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Post by DeepArcher on Oct 9, 2017 16:08:31 GMT
Let's tackle this Red_Identity style.
Which is better?: Direction: Scott or Villeneuve? Script? Ensemble? Ford (BR) or Gosling? Young or Armas? Hauer or Hoeks? Cinematography? Atmosphere? Editing? Score? Production design? Costumes? Sound design? Visual effects?
Overall?
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Post by notacrook on Oct 9, 2017 16:22:19 GMT
Direction: Scott or Villeneuve? Villeneuve, but they're both amazingly directed Script? Blade Runner Ensemble? Blade Runner 2049 Ford (BR) or Gosling? Gosling Young or Armas? Armas Hauer or Hoeks? Hauer, but that's fucking tough Cinematography? Blade Runner 2049 Atmosphere? Blade Runner Editing? Blade Runner 2049 Score? Blade Runner Production design? Blade Runner 2049 Costumes? Blade Runner 2049 Sound design? Blade Runner 2049 Visual effects? Blade Runner 2049
Overall? They're both great films, but I personally preferred 2049.
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Post by DeepArcher on Oct 9, 2017 16:32:23 GMT
Direction: Scott or Villeneuve? This is a really challenging one for me that I could see myself flip-flopping on for years. For now, I have to say Scott. I prefer the dreary and nebulous vision he brought to the universe slightly more than Villeneuve's approach. It's close, though. I'll have to analyze the subtleties in Villeneuve's work with more re-watches before I can make a final judgment.
Script? Blade Runner 2049. Blade Runner took a good book and made it into a great screenplay. But there's something about the epic scale of BR49 that appeals to me just a bit more from a narrative standpoint. It's one of those scripts that's able to complicate itself without over-complicating itself, and that's so rare to find. Not to mention, BR49 might have some stronger characters overall, particularly when comparing Joe to Deckard.
Ensemble? Blade Runner 2049. Another painstakingly close one, but there are definitely more cast members in BR49 who left an impact on me than in BR. Everyone is perfectly cast in the original film, but collectively, the group doesn't floor me as much as the one from BR49. Also, Ford is better in the sequel.
Ford (BR) or Gosling? I've always contended with the criticisms against Ford's work in BR. He has that perfect noir hero dryness and a fantastic sense of the emotional distance that so well-defines the film's world. Gosling, though, went to the next level; some of the best work I've seen from him, in one of the most emotionally complex and nuanced performances from a film in recent years. Ford is good, but Gosling is straight-up incredible.
Young or Armas? Close as hell. I love both of them, and similarly they both miss a few beats here and there. Still, as much as I enjoyed Joi's presence, the concept behind the character, and the way that Armas so perfectly fit the bill, it's pretty hard to top Sean Young's vulnerable work as Rachael.
Hauer or Hoeks? Hoeks is the unsung hero of BR49, but for me, this isn't even a question. Hauer's performance is one of those that somehow gets even better with each new viewing of the film. Roy Batty is one of the best villains in film history, and he wouldn't be so without Hauer's unbridled energy, and his seamless blend of eeriness with profound sentimentality.
Cinematography? Blade Runner 2049. It should come as no surprise that Deakins reigns supreme here. Jordan Cronenworth does some absolutely transfixing work with the shadows, but Deakins does that and so much more. Brilliant compositions permeate this entire film, and Deakins' camera couldn't realize this universe more beautifully.
Atmosphere? Blade Runner. Scott's sense of setting can really not be matched. Expecting Villeneuve to be able to do that with his film was always unreasonable, hence my pleasure with the fact that he took his own approach instead of trying to carbon-copy what Ridley did. Because that simply cannot be done. There are few films that force me into living within their setting like Blade Runner does. It's magical stuff.
Editing? Blade Runner 2049. I love Blade Runner to death, but that movie has a handful of the most bizarre cuts ever. Even with Scott's perfected version of the film, it still feels messy here and there. BR49 is put together in such a crisp way, that it makes a 2hr 40min running time flow as smoothly as the more contained original film. There's some badass transitions throughout, too.
Score? Blade Runner. Duh. I think Zimmer and what's-his-name did a fine job, but it's no coincidence that the best tracks on their OST were the ones that re-worked Vangelis' score. It's just too good to ignore.
