Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 12:14:38 GMT
I started the discussion thread on the news page so I guess it’s fitting I start the discussion thread on the movie proper. I still have some reservations with Howard having taken over as director, as I would have liked to have seen Lord and Miller’s version (even though it keeps dawning on me how overrated I find 22 Jump Street to be and how I still hated The LEGO Movie’s twist...but I digress). Still, I’ll probably enjoy this.
|
|
|
Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 24, 2018 13:16:46 GMT
I'm kinda torn on whether to bother with this. The only Star Wars universe film I've ever seen is the first one from '77 and I wasn't that fussed about it to be honest. Since this is a standalone feature (more or less) I probably could give it a look, but I don't think it looks up too much. I may just watch it later in the year. I don't see myself shelling out the cinema price for it.
|
|
|
Post by ibbi on May 24, 2018 18:14:41 GMT
Holy shit this was bad. As a movie in its own right it is not TERRIBLE, it is mildly enjoyable even if it is sadly one of those ridiculous recent blockbusters (ID: Resurgence, The Mummy) that seems to exist solely to set up sequels (firstly because it's slight to the point that when it ended I thought "Da fuq?", and secondly because it does that thing where it leaves 2 or 3 massive plot points wide open to be continued with barely the slightest trace of any kind of satisfying conclusion).
No, the real problem comes when you try and look at it within the larger context of the Star Wars universe (impossible not to when it features some of the most famous characters/iconography in movies).
This movie suffers that problem that I guess most of them end up doing when you make too many movies over too long a period of time - Unless I am missing something major it completely fucks up the entire Star Wars timeline in a way so broad it doesn't look like they even tried to establish it within the same universe.
If this is your first Star Wars movies you MIGHT enjoy it, but otherwise it makes no sense. The worst part of it is that this issue is primarily caused by a single scene that just throws the whole thing out of whack (someone bring back George Lucas and his scissorhands) solely to do some sequel setting up, and opening up new toy possibilities.
|
|
|
Post by jakesully on May 24, 2018 18:53:33 GMT
After seeing The Last Jedi , I'm pretty much done with Disney's Star Wars . Just can't get into them for the most part. The only one I maybe mildly liked was Rogue One due to the crazy Vader finale .
Solo doesn't look remotely good imo.
|
|
|
Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 24, 2018 22:32:12 GMT
30 more minutes.
|
|
|
Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 25, 2018 1:32:40 GMT
I knew I was gonna have serious misgivings about this movie when that officer just gives Han his last name. “Han... Solo.” (How Dead Men Tell No Tales of you) I think this highlights why Han needed to go after TFA. In an effort to supply more depth to his character, they’ve actually made him less intriguing. We didn’t need to know half of the explanations this movie throws at us, and I held out hope that it would pull it off tactfully, but it doesn’t succeed. Its clearly trying hard, in fact too hard, but it’s all kind of in vain. With TFA and TLJ, I felt enraptured, even Rogue One had that awesome third act. But I just felt tired watching Solo. I don’t hate it, it’s not even a bad film, I just feel... nothing.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 2:59:56 GMT
Just got back from it. I enjoyed it. It definitely has its issues but it was fun. I sure as hell liked it more than Rogue One. Glover and Waller-Bridge stole the show. Everyone else is mostly just pretty good, even Ehrenreich. Most of the action sequences are on point, although I'll admit that finale was a bit anti-climactic. SPOILER THOUGHTS I agree with Ryan that how Han gets his last name was cheesy as hell. If he had just always been Han Solo, I would have been fine with that. I didn't need an origin for the name. There was also virtually no need for Newton and Favreau's characters. They get killed off before we get a chance to know them or feel for them. It seemed to just set up a loss for Beckett, but even he seems for forget that kind-of forced relationship with Val. L3's death bummed me out a lot more because she was my favorite character. Like I said, the final showdown is kind of underwhelming compared to a lot of the other climaxes in the rest of the series. Like, Han killing Beckett seemed like a forced "Han shot first" gag. However, I did get genuinely surprised/excited at the reveal of Darth Maul. Of course, I don't know if this is going to carry on to another Han-based movie or one of these other "Star Wars Story" movies. I guess I give it like a 7 or 8 right now.
