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Post by TerryMontana on Jan 31, 2019 18:06:02 GMT
Great posts, Leo!!! I have no worries about the two giants trying and giving the best they have. Especially De Niro, as you said, fought really hard for this to happen. To happen the way he and Scorsese wanted it from the start. Honestly, with all the (mainly financial) problems they faced during the last decade in pre-production, I don't think this movie would have happened if it wasn't for Bobby D and Marty. And Netflix, later, of course. What I worry about is the de-aging thing. Probably 80% or even 90% of the film will have the three leads digitally de-aged. And that's way too much cgi "applied" in real human faces. And by the way, if Pesci hadn't been cast, Scorsese would have gone with a much younger actor for Buffalino's part. In most of Pesci\s scenes there's going to be digital effects making him look younger.
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Jan 31, 2019 22:11:16 GMT
Thanks Terry, very kind of you!
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Feb 1, 2019 23:44:51 GMT
Nothing to do with The Irishman, but still, it's good to see Pesci after all those years (nice commercial too).
And yes, he nailed it!
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Post by quetee on Feb 2, 2019 0:38:00 GMT
Nothing to do with The Irishman, but still, it's good to see Pesci after all those years (nice commercial too). And yes, he nailed it! wow, they got him to do that? I feel like it has been since forever since I've seen him.
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Feb 3, 2019 0:35:36 GMT
Yes, that Snickers ad, I liked that. I wonder how many people recognized Pesci in this Google spot. He's been away a long time, and obviously aged quite a bit, still looking fine though. There's probably a little bit of vanity involved, with his "natural" hair color and so (like Pacino's đ). He also turned down the Alan Alda part in Horace and Pete, and apart from those Hollywood golf things he really shunned the spotlight for the most part. He was at the premiere of The Wolf of Wall Street and Jonah Hill has a story about that: Then there was that earlier version of Gotti, directed by Levinson with a script from James Toback, also with Pacino, and the litigation that followed. I especially liked his appearance with De Niro at the The Guys' Choice Awards. If De Niro is ever going to do another comedy (and we all know he will), he should do a buddy movie with Pesci. They're great fun together, always have been.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 3, 2019 0:51:22 GMT
Yes, that Snickers ad, I liked that. I wonder how many people recognized Pesci in this Google spot. He's been away a long time, and obviously aged quite a bit, still looking fine though. There's probably a little bit of vanity involved, with his "natural" hair color and so (like Pacino's đ). He also turned down the Alan Alda part in Horace and Pete, and apart from those Hollywood golf things he really shunned the spotlight for the most part. He was at the premiere of The Wolf of Wall Street and Jonah Hill has a story about that: Then there was that earlier version of Gotti, directed by Levinson with a script from James Toback, also with Pacino, and the litigation that followed. I especially liked his appearance with De Niro at the The Guys' Choice Awards. If De Niro is ever going to do another comedy (and we all know he will), he should do a buddy movie with Pesci. They're great fun together, always have been. How is DeNiro such a wonderfully gifted actor but when he reads off a teleprompter, it's like watching you nephew recite the ABC's?
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Feb 3, 2019 1:42:15 GMT
That's so true đŹ
He's the worst. Everytime he makes a public appearance and delivers a speech you start to bite your nails and hope he gets through it alive...
Honestly, he's my favorite actor, but it's cringe-inducing.
Also, his interviews are obviously the stuff of legends nowadays. The best description of De Niro talking I ever came across of was this:
Still, those two together are a lot of fun, and in the clip above, they're acting like something out of Abbott and Costello. I recently rewatched Raging Bull, and they have great chemistry together and there's always a certain screwball comedy vibe going on when they share the screen. Like when they're entering the Copacabana and hide behind that giant pot plant. đ
Plus, they have serious affection for one another, which I find very touching. But I also can be pretty sentimental, so...
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Feb 5, 2019 17:34:36 GMT
Jane Rosenthal in Forbes:
Probably going to be released at the end of the year (this year obviously), so no Cannes I guess (which I think is the right thing to do). And on the title: I guess that Forbes person got it wrong, she probably mentioned both titles and they wrote it that way. It's certainly not going to be named The Irishman: I Heard You Paint Houses, that would be more than stupid. We know Scorsese/De Niro want it to be called 'I Heard...', but the Netflix guys almost cerainly want The Irishman as the title to capitalize on the prominence, everyone and their mother are calling it that way. I'm hoping for 'Paint Houses'. It's about time they make it official, one way or the other.