Production design? Blade Runner. Part of me wants to give this to BR49 simply for its variation, and I may change my mind on this over-time, but I've always considered Blade Runner's to be my favorite set design of all time. Everything looks so perfectly lived-in and worn-down. Impeccable work.
Costumes? Blade Runner 2049. Anything with a cool Ryan Gosling jacket is gonna be better in this department than anything without one.
Sound design? Blade Runner. One of the biggest factors that sets these two works apart is that Scott's L.A. is always alive with the sounds of the streets. As best I can remember, Villeneuve never achieves this same impact. The original wins this one.
Visual effects? Blade Runner 2049. Those hologram sequences speak for themselves. Three days later, and I'm still transfixed.
Overall? Blade Runner. A movie that I've seen one time three days ago isn't going to beat out my second favorite film of all-time. That should go without saying. If it ages well, there's a chance that BR49 may match BR in terms of my personal preference. But for now, it's those little things that still set apart the original for me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 16:36:49 GMT
Direction: Scott Script? Original Ensemble? Original Ford (BR) or Gosling? Ford Young or Armas? Young Hauer or Hoeks? Hauer Cinematography? 2049 Atmosphere? Original Editing? 2049 Score? Original Production design? 2049 Costumes? Original Sound design? 2049 Visual effects? 2049
Overall? Original
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Post by no on Oct 9, 2017 16:48:10 GMT
Which is better?: Direction: Scott or Villeneuve? VilleneuveScript? Blade RunnerEnsemble? Blade RunnerFord (BR) or Gosling? FordYoung or Armas? YoungHauer or Hoeks? HauerCinematography? 2049Atmosphere? Blade RunnerEditing? 2049Score? Blade RunnerProduction design? 2049 Costumes? Blade RunnerSound design? 2049Visual effects? 2049Overall? Blade Runner
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Post by stephen on Oct 9, 2017 17:07:08 GMT
Direction: Christ, this one's tough. I'm inclined to say Villeneuve, if only because I feel he had stronger control over every aspect than Scott, whose incredibly immersive world still has deficiencies in its writing that he can't entirely paper over. But both are tremendous.
Script: This one's no competition. 2049 has the richer story that nevertheless feels more personal despite its scope.
Ensemble: Tougher, but I'm gonna say 2049.
Ford/Gosling: Definitely Gosling. Ford's kind of the reason why I didn't list the original film's ensemble higher. He's fine, but Gosling does so much more.
Young/Armas: Armas. Young's not bad, but Armas wowed me.
Hauer/Hoeks: It's closer than one might expect, but Hauer takes it over anyone.
Cinematography: Sorry, Jordan, but you're up against the Deak at his absolute peak. 2049.
Atmosphere: Hmm, both are impeccable and complement each other so well, but I'll throw a bone toward the original.
Editing: Definitely 2049. It felt brisker and more evenly paced than its predecessor, despite being over a half-hour longer.
Score: I can't really choose. Vangelis's score is iconic, but I am addicted to the "Sea Wall" track from 2049 and the rest ain't shabby, either. I'll say Vangelis for now.
Production Design: Tie.
Costumes: 2049 because Harrison's shirts in the original are not great, Bob.
Sound design: 2049.
Visual Effects: I wanna call it a tie, because I think both were groundbreaking.
Overall: Blade Runner 2049. It's very much The Godfather: Part II to the OG.
