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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 19:48:26 GMT
Lynch delivers. Another great episode.
Next Sunday and that's it. What a ride it has been.
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Post by Archie on Aug 28, 2017 20:19:51 GMT
COOP IS BACK BAYBAY!
Thank you Lynch. Thank you for everything.
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Post by JangoB on Aug 29, 2017 7:20:55 GMT
This series is a gift that keeps on giving. I genuinely cannot believe that next week will be the last time I'll come home after work (and after a week of anticipation) and see a fresh episode of the new Twin Peaks. How can that be? Where did all that time since the end of May go? I will miss it so much. And holy fuck, what a masterpiece of an episode Good to have you back, Coop. You remind me today of a small Mexican Chiwawow. I LOVE THIS SEASON, IT'S THE BEST THING EVER MANUFACTURED BY A BEING
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Post by JangoB on Aug 29, 2017 8:19:47 GMT
Also, what if all the random Roadhouse scenes and performances were just Audrey's visions? Wouldn't that be something
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Post by chris3 on Aug 29, 2017 8:26:35 GMT
"I am the FBI" is one of the most cathartic moments I've ever witnessed in a movie or TV show ever.
This episode just proved the pure brilliance of this season's unconventional structure. So OG Twin Peaks had elements of danger, surrealism, and outright horror throughout, but it was all perfectly balanced with charm and earnestness. This almost boy-scout conviction in honesty and righteousness was perfectly embodied by Dale Cooper, the center of the show, the heart of the show. Fire Walk With Me famously abandoned this fundamental element. Some think this was a brilliant decision (like me), others strongly feel like this resulted in an imbalanced, almost nihilistic film. The Return has continued where FWWM left off and crafted a journey that was even colder and less charming than the nightmarish film. We now see how deliberate that decision was. The town of Twin Peaks (and America itself) has grown sick, alien, and unforgiving. One of the primary overarching themes of this season has been about a cultural spiritual crisis. Frost/Lynch have taken a surprisingly meta approach to the narrative, and in trying to convey this spiritual crisis have actively sought to alienate and frustrate fans that expected a return to the nostalgic, comforting charm of the original. The world has changed and we needed to feel that longing for righteousness, honesty, and kindness that OG Twin Peaks so often provided. We needed to wait with feverish impatience for Eagle Scout Coop to return and tell us that everything was going to be all right.
By this point in the series I was convinced Lynch was entirely uninterested in evoking the warmth, charm, and comfort of OG Twin Peaks. I had accepted that Coop might return, but not in the way we remembered him and certainly not before the final hour. I had welcomed the fact that Lynch was essentially giving us a career retrospective instead of a traditional Twin Peaks revival. So imagine my profound euphoria when the Coop we know and love not only returns, but with a f**king VENGEANCE. And what does he do in his first few scenes? He treats people with love, respect, honesty, and warmth, and we the audience are emotionally BLIND-SIDED by this earnestness and righteousness. We didn't realize how much we needed this common decency that Cooper represents (both in the show and in the actual real world we live in). We finally have our hero back, we have the ideals the show holds dear back, and thus NOW is the time that Twin Peaks TRULY returns. The warmth, the heart, the soul, the music. It's all classic, unabashedly old-school Twin Peaks, and it feels so much more damn rewarding because we've fully earned it. David Lynch is a F**KING GENIUS and this show is one of the most satisfying artistic accomplishments I've ever had the extreme privilege to experience.
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Post by Viced on Aug 31, 2017 21:22:40 GMT
Caught up the other night after missing a few episodes, and holy shit........ Cooper's return is really one of the GOAT moments in television history. The Return has had some great moments, but that shit was on another level. I love[d] Dougie, but god damn is it great to have Cooper back. And Kyle MacLachlan really cannot be praised enough... after 25 years and 15+ hours of (brilliantly) playing two other characters, his wake up back into Cooper was unbelievably seamless.
The season has had its ups and downs for me, but that kind of shit is was I live for. Cathartic indeed.
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Post by ingmarhepburn on Sept 3, 2017 14:46:14 GMT
Enjoying my Sunday at home to see all the remaining episodes of the show... Started on episode 10... I saw it while I was having lunch and almost choked in my food for three times. That fly hunt scene, Dougie's face while having sex immediately followed by Dr. Jacobi's hilarious radio programme made me cry from laughing so hard.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 2:04:36 GMT
Part 17 was so incredible that I actually cried. I never in a million years thought there would ever be another Twin Peaks episode that could rival the Season 2 finale in terms of the emotional impact it had on me. Wow, I was so, so wrong. Sincerely one of the most astoundingly powerful and perfect things I’ve ever seen. I know I probably sound like I'm over exaggerating, but...I'm not.
