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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 16, 2019 17:05:03 GMT
Ok, ranking the performances now the season is done:
1. Regina King
Phenomenal. If people didn't quite grasp how good she was before this show, they do now. It's far and away her show and her performance thar carries the show.
2. Jean Smart
Such a droll, witty and offbeat performance. Loved it.
3 Tim Blake Nelson
Great support throughout, and gave a knockout performance in his origin story episode
4 Jeremy Irons
Best performance I've seen from Irons in years. He captures the sociopathic narcissism of Ozymandias perfectly
5 Hong Chau
Very interesting and commanding performance, effortlessly holding her own with some intimidating performers.
Honorable mentions: Don Johnson and Jovan Adepo. Both would have cracked my top 5 if they didn't have such limited episode time. Also Yaya Abdul Manteen ll....who only got to do anything meaty right at the end.
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Post by stephen on Dec 16, 2019 17:43:52 GMT
My cast ranking:
1. Regina King. 2. Tim Blake Nelson (who had probably the strongest single Emmy reel of an episode). 3. Jean Smart. 4. Jeremy Irons. 5. Jovan Adepo. 6. Don Johnson. 7. Tom Mison. 8. Hong Chau. 9. Louis Gossett, Jr. 10. Yahya Abdul-Mateen II. 11. Sara Vickers. 12. James Wolk. 13. Frances Fisher.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 17, 2019 2:16:31 GMT
Gotta say I’ll be ok if they don’t make another season. This was so great and no where to go but down.
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 17, 2019 5:12:15 GMT
So while this show eventually ended up in my good graces and I ultimately really dug it, there are a few dangling threads there that actually kinda have me hankering for another season, such as: *Rorschach ... It is super weird to me how, to the best of my recollection, between Ozymandias, Laurie Blake, and Doc Manhattan, none of them make any reference to having known/worked with Rorschach, despite him clearly having perhaps the strongest lasting legacy of that group. Now I know that the depiction of Rorschach having served as inspiration for the Seventh Calvary more or less plays true to how Alan Moore considered the character (Moore has said that Rorschach was designed to embody people/philosophies that he personally despised, and that he was shocked that Rorschach ended up being the most popular character from his book as the character was not at all meant to be liked), I do think there is more nuance to Rorschach's philosophy than there is to a white supremacist's, and that never really gets addressed. I mean, The Comedian was really nothing more than a white supremacist, and he and Rorschach were pretty different ... and I know that the point (at least, I think) is that Rorschach's message was misinterpreted and misconstrued to meet the true intent of the Seventh Calvary, but still, it woulda made way more sense if they had heralded The Comedian as their champion. Anyway, there's a lot more that the series could've addressed there that I'm surprised just kind of flew under their radar.
*And while they're at it, where the fuck is Nite Owl?? What the hell happened to him??? Absolutely no reference of him (that I caught) whatsoever until Archie pops up in the finale (which was glorious by the way). And that's super weird to me considering that his character was more or less framed as the level-headed protagonist of the novel (if there was a sole protagonist ... which there wasn't ... it would be him), and more so that he and Laurie were romantically involved and still together at the end of the novel and yet only her relationship with Jon is ever addressed. They could at least tell us what happened to him ... but it also felt like it was maybe being deliberately saved for a future season to touch on.
*Fuck Lubeman, the character I want more of is Red Scare. That guy was pretty awesome in what little we saw of him, and he's got an all-timer of a hero name to boot, and yet the show never delved into anything there ... and apparently they actually had a backstory written for him too, but a bigger role for the character was ultimately cut out because they didn't know how to fit it in, and that to me just makes it even more heartbreaking that they glossed over the character. Would love to see more of the guy and find out what his deal is.
*They can't just leave us with Ozymandias getting arrested at the end of the season ... that's just too much of a cliffhanger for me. There's so much good material that we could get from a possible Ozymandias trial, that storyline needs to happen and honestly the story now just feels incomplete if we don't get to see what comes of that.
To me, there is a sense of falsity to this season's apparent happy ending, and to me that doesn't mesh at all with the tone of the novel. That ends with Ozymandias doing some horribly evil shit that seems to bring about peace, but there is a sense of impending doom hanging around the whole thing, i.e. Nothing ever ends ... this season sees Ozymandias doing more of that same evil shit to apparently bring about peace, but unlike the novel there isn't really any reason left for us to doubt. There's a sense of finality to it that feels ... very anti-Watchmen, and very false to real life. I feel like I sort of need more to be satisfied with this story at this point ...