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Post by thomasjerome on Oct 9, 2017 17:12:32 GMT
Direction: Scott or Villeneuve? This one is so tough, so I'm gonna say tie. Script? 2049 Ensemble? 2049 Ford (BR) or Gosling? Gosling Young or Armas? Young Hauer or Hoeks? Hauer Cinematography? 2049 Atmosphere? Original Editing? 2049 Score? Original Production design? 2049 Costumes? Original Sound design? 2049 Visual effects? 2049
Overall? Blade Runner 2049
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Post by Sharbs on Oct 9, 2017 17:17:50 GMT
Direction: Scott or Villeneuve? Villeneuve Script? Blade Runner Ensemble? Blade Runner 2049 Ford (BR) or Gosling? Gosling Young or Armas? Armas Hauer or Hoeks? Hauer, both absolutely amazing Cinematography? Blade Runner 2049 Atmosphere? Blade Runner Editing? Blade Runner 2049 Score? Blade Runner Production design? Blade Runner 2049 Costumes? Blade Runner 2049 Sound design? Blade Runner 2049 Visual effects? Blade Runner 2049
Overall? Close, but Blade Runner
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Oct 9, 2017 17:21:30 GMT
Haven't seen 2049 yet, but I'm surprised people seem to be giving it the nod for production design since I always thought of that as being the original's biggest strength. Hell, I've only seen the original maybe a handful of times but I couldn't begin to tell you how often I've seen this:
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Post by quetee on Oct 9, 2017 19:07:03 GMT
Let's tackle this Red_Identity style. Which is better?: Direction: Scott or Villeneuve? Villeneuve Script? Blade Runner 2049 Ensemble? Blade Runner Ford (BR) or Gosling? Gosling Young or Armas? Young Hauer or Hoeks? Hauer Cinematography? Blade Runner 2049 Atmosphere? Blade Runner Editing? Blade Runner 2049 Score? Blade Runner Production design? Blade Runner Costumes? Blade Runner 2049 Sound design? Blade Runner 2049 Visual effects? Blade Runner 2049 - still trippin on Sean Young Overall? Blade Runner - only because I like the romance angle. but Blade Runner 2049 has one of my favorite moments: final scene of Ford.
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Post by Pavan on Oct 9, 2017 19:16:56 GMT
Which is better?: Direction: Scott or Villeneuve? Scott Script? 2049 Ensemble? 2049 Ford (BR) or Gosling? Ford but it's close Young or Armas? Young but i liked Armas too Hauer or Hoeks? Hauer Cinematography? 2049 Atmosphere? Blade Runner Editing? After a re-watch i felt 2049 is edited better Score? Blade Runner Production design? Blade Runner Costumes? 2049 Sound design? 2049 Visual effects? 2049
Overall? Blade Runner for now
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Post by ibbi on Oct 9, 2017 20:08:53 GMT
Going with the final cut as the comparison, yes? Direction: Scott or Villeneuve? -- Ridley Script? -- Final Cut Ensemble? -- Hmm... Tough, I guess 2049 might edge it. Ford (BR) or Gosling? -- Gosling probably edges this. Very well cast. Young or Armas? -- Armas Hauer or Hoeks? -- The highlights, but gotta go with Hauer. Cinematography? -- 2049 Atmosphere? -- Final Cut Editing? -- Final Cut Score? -- Final Cut Production design? -- Final Cut Costumes? -- 2049 Sound design? -- Final Cut by a thousand miles. Visual effects? -- Hmmmmmmmmmmm... I mean it's tough to compare them considering they're operating on total different plains of existence, but the way the original holds up is remarkable, so I'll go with that. Overall? Final Cut
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Post by FrancescoAbides on Oct 9, 2017 20:42:05 GMT
Direction: Scott or Villeneuve? Villeneuve, but tough call Script? Blade Runner 2049 Ensemble? Blade Runner 2049 Ford (BR) or Gosling? Gosling Young or Armas? Armas Hauer or Hoeks? Hauer Cinematography? Blade Runner 2049, Deakins' greatest work Atmosphere? Blade Runner Editing? Blade Runner 2049 Score? Blade Runner Production design? Blade Runner 2049 Costumes? Blade Runner 2049 Sound design? Blade Runner 2049 Visual effects? Blade Runner 2049
Overall? Blade Runner 2049 but both are 10/10 for me, and two of the greatest films I have ever seen. God bless Villeneuve.