Part 18 went in a very unexpected direction, and will be one I’ll have to really ponder before being able to fairly say much about it. I really, really liked it, but didn’t understand much at all on first watch. I’m sure I’ll enjoy it even more when it “clicks”. That final shot was haunting.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Sept 4, 2017 2:08:51 GMT
Part 17 was absolutely terrific and would have made for a perfect finale. Part 18 was...interesting, in the usual "huh, what the fuck is happening?" way. What about Audrey, though? The ending of Part 16 really intrigued me for what was about to happen, then it was never followed up on.
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Post by Viced on Sept 4, 2017 2:19:36 GMT
Part 17: Part 18:
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Post by DeepArcher on Sept 4, 2017 3:40:26 GMT
And I thought I'd seen it all. Of course, Lynch hadn't revealed his entire bizarro deck of cards to us yet; in fact, he kept laying down an increasing amount of new ones for two straight hours. The first half of "Part 17" more or less took the exact course that I was expecting from the finale, and that police station showdown was as glorious as I'd hoped it would be after all that build-up. Hell, that's underselling it; it was off-the-wall bonkers in ways unexpected, one of the most satisfying sequences...ever. And then Cooper turns that darn key and we wander down a Lynchian rabbit hole that is somehow like no other. Cooper returns to a black-and-white Fire Walk with Me, an idealist desperately trying to change the past, something it would seem he's unable to do. Julee Cruise's beautiful "The World Spins" music cue isn't so much here to remind us, "It is happening again," but perhaps, "It will always happen." (But then again, perhaps Cooper *did* succeed, but to the point that he more or less erased her from existence entirely, in which case we're left with a, "It will never happen," or something.)
And then Cooper's doppelgänger returns to the Black Lodge, Dougie returns home, and Cooper and Diane return to each other. And then the latter duo take a drive somewhere, and once again stumble down yet *another* Lynchian rabbit hole that is still somehow like nothing else he's ever done. The approach to "Part 18" honestly reminded me of the finale of The Leftovers, in its barren atmosphere and the whole lost, meandering soul angle it took, two people connecting after many years past, yet the memories seem all but faded. A Dale Cooper who walks and talks like an inferior version of his former, "perfect" self lives in a post-Twin Peaks world, one in which the diners are gloomy and empty and populated with scumbags, one in which the name "Laura Palmer" is somehow not even recognized. What we're left with is a final 90-minutes or so of a hopeless hero who desperately seems to think Laura Palmer is still alive, or at least can still be saved. Is this what Laura whispered to him? Is he so hung up on what Leland told him? The frustration coming from Cooper's final utterance is as heartbreaking as it is mind-bending. Is it future, or is it past?
Regardless, I still hope there's more to this story. The biggest question hung up on my mind isn't so much, "What year is it?", as it is, "In which year will we get more?" Lynch and Frost left so many loose threads dangling that it must have been deliberate. While not satisfying in the way I was expecting, that finale was glorious, an epic odyssey of prime Lynch working in top-form and then some. I really hope this epic saga isn't over, but if it is, that sure was one hell of a send-off.
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Post by pessimusreincarnated on Sept 4, 2017 4:56:13 GMT
I DVR'd the finale and ended up accidentally watching 18 before 17.
My shit has been thoroughly fucked up.
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Post by getclutch on Sept 4, 2017 5:47:37 GMT
Is it future or is it past?
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Post by chris3 on Sept 4, 2017 7:47:15 GMT
So we got to have our cake and eat it too. If you wanted a fitting conclusion to the whole series, parts 15 to 17 were an immensely satisfying experience. And if you wanted Lynch to mic drop his career with the most baffling bit yet of WTF insanity, you got that too. Can't write all my million thoughts down right now, but the Twin Peaks fan in me is elated by that ending with Coop and Laura in part 17, and the Lynch fan in me is blown away by the subversive mindfuck that was part 18.
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Post by moonman157 on Sept 4, 2017 10:07:12 GMT
Best season of tv ever confirmed. No idea what happened in ep 18 but those final moments contained a chilling summation of a legacy of abuse that left deep scars.
The main question is whether this will go down as the best thing Lynch ever produced.
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Post by ingmarhepburn on Sept 4, 2017 12:12:19 GMT
So, I saw all the episodes from 10 to 16 yesterday. Fascinating, compelling and intriguing. The more I saw, the more involved I became and the more perplexed I was as I began to understand more and more about the story and the characters. The scene where Big Ed proposes to Norma (episode 15) made me cry, not only because of how beautiful it was, but also because, to me, that was when I first became aware that the show was coming to an end... Today I saw the two final episodes. Part 17 blew me away. It might be my favorite episode after Part 8. From the moment when evil Coop arrives to Twin Peaks Sheriff's station, I couldn't stay still in my chair and was literally biting my nails with anticipation. That fight between Freddie and Bob was epic. Part 18 was extremely slow and halfway through it it began to frustrate me because nothing seemed to happen. And then Laura appears, but wait, is it really her? And then that ending...