|
|
wonky
Full Member
Posts: 596
Likes: 713
|
Post by wonky on May 25, 2018 3:57:35 GMT
Holy shit this was bad. As a movie in its own right it is not TERRIBLE, it is mildly enjoyable even if it is sadly one of those ridiculous recent blockbusters (ID: Resurgence, The Mummy) that seems to exist solely to set up sequels (firstly because it's slight to the point that when it ended I thought "Da fuq?", and secondly because it does that thing where it leaves 2 or 3 massive plot points wide open to be continued with barely the slightest trace of any kind of satisfying conclusion). No, the real problem comes when you try and look at it within the larger context of the Star Wars universe (impossible not to when it features some of the most famous characters/iconography in movies). This movie suffers that problem that I guess most of them end up doing when you make too many movies over too long a period of time - Unless I am missing something major it completely fucks up the entire Star Wars timeline in a way so broad it doesn't look like they even tried to establish it within the same universe. If this is your first Star Wars movies you MIGHT enjoy it, but otherwise it makes no sense. The worst part of it is that this issue is primarily caused by a single scene that just throws the whole thing out of whack (someone bring back George Lucas and his scissorhands) solely to do some sequel setting up, and opening up new toy possibilities. I assume you're talking about Darth Maul's appearance. I am not that familiar with SW stuff beyond the movies but looking up his Wiki it is apparently a thing through the TV shows that he survived Phantom Menace.
However, through his hate and will to survive, Maul used the Force to grab an air vent as he was tumbling down the reactor shaft. He then managed to make it to a trash container.
And then he meets up with Obi-Wan again in one of the shows and is killed again, apparently for good (?)
So this is actually the opposite problem, they're paying too much attention to these things and just goes to show we're getting closer to no such thing as a self-contained story anymore in franchisedom. It's the age of cinematic universes. Consume every piece of media that exists on any given property or you're SOL!
|
|
|
Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 25, 2018 17:23:19 GMT
I almost didn’t want to write this, because I didn’t want to give the pissy toddlers of the internet vindication for The Last Jedi, but I had to be honest with myself. This just isn’t good, and it shows how misconceived these anthology spin-offs have been so far.
|
|
|
Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 26, 2018 1:54:31 GMT
Not that Solo is good, but I had a funny (and easy) argument about how Disney was “killing” Star Wars. All it took to win was to point out that *this* was a thing...
|
|
|
Post by theycallmemrfish on May 26, 2018 2:06:38 GMT
Not that Solo is good, but I had a funny (and easy) argument about how Disney was “killing” Star Wars. All it took to win was to point out that *this* was a thing... Hahaha. Even if I'm on the opposing side of the argument, that's gotta be a blight on all things SW.
|
|
|
Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 26, 2018 2:12:58 GMT
Not that Solo is good, but I had a funny (and easy) argument about how Disney was “killing” Star Wars. All it took to win was to point out that *this* was a thing... Hahaha. Even if I'm on the opposing side of the argument, that's gotta be a blight on all things SW. Yep. I understand and accept the opposition, but I’m always thinking “If you think that’s bad, J guarantee you it can be much worse.”
|
|
|
Post by theycallmemrfish on May 26, 2018 2:18:28 GMT
Not that Solo is good, but I had a funny (and easy) argument about how Disney was “killing” Star Wars. All it took to win was to point out that *this* was a thing... Hahaha. Even if I'm on the opposing side of the argument, that's gotta be a blight on all things SW. Yeah, it could have been Baywatch where there's a 4 minute scene of Efron playing with a dead guy's penis... (yes, that actually happens)
|
|
|
Post by Pavan on May 26, 2018 6:28:25 GMT
I'm worried about seeing this in 3D but i have no other option. 3D makes the picture look dark and Bradford Young has the tendency to shoot in very low light than other DPs.