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Post by DeepArcher on Oct 10, 2017 1:46:54 GMT
Going with the final cut as the comparison, yes? The Final Cut is the only version I recognize
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Post by JangoB on Oct 10, 2017 9:04:00 GMT
Direction: SCOTT Script? BR Ensemble? 2049 Ford (BR) or Gosling? GOSLING Young or Armas? YOUNG Hauer or Hoeks? HAUER Cinematography? 2049 Atmosphere? BR Editing? 2049 Score? BR Production design? BR Costumes? BR Sound design? 2049 Visual effects? BR
Overall? BR
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Oct 10, 2017 17:21:57 GMT
Direction: Scott or Villeneuve? Villenueve Script? 2049 Ensemble? 2049 Ford (BR) or Gosling? Ford Young or Armas? Armas Hauer or Hoeks? Hauer. Cinematography? 2049 Atmosphere? 2049 Editing? 2049 Score? BR Production design? BR Costumes? BR Sound design? 2049 Visual effects? BR
Overall? BR2049
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Post by jimmalone on Oct 16, 2017 14:51:33 GMT
Let's tackle this Red_Identity style. Which is better?: Direction: Scott or Villeneuve? Close, I say Villeneuve Script? Close again, but Blade Runner 2049 Ensemble? Blade Runner 2049 Ford (BR) or Gosling? Ford Young or Armas? Armas Hauer or Hoeks? Hauer Cinematography? Blade Runner 2049 Atmosphere? Blade Runner Editing? Blade Runner 2049 Score? Blade Runner Production design? Blade Runner Costumes? Blade Runner 2049 Sound design? Blade Runner 2049 Visual effects? Blade Runner 2049 Overall? Blade Runner 2049
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Post by eliuson on Oct 16, 2017 15:24:51 GMT
Blade Runner for all.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 16, 2018 16:18:36 GMT
Direction: Scott or Villeneuve?
Even putting aside that Villeneuve is working on the shoulders of Scott's achievement, I think that Scott's work is dripping with greater neo-noir atmosphere that is to me a primary reason why the original stands out.
Script?
2049, easily. I like the original a lot and think the stuff with Batty is arguably the strongest material in either film, but for a good bit of the film we're kinda just cycling through watching Deckard get his ass whooped by a replicant and then go back home to look sad. Rinse and repeat. What 2049 does narratively is way more interesting without compromising thematic depth, and I'd say it does more to deepen not only its protagonist but also Deckard as well.
Ensemble?
This is tough. I think 2049 has more standout performances, so I'll go with that.
Ford (BR) or Gosling?
Ford is solid, but Gosling is terrific.
Young or Armas?
Armas. Young is quite good and her presence adds a good bit to the original, but Armas took an insanely difficult role and was simply perfect. I never thought much of her as an actress beforehand but what she did with Joi is on par with Hauer's work in the original to me.
Hauer or Hoeks?
Speaking of Hauer, of course he takes this.
Cinematography?
2049, for sure. Deakins, man, Jesus Christ.
Atmosphere?
Already said this before, but it's the original here.
Editing?
2049 was 164 minutes but never once dragged to me. If anything, I would've been fine with it going another half-hour longer.
Score?
The original, for sure. I liked the score for 2049, but I'm a sucker for Vangelis' synths.
Production design?
I'll say the original for how it established the cyberpunk aesthetic and how that world really elevates the themes of the film, but damn if that Vegas set in 2049 wasn't one of the most marvelous things I've seen in a film in quite some time.
Costumes?
Eh, I'll say the original for some of the iconic looks and how lived-in it all felt.
Sound design?
2049, easily.
Visual effects?
2049. Both break new ground, but even within the context of the special effects of the time I'm still more impressed with what 2049 did.
Overall?
2049.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jun 16, 2018 17:30:57 GMT
Which is better?: Blade Runner. As much as I love 2046 now, I've loved (at least the Director's Cut and on) BR for over 10 years now... hard to compare to it just yet. Direction: Scott or Villeneuve? There are quite a few 80's-isms that get to me, so 2046 here. Script? Man. One's a great noir and the other's a great sci-fi. I'm gonna give the nod to the noir here. I like it's simplicity a bit more. Ensemble? 2046. Ford (BR) or Gosling? Gosling. Love Ford as Deckard, but Gosling's just a stronger actor. Young or Armas? lol. Armas. Hauer or Hoeks? Hauer. Cinematography? 2046 is just beautiful. Atmosphere? BR. Editing? 2046. Score? 2046 (though this is kind of unfair since a lot of their tracks borrow from the best of the original's). Production design? 2046. Costumes? They're both basically the same. Maybe BR has a more "punk" feel and 2046 is more reserved... but basically the same level. Sound design? I honestly don't pay much attention to sound categories unless it really gets me going (ie. The Conversation). Visual effects? 2046... but again, kind of unfair when it has 35 years of innovation between the two.