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Post by getclutch on Sept 4, 2017 12:45:52 GMT
It somewhat seemed like Jeffries of 25 some odd years ago and modern day Cooper were on the same page unless of course Jeffries is a figment of Richard's dream. Lynch left us some serious clues yet to piece together.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 14:07:30 GMT
The main question is whether this will go down as the best thing Lynch ever produced. It's up there. I would definitely say it's the most epic.
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Post by ingmarhepburn on Sept 4, 2017 14:47:40 GMT
So why was Audrey even in the show...? I would be more bothered if she wasn't in the show, but I can understand why some fans might be puzzled. It's hard to imagine the Audrey Horne that we know from seasons 1 and 2 stuck in an unhappy marriage.
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Post by harlequinade on Sept 4, 2017 15:53:50 GMT
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Sept 4, 2017 16:18:36 GMT
So, theories on the ending?
I've heard everything: parallel universes, it's Laura's dream and the ending is her waking up on the day she would have been found wrapped in plastic, a meta-commentary on the audience's current appetites for reboots and recycling ideas from the past, Sarah is Judy and the ending is a reality of Judy's design, Judy is "jiāo dài" which is Chinese for "to explain" so Lynch is in a way saying that the need for explanation is the ultimate negative force in the universe ("we're not going to talk about Judy"), etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 17:01:38 GMT
So, theories on the ending? I've heard everything: parallel universes, it's Laura's dream and the ending is her waking up on the day she would have been found wrapped in plastic, a meta-commentary on the audience's current appetites for reboots and recycling ideas from the past, Sarah is Judy and the ending is a reality of Judy's design, Judy is "jiāo dài" which is Chinese for "to explain" so Lynch is in a way saying that the need for explanation is the ultimate negative force in the universe ("we're not going to talk about Judy"), etc. I definitely don't think it's "meta" anything. Lynch doesn't care about that shit. Here's my (very) rough interpretation after only a single viewing and one night to sleep on it - The doppelganger's intention was to meet with Sarah in Twin Peaks, who had part of "Mother" inside of her. Mother/Judy prevented Cooper from saving Laura in the black and white sequence at the end of Part 17. She still dies. Cooper doesn't accept this and tries to go back with Diane to make things "right" - their uncomfortable sex scene seems more like a ritual neither of them really want to take part in rather than passion, and this turns Cooper into "Richard" and Diane into "Linda". I'm unclear on whether "Richard" is still "Good Cooper" or a mix of "Good Cooper" and something darker or more empty. I'm leaning towards the latter. Anyways, he finds who he hopes to be Laura, but she is also displaced - just as Cooper is now "Richard", she is now "Carrie". "Richard's" plan fails when it is revealed that the Palmer house isn't really the Palmer house in this world. He's trapped in some sort of weird limbo (that Judy/Mother likely created to keep Laura "dead", as BOB was defeated) with "Carrie", who appears to hear Sarah calling for her/Laura on the morning she was found dead. OPTIMISTICALLY, this means that Cooper actually did manage to prevent Laura's murder in the "real" world (assuming Carrie's scream is Laura waking up), changing a shit ton of what ends up playing out in Twin Peaks. However, "Richard" is trapped in this other dimension...forever, probably. Judy's a tough son of a bitch. Laura ultimately still suffered what she went through, and that can NEVER be erased, whether she ends up killed or not. There's a ton of ways to read these last two episodes though and I'm sure my mind will change about some things as I think about them more.
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Post by moonman157 on Sept 4, 2017 18:37:25 GMT
I'm mostly processing the emotional content of the finale rather than diving deep into the narrative complexities.
I think one of the most important parts of the finale is that we are forced to reevaluate our understanding of Dale Cooper. He has transformed from the person 25 years ago who we saw as an irrepressibly optimistic manifestation of honour and nobility into a being who apparently has some kind of supernatural powers and is naive in his excessively prideful belief that he can right wrongs of the past. By trying to give Laura catharsis in leading her to reconnect with her mother he actually drags her emotionally back through her old trauma, he reawakens her horrifying struggle and inadvertently forces her to experience it anew.
The transition in "Carrie's" face from a woman confused into a terrified teenager is one of the saddest, most haunting images I've ever seen.
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Post by Joaquim on Sept 4, 2017 21:12:21 GMT
Just needs to be reiterated that this is the best TV show of all time.
I need another season of this, I really really do.
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Post by moonman157 on Sept 4, 2017 21:23:18 GMT
Just needs to be reiterated that this is the best TV show of all time. I need another season of this, I really really do. Agreed completely with the first part. I feel the need for another season too but I think this was basically the perfect ending to the series.
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