|
|
|
Post by Pavan on May 26, 2018 18:08:38 GMT
As an action adventure film it's alright. It's fast paced and offers some fun here and there. Ehrenreich gave his best and i liked his scenes with Glover as Lando. Chewie had memorable moments too but other than it's 'forgettable'. Not a bad film at all but it story wise it is least interesting. Just feels episodic through out moving from one set piece to another. I liked the complex doomed romance thing between Han and Qi'ra even though I've seen such stories many times. It fitted well to this Space western backdrop. I was pleasantly surprised by Darth Maul's cameo Also it doesn't add much to the Star Wars lore. Even Rogue One served a purpose in the bigger picture. Even if it's not what they intended at least give us a good story and character development. I was surprised to know that this cost $250M but it doesn't look that way courtesy of the cinematography. I mean you would shoot that way if you have less budget or you want to show your artistic side. In doing so the production design and visuals effects took a backseat.
|
|
|
Post by Pavan on May 26, 2018 18:25:55 GMT
I liked the Gravity well sequence. Got some Lovecraftian vibes from that.
|
|
|
Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on May 26, 2018 18:52:03 GMT
I'm worried about seeing this in 3D but i have no other option. 3D makes the picture look dark and Bradford Young has the tendency to shoot in very low light than other DPs. Damn, with the added darkness that comes with 3D, you must have thought the first 20 minutes was just a black screen.
|
|
|
Post by Pavan on May 26, 2018 20:44:07 GMT
I'm worried about seeing this in 3D but i have no other option. 3D makes the picture look dark and Bradford Young has the tendency to shoot in very low light than other DPs. Damn, with the added darkness that comes with 3D, you must have thought the first 20 minutes was just a black screen. I like the way the he lit the scene with Promixa or whatever that creature Han encounters. It's overkill if the whole film looks that way.
|
|
|
Post by Pavan on May 26, 2018 20:53:11 GMT
I was genuinely excited when Bradford Young's name was attached to this project coz i loved his work in Arrival. But watching the dimly lit Solo in 3D was painful. Now i feel like i don't remember watching it at all.
|
|
|
Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 26, 2018 21:00:24 GMT
Damn, with the added darkness that comes with 3D, you must have thought the first 20 minutes was just a black screen. I like the way the he lit the scene with Promixa or whatever that creature Han encounters. It's overkill if the whole film looks that way. I get why it’s shot that way, but it became more a nuisance than anything. I’m trying to admire what looks like an amazing puppet, and everything looks like its lit by a colorblind Na’vi.
|
|
|
Post by mrimpossible on May 27, 2018 1:34:50 GMT
Just got out of Solo and it ain’t half bad. Better than Last Jedi and Rogue One. I enjoyed the light nature of it. Actors were all good especially Alden Ehrenreich surprisingly. Best visuals and sets I’ve seen in a Star Wars movie yet. 7/10
Go in with an open mind and lesser expectations and you’ll have fun. Feels like one of those 70s or 80s Sci-fi films you’ve seen but in a mostly good way. I too think Ron Howard saved it the flaws in the movie are clearly because of the production. It’s apparent.
|
|
|
Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on May 28, 2018 0:10:09 GMT
This was fun and much better than Rogue One. While I wouldn't rank it above The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi, I came out of this with fewer complaints than any other SW film within the last few years. I thought Ehrenreich was pretty fantastic and nailed the swagger and attitude. I dug the humor, especially when it involved either the Rio Durant and L3 characters. Only a couple things that bothered me: I'm not sure I was entirely convinced by how some of the character relationships were formed, and that cameo that everyone is talking about still felt jarring even though I knew about it going in. The action sequences were engaging, and John Powell's score is quite terrific (really striking use of Bulgarian women's choir and a nice nod to Stravinsky's Firebird in the love theme).
7/10
|
|
|
Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 28, 2018 3:51:46 GMT
It was fun! Certainly better than Rogue One and I have fewer criticisms here than I did with Infinity War. It had a nice sense of character, had the old school serial feel with our heroes constantly getting themselves out of a pickle only to be caught in another, the cast was uniformly excellent, Bradford Young was born to shoot a Star Wars film, the staging of the action was really good for the most part (I think some parts near the end started to be muddled in how it was cut together), and it had a few nice little surprises to keep in interesting. Perhaps most impressive is that there's nothing within the film that made me think about the behind the scenes trouble. Everything from the tone to the performances felt consistent throughout.