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Post by Miles Morales on Jun 16, 2018 17:50:21 GMT
Direction: Scott or Villeneuve? Man this is difficult, as both have incredible direction. I'll pick Scott, but only by a hair. Script? 2049 Ensemble? 2049, quite easily. Ford (BR) or Gosling? Gosling Young or Armas? Armas Hauer or Hoeks? Hauer. Hoeks is great, but not at the same level as Hauer. Cinematography? 2049 wins this fair and square. Atmosphere? The original Editing? 2049's editing is pitch perfect. Score? The original by a good distance. 2049 has a really good score, but nothing comes close to this:
Production design? Another tough choice. I'll go for a tie. Costumes? The original Sound design? 2049 Visual effects? The original due to the fact that the visual effects still look impressive 36 years later. Overall? Both are fantastic films with very little difference in quality. I'll pick the original Blade Runner by a slight margin.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 18:15:03 GMT
Direction: Scott Script: Blade Runner Ensemble: Blade Runner Ford Armas Hauer Cinematography: 2049 Atmosphere: Blade Runner Editing: Blade Runner Score: Blade Runner Production Design: 2049 Costumes: 2049 Sound Design: 2049 Visual Effects: 2049
Overall: Blade Runner
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Post by Zeb31 on Jun 16, 2018 18:25:07 GMT
Which is better? Both are great, but 2049. Direction: Scott or Villeneuve? Again, both commendable achievements, but I'll give Scott the edge. Script? 2049. Expanded on the themes and universe of the original with aplomb. Ensemble? 2049. Ford (BR) or Gosling? Gosling. Young or Armas? Armas. Hauer or Hoeks? Hauer. Cinematography? 2049. Holy fuck. Atmosphere? Tie. Editing? 2049. Almost a whole hour longer than the original, but much better paced. Like Mike said, I'd have gladly sat through another 30 minutes. Score? Blade Runner. Production design? Tie. Costumes? Another tie. Sound design? I'll abstain. Visual effects? 2049.
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Post by bob-coppola on Jun 16, 2018 19:24:41 GMT
Direction: Scott or Villeneuve? Difficult to choose, but I'll go with Villeneuve because he got to do his own way, unlike Scott who took many years and different cuts to find his definitive voice.
Script? 2049. It expands and deepens the themes the original movie and the novel introduce, and actually goes further and updates it. The hero is more nuanced and more characters are fleshed out.
Ensemble? 2049, and the somewhat superior screenplay is fundamental in this. The characters are more fleshed out, so the actors have more room to act. But in both movies, everyone's perfectly cast.
Ford (BR) or Gosling? Gosling, for the same reasons as above.
Young or Armas? Young is just iconic. Armas was a very good surprise and never ceased to amaze me and make me realize my assumptions on her character were wrong. But Young's vulnerability resonates more.
Hauer or Hoeks? Hauer, but it's so neck-to-neck that I reckon it could be because his character is more nuanced. Hoeks is a great villain, but she just doesn't have that scene like the "tears in rain" one.
Cinematography? Tie. I can't choose 'cause they're aiming for two different things, and succeed perfectly at their respective goals. BR goes for futuristic noir, while 2049 emulates Tarkovsky. Both are flawless approachs and beautiful to look at.
Atmosphere? Very close, but I'll give the edge to 2049 because it allows itself to be a more slow-paced, philosophical sci-fi. BR is also that, but I feel like it sometimes tries to pander into a more action-packed narrative to be a profitable blockbuster.
Editing? BR. The final cut is perfect in its pacing. I love 2049 and I wouldn't cut anything from it, but it drags sometimes.
Score? BR. Tears in Rain and the love theme are iconic.
Production design? 2049, but again because they go harder and explore more the settings.
Costumes? 2049, but that's more because the whole universe is more fleshed out.
Sound design? 2049.
Visual effects? 2049. I mean, the three-way sex scene alone is one of the most breathtaking things I've ever seen.
Overall? 2049, but because they took an extra step and develop/go further into the very interesting universe from one of the best sci-fi movies in history, and the way they expand it is very exciting and all but disappointing.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 18, 2018 11:48:55 GMT
Which is better?: 2049 Direction: Scott or Villeneuve? 2049 Script? 2049 Ensemble? 2049 Ford (BR) or Gosling? Gosling Young or Armas? Armas Hauer or Hoeks? Hauer Cinematography? 2049 Atmosphere? Blade Runner Editing? 2049 Score? Blade Runner Production design? 2049 Costumes? Blade Runner Sound design? 2049 Visual effects? 2049
11-4 to 2049, which I much prefer for sure.
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