Take this with a grain of salt, but Maniscalco on the release date:
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 5, 2019 20:36:12 GMT
It's a funny thing - The Irishman is like basically the first Netflix movie that is operating under "the old rules" of movies - ie most people I know that aren't movie weirdos didn't know what Roma was, until it popped up on Netflix. Netlix saves so much on that - there is no upfront promotion or selling for them, but that has its own troubles. This film is sort of an outlier in that regard - people are waiting for it, anticipating it, aware of it.
I wonder how much of this is baffling to the Netflix team and how to sell but they better figure it out - a teaser trailer way early for this one (?), a Cannes workprint or sneak peek maybe, settling on the title to brand the f'n movie already. Sigh.....
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Feb 5, 2019 21:41:51 GMT
It's frustrating. The movie is away for at least a few months, probably until the fall festivals, but it's not like they wrapped shooting a week ago. They should settle on a title and release a few official pictures, like Sony did with the Tarantino one. Maybe it would be smart to let people see what they're doing with the de-aging stuff. Two stills, one from "present day" 70s, and one with all the CGI glory in play for young Bob & Al and wait what the internet mob is throwing at them.
Wasn't part of GONY shown in Cannes back then? Was that a work-in-progress or just a half hour or so supercut?
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Feb 6, 2019 0:38:53 GMT
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Post by Viced on Feb 6, 2019 1:48:41 GMT
All these articles about a release date and it all sounds like BS right now...
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Feb 6, 2019 2:51:51 GMT
All these articles about a release date and it all sounds like BS right now... I agree. Until nothing is official, they're probably all talking about what this or that person told them, throw the dynamic of the internet into it, and you get something like this. On the other hand, a September/October start date seems reasonable. But what would they gain with a Cannes premiere? Scorsese doesn't do competition anymore (despite him saying once he would like to win a second Palme), so an out of comp. Netflix movie could work. Then there's the prestige of the Croisette. But we have zero information how far they are with the completion of it. Zero. Even De Niro as recently as at the Marrakech FF said he hadn't seen anything yet. How long does it take to finish and perfect those CGI shots? They wrapped in March '18. Scorsese had about 12 months to edit WOWS, and he rushed that one and nearly didn't make the deadline. The Irishman has a much bigger scope, plus those complicated effect shots necessary for a big part of the movie. And everything is finished and ready by May? I don't buy it. This is a huge, high profile movie, it doesn't need Cannes to get the attention. I think it would be smarter to take it to one or two of the fall festivals, then capitalize on the buzz around it and bring it into some movie theaters before the whole streaming part of the release. Then there's the question about 'Killers of the Flower Moon'. De Niro mentioned it a couple of times during his visit to Morocco. So that seems to be coming together nicely. The plan was to start shooting this summer. Who knows how that fits into this or complicates matters.
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Feb 6, 2019 20:19:56 GMT
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Feb 9, 2019 2:37:08 GMT
Just to keep the flame alive, some infos from Robbie Robertson, Anna Paquin and some real insight from the one and only Thelma Schoonmaker ==== No surprise here and nothing new, Robbie Robertson is working on the film. From August 2018: And then: A few weeks ago: It's funny, if I remember correctly, on every new Scorsese feature, Robertson is supposedly working on the score, or writing new music/songs/pieces. And while I don't doubt he is a big part of getting the right music for each film, selecting songs, maybe even rearranging them etc., as far as I know, there wasn't any new Robbie Robertson music in Scorsese's movies in the last two decades or so. I went back until GONY and looked at the track listings (per IMDB), and apart from The Money Chant in WOWS, if that even counts as a new piece of music, there's nothing to be found. What are we expecting for this one? Probably a lot of needle drops, which Scorsese really knows how to use like no one else in the business, or maybe a new score by Howard Shore or someone to accompany the pre-existing music, like he did for The Aviator for example. I hope for the latter. ==== Anna Paquin in the NYTimes. That celebration scene, with "every single cast member â and I mean, like, everybody there â that shot for a couple of weeks", I CAN'T WAIT. (There are a couple of pictures from that particular scene she talks about online. I guess it may be the Sheeran celebration, organized by the Teamsters.) ==== Schoonmaker gave an exclusive interview on the occasion of receiving the BAFTA Fellowship (!) on Sunday. It's such a lovely talk, I though I'll just post the whole thing. Some of her thoughts on The Irishman included.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 9, 2019 15:54:55 GMT
Between The Irishman and OUATIH it is potentially the year of the editing nerds steel cage Death match in how these two films are constructed except, I don't know who's editing the QT film (?) - I assume Raskin, who did the two films after Sally .......Scorsese has had such a luxury with that relationship.