And while I'd be hesitant of how future seasons would have to deal with Angela as the new Dr. Manhattan, I actually think there could be a lot of really interesting ground to cover there, how one comes to cope with those powers and learn to use them; additionally since Angela basically absorbed a piece of Jon, she theoretically could be seeing him/interacting with him as she comes to learn his powers, which could be a way to still incorporate the character into the story in addition to giving a strong emotional arc to Angela with how she copes with his death. To me one of the biggest flaws with this season still was that Angela was just too much of a blank slate as a character -- off the top of my head I can't even really think of a character trait I'd use to describe her -- and while her becoming the new Dr. Manhattan might not seem like the best way to achieve more dimensionality for her, I actually think it could really work.
So, yeah ... I actually really want a second season of this, even though a lot of fans seem to be against it and Lindelof is sort of dancing around the idea. I think it could really work in a Leftovers season 2 fashion ... new setting, new central conflict, a new set of characters to focus on while sort of picking and choosing which previous main cast members to carry over. Maybe I'm alone in wanting that, but I think it could be great.
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 17, 2019 5:17:08 GMT
Everybody in the cast was great, but MVPs for me off the top of my head: Jeremy Irons, Sara Vickers, Louis Gossett Jr. and Jovan Adepo (who definitely had the best single-episode performance).
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 17, 2019 5:18:59 GMT
So while this show eventually ended up in my good graces and I ultimately really dug it, there are a few dangling threads there that actually kinda have me hankering for another season, such as: *Rorschach ... It is super weird to me how, to the best of my recollection, between Ozymandias, Laurie Blake, and Doc Manhattan, none of them make any reference to having known/worked with Rorschach, despite him clearly having perhaps the strongest lasting legacy of that group. Now I know that the depiction of Rorschach having served as inspiration for the Seventh Calvary more or less plays true to how Alan Moore considered the character (Moore has said that Rorschach was designed to embody people/philosophies that he personally despised, and that he was shocked that Rorschach ended up being the most popular character from his book as the character was not at all meant to be liked), I do think there is more nuance to Rorschach's philosophy than there is to a white supremacist's, and that never really gets addressed. I mean, The Comedian was really nothing more than a white supremacist, and he and Rorschach were pretty different ... and I know that the point (at least, I think) is that Rorschach's message was misinterpreted and misconstrued to meet the true intent of the Seventh Calvary, but still, it woulda made way more sense if they had heralded The Comedian as their champion. Anyway, there's a lot more that the series could've addressed there that I'm surprised just kind of flew under their radar.
*And while they're at it, where the fuck is Nite Owl?? What the hell happened to him??? Absolutely no reference of him (that I caught) whatsoever until Archie pops up in the finale (which was glorious by the way). And that's super weird to me considering that his character was more or less framed as the level-headed protagonist of the novel (if there was a sole protagonist ... which there wasn't ... it would be him), and more so that he and Laurie were romantically involved and still together at the end of the novel and yet only her relationship with Jon is ever addressed. They could at least tell us what happened to him ... but it also felt like it was maybe being deliberately saved for a future season to touch on.
*Fuck Lubeman, the character I want more of is Red Scare. That guy was pretty awesome in what little we saw of him, and he's got an all-timer of a hero name to boot, and yet the show never delved into anything there ... and apparently they actually had a backstory written for him too, but a bigger role for the character was ultimately cut out because they didn't know how to fit it in, and that to me just makes it even more heartbreaking that they glossed over the character. Would love to see more of the guy and find out what his deal is.
*They can't just leave us with Ozymandias getting arrested at the end of the season ... that's just too much of a cliffhanger for me. There's so much good material that we could get from a possible Ozymandias trial, that storyline needs to happen and honestly the story now just feels incomplete if we don't get to see what comes of that.
To me, there is a sense of falsity to this season's apparent happy ending, and to me that doesn't mesh at all with the tone of the novel. That ends with Ozymandias doing some horribly evil shit that seems to bring about peace, but there is a sense of impending doom hanging around the whole thing, i.e. Nothing ever ends ... this season sees Ozymandias doing more of that same evil shit to apparently bring about peace, but unlike the novel there isn't really any reason left for us to doubt. There's a sense of finality to it that feels ... very anti-Watchmen, and very false to real life. I feel like I sort of need more to be satisfied with this story at this point ...