Now for a couple criticisms. Structurally, I would have taken out the first 20 or so minutes and started the film with the mission on Vandor and give the rest of the film from then on more time to breathe and develop between the set pieces. I also think that the sound mix was a bit overbearing whenever a lot of action was going on; it's draining on the ears when both the music and the sound effects are turned all the way up simultaneously for extended periods of time and a more subdued mix with a peak at the most intense moment would have been more gratifying.
Kind of a shame the context surrounding this film is so negative since this was a pretty fun film and one I'd be willing to see a sequel to. But considering how parasitic a large segment of the fanbase has become and the current age where we analyze productions under a microscope before the film even arrives, I sincerely wonder if any new Star Wars film can come without some wave of negativity. Hell, I think online film criticism has gotten to the point where the original Star Wars or Indiana Jones movies would have been trashed these days. I could see the criticisms now: flat characters, predictable stories, "how does X know about Y, that's a plot hole!," tally up the CinemaSins. Ugh, this is an issue I have way beyond Solo but it feels like we as an audience have become so hyperaware of film and narrative technique that we're ceasing to enjoy it. I'm part of that problem as well and I've been trying to reject that side of me looking for a reason to be unhappy.
|
|
|
Post by alexanderblanchett on May 28, 2018 20:34:24 GMT
I really liked it. The film deserves a better reputation that it has. It is a fun story with fun characters and many little fun twists. The clue of the film is that Alden Ehrenreich is perfectly cast in the lead role of Han Solo. An iconic character that was brought to life and legend status by Harrison Ford. Ehrenreich nails that role because he perfectly adapts the same characteristics, charms and charisma which made Ford's Solo so iconic. Great performance. Also Donald Glover was perfectly cast as a young Lando Chalirssian although I hoped they would have developed him and his relationship with Solo a bit more. But this was just one of a few minor errors that held the film back from being a real masterpiece. The story was good, pretty basic but totally justifies a film about Han Solo. It was like a crime western in a way. From the rest of the cast it is Woody Harrelson that stands out the most as Solo's sort of mentor. While Emilia Clarke was only mediocre and didn't do much for the film. Paul Bethany made a solid villain but also a bit too basic at times. Thandie Newton was okay but a bit wasted. I really liked Ron Howard's direction and approach to the story, however I wonder what Phil Lord and Christopher Miller would have done with the material. Another great aspect of the film was the fantastic action, great visuality and a wonderful original and adapted score. It did have a lot of fun factor but also some lengths. It justifies the character Han Solo and that was the most important thing. I dont need a sequel or anything but it was a good way to bring us this character and also his famous friendship with Chewbacca closer.
8/10
|
|
|
Post by countjohn on May 28, 2018 22:59:33 GMT
I know I recently went on my big anti-blockbuster rant in the Infinity War thread, but I thought this was a harmless good time. I don't have any particular desire to rewatch it, but I thought it was fun for two hours and there wasn't much wrong with it. Ehrenreich was pretty good on his own, although I had a hard time buying him as playing the same character as Ford. Donald Glover as Lando was good and the best of the cast. The action scenes mostly worked really great, particularly the opening chase and the fight at the end. I thought it did a much better job incorporating classic SW themes in it's score than Rogue One, the other non-Williams SW score. The gripes were mostly just little things that were annoying. They went a little heavy on the cutesy fan references and "that's how x happened" moments. The "that's how Han got his name" scene was lame and unnecessary. Everything the comic relief droid said or did made my eyes roll out of my head. And of course- Darth Maul showing up was a "WTF" moment. Who thought that was a good idea? I've never watched Game of Thrones before so I'd never seen Emilia Clarke in anything. Oh my god, she's so pretty. I kinda liked the romantic sub-plot. For the new SW films I'd put it second to Last Jedi. Rogue One was a trainwreck, IMO, and Force Awakens was pretty bad whenever Ford wasn't on screen to carry the movie.
|
|