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Post by Mattsby on Feb 10, 2019 18:22:38 GMT
That yahoo interview is great, she shows a lot of affection for Scorsese. They've been saying The Irishman won't be like Goodfellas since before filming, even though they're similar on the page. If it's something more ruminative and the style, say, less electric - plays into my thinking that the runtime will be extreeeemely long. Another little interview with Schoonmaker from today, they mention that date again Oct on Netflix, but unclear if they're going by recent reporting or if it was confirmed by her -- www.theguardian.com/film/2019/feb/10/thelma-schoonmaker-martin-scorsese-raging-bull-goodfellas-bafta-fellowship-2019
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 10, 2019 19:53:35 GMT
If the first half of the film is de-aged and we assume a 3 hour theatrical release that means that goes half way into the possible Hoffa story line (ie first hour is establishing Sheeran, 2nd hour is Hoffa, 3rd is Sheeran's and (Bufalino's) decline) There are at least 5 major historical mob figures who were killed in famous ways who are cast in this film - I think (Bruno, Anastasia, Gallo, Giancana, Colombo) - now, I'm not saying you have to show all 5 of their deaths in detail but those 5 are major US historical criminal events over a lot of years that are outside the Hoffa angle - and that alone sets up an extended Netflix cut. Like even if they are glossed over in the book, I think they might be bigger in an extended cut of the film. I know the Gallo murder is covered but there's whole other angles to it (ie Gallo invovement with Colombo etc) I still say that is what Scorsese is going to be going for in either cut - the history of labor unions and murder in America and for people saying "been there, done that"..........
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Post by TerryMontana on Feb 10, 2019 21:08:12 GMT
I guess the heavy de-aging stuff will be happening in the first half of the movie (say, 3 hours in total) but Pacino will be de-aged throughout the whole movie. Don't forget he'll be playing Hoffa from age 40-40something up to 62 (his death). Plus, in the stills from the shooting, in what appears to be Hoffa's death scene, Pacino wears these movement detectors in his clothes. So no make-up for Al, only digital de-ageing.
In the contrary, Bobby D will be having a story line in which he'll be playing Sheeran in his last years, meaning over 80 years old (he died at 83). So no cgi gor him in the last act.
A guy who used to be in the imdb fora and had read the first draft of the script (in about 2009...) was claiming that Hoffa appears after at least one hour into the movie.
And we have to remember that a very common strategy Scorsese uses is showing a lot of important (but secondary) scenes in flash backs, covered by narration. And for sure the irishman will have a lot of narration by De Niro, as the whole film will be narrated by Sheeran in his deathbed.
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Post by Lubezki on Feb 25, 2019 2:43:25 GMT
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Feb 25, 2019 2:52:46 GMT
What was this?! Is this real?!
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Feb 25, 2019 4:33:03 GMT
Some thoughts: - that bullet thing looks cheesy - great to see Keitel mentioned alongside the big three. Didn't expect that. - Sheeran's "glad to meet you", could that be from another sequence, an older Sheeran, maybe meeting Brandt, and not from that 'Paint Houses'-phone conversation like the rest? - pretty sure now, The Irishman being the title. - Pacino's voice: Any thoughts? No Hoffa sound really, but I liked it.
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Post by Viced on Feb 25, 2019 5:09:55 GMT
My main takeaway is:
IN THEATERS THIS FALL
Gotta assume Scorsese was successful in getting a wide release for it before it goes straight to Netflix, which is fantastic news.
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Post by Mattsby on Feb 25, 2019 5:18:22 GMT
Looks more fanmade than legit, still exciting of course. Just wish the title remained I Heard You Paint Houses since you know De Niro and Scorsese wanted that and it isn't like Netflix to force their hand...
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Post by quetee on Feb 25, 2019 5:23:57 GMT
My main takeaway is: IN THEATERS THIS FALLGotta assume Scorsese was successful in getting a wide release for it before it goes straight to Netflix, which is fantastic news. Exactly!!!
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