And while I'd be hesitant of how future seasons would have to deal with Angela as the new Dr. Manhattan, I actually think there could be a lot of really interesting ground to cover there, how one comes to cope with those powers and learn to use them; additionally since Angela basically absorbed a piece of Jon, she theoretically could be seeing him/interacting with him as she comes to learn his powers, which could be a way to still incorporate the character into the story in addition to giving a strong emotional arc to Angela with how she copes with his death. To me one of the biggest flaws with this season still was that Angela was just too much of a blank slate as a character -- off the top of my head I can't even really think of a character trait I'd use to describe her -- and while her becoming the new Dr. Manhattan might not seem like the best way to achieve more dimensionality for her, I actually think it could really work.
So, yeah ... I actually really want a second season of this, even though a lot of fans seem to be against it and Lindelof is sort of dancing around the idea. I think it could really work in a Leftovers season 2 fashion ... new setting, new central conflict, a new set of characters to focus on while sort of picking and choosing which previous main cast members to carry over. Maybe I'm alone in wanting that, but I think it could be great. Early on in the series it's heavily implied that Dan is in prison.
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 17, 2019 5:21:47 GMT
Early on in the series it's heavily implied that Dan is in prison. I don't remember that, what was the context?
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 17, 2019 5:43:10 GMT
Early on in the series it's heavily implied that Dan is in prison. I don't remember that, what was the context? When Senator Keene first meets with Laurie, he made some comment about if he becomes President he can help her "get her owl out of its cage".
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 17, 2019 5:50:08 GMT
I don't remember that, what was the context? When Senator Keene first meets with Laurie, he made some comment about if he becomes President he can help her "get her owl out of its cage". Gotcha, thanks, I must've totally missed that. I keep thinking that I should maybe go back and rewatch the entire season ... especially as the last four episodes made me feel like I should've appreciated the first five more ... I feel like there's a lot I might've missed when my attention was zoning in and out on the parts that I found kinda boring (i.e. basically everything with the Seventh Cavalry). If only I had the time!
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 22, 2019 2:03:59 GMT
finished episode 4 last night. I don't know... I'm still waiting for it to grab me. Jean Smart is the best thing about it so far.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 22, 2020 19:56:38 GMT
confirmed by HBO as Limited Series in the lead-up to the emmy race. Personally I just thought the show was solid. I didn't have any affinity towards the novel or knowledge about the story going in, but I loved Lindelof's worldbuilding and I'd be shocked if all that went towards just one story (which in the confines of the massive universe established seems relatively small). If I got anything out of the show, it's that this world is rife for narrative potential and I'd be really disappointed if that goes untapped. This should be HBO's better Fargo. They clarified in the announcement that the limited series classification would also apply to any "possible future installments," which gives me some hope. I don't even know that Lindelof would be required because the world is already so textured and unique, if someone talented/creative and detail-oriented enough wants to step in and take the reins, I say let 'em and keep this thing going. I want more.
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Post by stephen on Mar 27, 2020 23:04:05 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on May 6, 2020 16:02:20 GMT
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Post by DaleCooper on May 27, 2020 7:22:37 GMT
I kind of loved this is in the end, it really came together brilliantly in the last couple of episodes. More than anything I think it is a masterclas in story telling.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 10, 2020 16:36:04 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 28, 2020 16:05:43 GMT
Damn.... 26 Emmy nominations This thing is gonna clean up. Tim Blake Nelson got robbed though! They can nominate everyone else, but not the best male performance in the series. Pleased for Louis Gossett jr but I'd probably have replaced him with Nelson, out of the three supporting actors who got nominated, though everyone is deserving. Still very pleased for an incredible show. As long as Jean Smart and Regina King win their categories, I'm good. And Best Actor in a miniseries or TV movie is actually weak enough, that Jeremy Irons could actually win in a Watchmen sweep scenario. abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/fresh-comedy-faces-modern-family-farewell-seek-emmy-72022737
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Post by stephen on Jul 28, 2020 16:58:05 GMT
Yeah, Adepo deserves to win from the Watchmen supporting cast, but they couldn't find any room for Nelson?! He had my favorite episode of the entire ensemble.
I love that Irons got in lead because lol.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jul 28, 2020 17:08:48 GMT
So happy to see Regina King get nominated. She killed it as Sister Night. Also pleasantly surprised by Gossett's nomination.
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Post by dazed on Jul 28, 2020 18:04:55 GMT
The Emmy nominations are well deserving as it was the the best show of 2019. Hope it wins a majority of those nominations as well.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Jul 28, 2020 19:21:11 GMT
And Best Actor in a miniseries or TV movie is actually weak enough, that Jeremy Irons could actually win in a Watchmen sweep scenario.
