the Globes as a (deserving) “welcome back”, even if he doesn’t get Oscar-nominated and DiCaprio does. DiCaprio already has 3 Globe wins, with 2 on the trot and 1 of them being in the Comedy category. If Murphy gets nominated and he's a strong contender for an Oscar nomination, I see the Globes siding with him just because they wouldn't want to award DiCaprio 3 Globes for 3 consecutive performances (including 2 Comedy Globes) over a famed comedic actor like Murphy who has 0 Comedy Globes. It'd just feel weird. With that said, I think Brad Pitt is the favorite for the Comedy Globe. The Musical/Comedy category seems to be barren this year and the HFPA can make room for more big names in the Supporting category if they put Pitt in Comedy Lead. They can also get "integrity" points that they don't support category fraud. If Pitt goes Comedy Lead he is definitely getting nominated. And when you consider that he's getting notices as good as (or better than) DiCaprio and has never won a Lead Globe (last winning Supporting 24 years ago), the narrative writes itself. I can easily see something like this happening. Edit: Just saw that you made the same argument on the Globes thread for Brad Pitt being put in Comedy Lead. I just also think he will win. I was trying to think who could fill out the Comedy/Musical category, but I'm struggling past the first 3 people. These 3 seem locked unless we get some surprises later on in the year, or the Globes do some shuffling to be able to fill out the category. Leonardo DiCaprio, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood Taron Egerton, Rocketman Eddie Murphy, Dolemite Is My Name Possible Nominees from films going to festivals: Hugh Jackman, Bad Education - Not sure if it's a comedy or not. Adam Sandler, Uncut Gems - Same. Other possibilities: -Bryan Cranston, The Upside - I feel like this is already forgotten, and I don't know that he's big enough for the Globes to throw a token nomination too. -Matthew McConaughey, The Beach Bum - I guess he still has enough cache as a star that I could see the Globes nominating him just to fill out the category. -Himesh Patel, Yesterday - Mildly successful film, but Patel is so unknown that I don't know with this group. I could see the film charming them though. -Jesse Eisenberg, The Art of Self Defense - I don't think this was big enough for it to appear on the Globes's radar. -Henry Golding, Last Christmas - I'm just worried that he'll be bland again, so a Globe nomination seems unlikely if that happens. -Seth Rogen, Long Shot - Forgive me for the pun, but definitely a long shot. The movie and Rogen are okay, but I think they'd definitely shuffle around some supporting people to leading rather than nominate Rogen for it. -Randall Park, Always Be My Maybe - If it were Keanu Reeves, they'd definitely nominate him, but I can't see them nominating Park in a film that most will have forgot about by then. -Viveik Kalra, Blinded by the Light - Probably zero chance, but really hope that the film gets some attention because it's the best of the 3 movies this year that was inspired by songs from singer-songwriters of the '70s.
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Post by Good God on Aug 13, 2019 3:20:26 GMT
Oh, I absolutely get why they're doing it the way they are. But I hope that it starts a conversation about category fraud. While I agree that this is category fraud, I don't think it's that bad. The movie starts with Dalton, ends with Dalton, and when Dalton and Booth are together, Dalton is more the focus. Even Tarantino said this is Dalton's story more than Booth's. The only reason this could become a talking point is because Brad Pitt is such a big star. I'm hoping it starts a conversation, too, but only after nominations are announced, LOL.
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Post by Good God on Aug 13, 2019 3:25:15 GMT
I was trying to think who could fill out the Comedy/Musical category, but I'm struggling past the first 3 people. These 3 seem locked unless we get some surprises later on in the year, or the Globes do some shuffling to be able to fill out the category. Leonardo DiCaprio, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood Taron Egerton, Rocketman Eddie Murphy, Dolemite Is My Name Possible Nominees from films going to festivals: Hugh Jackman, Bad Education - Not sure if it's a comedy or not. Adam Sandler, Uncut Gems - Same. Other possibilities: -Bryan Cranston, The Upside - I feel like this is already forgotten, and I don't know that he's big enough for the Globes to throw a token nomination too. -Matthew McConaughey, The Beach Bum - I guess he still has enough cache as a star that I could see the Globes nominating him just to fill out the category. -Himesh Patel, Yesterday - Mildly successful film, but Patel is so unknown that I don't know with this group. I could see the film charming them though. -Jesse Eisenberg, The Art of Self Defense - I don't think this was big enough for it to appear on the Globes's radar. -Henry Golding, Last Christmas - I'm just worried that he'll be bland again, so a Globe nomination seems unlikely if that happens. -Seth Rogen, Long Shot - Forgive me for the pun, but definitely a long shot. The movie and Rogen are okay, but I think they'd definitely shuffle around some supporting people to leading rather than nominate Rogen for it. -Randall Park, Always Be My Maybe - If it were Keanu Reeves, they'd definitely nominate him, but I can't see them nominating Park in a film that most will have forgot about by then. -Viveik Kalra, Blinded by the Light - Probably zero chance, but really hope that the film gets some attention because it's the best of the 3 movies this year that was inspired by songs from singer-songwriters of the '70s. It's not even worth speculating about beyond the guys we already talked about, honestly. Some one-eyed man is going to beat up the rest of the blind men and make it into this wasteland. I know Dirk (from Awards Watch) is going crazy about Sandler and is tricking some people into thinking he's this big Oscar contender, but a lot of things would have to go right for him to just be in contention for an Oscar nomination. Any talk about him winning sounds ridiculous to me. Also, I think the Globes would want to nominate DiCaprio and Pitt together in the same category and make them sit at the same table with Tarantino and Robbie. It's the stuff star-fuckery is made of.
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Post by TerryMontana on Aug 13, 2019 5:18:29 GMT
He's not a living legend and he's not one of the greatest comedians of all time. Maybe one of the greatest living comedians but not ever. This is false. What is?
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Aug 13, 2019 11:08:47 GMT
Your assertion that Eddie Murphy isn’t a living legend and one of the greatest comedians of all time.
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Post by TerryMontana on Aug 13, 2019 12:50:30 GMT
Your assertion that Eddie Murphy isn’t a living legend and one of the greatest comedians of all time. If you think he's a living legend, fine by me. Quoting the Dude, well, you know... that's just... like... your opinion, man
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Post by quetee on Aug 29, 2019 5:28:02 GMT
Eddie's hosting SNL in December.
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