As he should...for he's a jolly good feeeeeeellllllooooooowwwwww...which nobody can deny!
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Post by stephen on Jul 28, 2020 19:27:28 GMT
And Best Actor in a miniseries or TV movie is actually weak enough, that Jeremy Irons could actually win in a Watchmen sweep scenario.
As he should...for he's a jolly good feeeeeeellllllooooooowwwwww...which nobody can deny! His speech should just be a 45-second fart, followed by "The defense rests."
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Post by sirchuck23 on Jul 28, 2020 19:38:10 GMT
As he should...for he's a jolly good feeeeeeellllllooooooowwwwww...which nobody can deny! His speech should just be a 45-second fart, followed by "The defense rests." That would be epic..lol!
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 12, 2020 16:07:10 GMT
The LA Times predicting that Watchmen, Regina King and Jean Smart will win the Emmys in their respective categories and that they should win
www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2020-08-12/emmys-2020-predictions-limited-series-movie-watchmenLIMITED SERIES Should win: “Watchmen” Will win: “Watchmen” Among “Watchmen’s” 26 nominations, it picked up three of the six Emmy directing nods (one of the others went to Lenny Abrahamson for “Normal People,” a show that should have been nominated for series), along with a writing nom (alongside, again, “Normal People” ... how did this program fail to get in?). Obviously, its examination of American racism resonates in the current moment. The way “Watchmen” folds the Tulsa race massacre into an alternate history of America, incorporating a beloved graphic novel series, a love story and absurdist humor is inspired and astonishing. Among this category’s slate of superb nominees, it ranks as the best. LEAD ACTRESS, LIMITED SERIES OR MOVIE Should win: King Will win: King This was the year’s most competitive category, a race so crowded that, in the end, it excluded the work of the remarkable leads from “Unbelievable” (Kaitlyn Dever and Merritt Wever) and Daisy Edgar Jones’ achingly vulnerable turn in “Normal People.” (It’s the last time I’ll mention that show, but do allow me to wipe away this final tear.) Now that the dust has settled though, King stands as the clear-cut favorite to win for her spectacular work on “Watchmen,” a performance that pivoted between grace and power with a subtlety that anchored the series in truth. SUPPORTING ACTRESS, LIMITED SERIES OR MOVIE Should win: Smart Will win: Smart There’s no obvious choice among the “Mrs. America” contestants, ruling them out of the race. Then again, with two Emmys on four tries, I probably shouldn’t underestimate Aduba’s fanbase. And the episode focusing on Shirley Chisholm’s failed bid for the presidency was one of the show’s best. So I’m kind of talking myself into this (check back before the ceremony on Sept. 20), while knowing that voters admire Collette (she won the lead actress comedy Emmy for “United States of Tara”) and they absolutely love Smart, having given her three Emmys from nine nominations over the years. I think she has the edge as “Watchmen” showcased her almost as much as it did King. When she entered in the series’ third episode, she boosted an already great show into the stratosphere.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 14, 2020 18:56:47 GMT
Watchmen sweeps the TCA (Television Critics Association) Awards, winning 4 awards, including Programme Of The Year and Individual Achievement In Drama for Regina King, who beat off a formidable mixed sex line up of performances, including Cate Blanchett in Mrs America, Mark Ruffalo in I Know This Much Is True and Jeremy Strong in Succession.
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Post by Martin Stett on May 9, 2021 0:51:29 GMT
Okay, so after two episodes, I happen to think that this show is kind of shit. The characters are bland as fuck, which makes the mystery boring as fuck. Nobody has any personality, which makes the inclusion of its potentially interesting political angle its only leg to stand on... which isn't much of a leg because the show isn't developing the political angle, it's teasing at it. Which is more than I can say for the blank slate that is supposed to be Angela Anbar, or the mystery of the chief's past (who cares about the boring ass chief who has no personality or motivation?) - this is just inept mystery box writing as I should have expected from a known associate of Hackjob Abrams.
I was cautiously optimistic after the first episode, despite its idiotic character decisions (that fight scene at the ranch was cringeworthy), but there was absolutely nothing in episode 2 that had my interest at all. Is this worth sticking with or should I just dump this shit now? Will Lindelof develop his characters or give any answers to any fucking thing at all within the next episode?
Edit: Don't get me started on the random inserts of Jeremy Irons. Randomly teasing at something that WILL TOTALLY BE IMPORTANT LATER IT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND is bad writing. Work it into the story organically, you hack.
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