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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 16, 2024 19:55:09 GMT
Oliver Stone, Lars Von Trier, Spike Lee (at times), Ken Loach (at times) Who are the directors you think are trying to make a point - or to persuade (manipulate) you - sometimes at the expense of their own stories or drama?  |
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 16, 2024 20:13:03 GMT
Darren Aronofsky
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Post by Martin Stett on Apr 16, 2024 20:20:08 GMT
I just watched my first Peter Greenaway (The Baby of Macon) on Sunday, and you don't get more "provocative" than that. (The movie is a mixed bag, but I mostly liked it. I think Greenaway is more interested in shocking his audience than in having anything insightful or interesting to say, but dang is the movie technically accomplished.)
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 16, 2024 20:32:17 GMT
Michael Moore
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Post by SZilla on Apr 16, 2024 20:35:44 GMT
Ken Russell - especially with The Devils in mind.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 16, 2024 21:19:09 GMT
Lanthimos. Hes also overrated and feels like his time is about up.
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Post by paulgallo on Apr 16, 2024 21:34:27 GMT
Gaspar Noe and his teacher Pier Paolo Pasolini Love how at the 2:00 minute mark Noe picks up Salo and stares at it in awe for several seconds without saying a word  |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 16, 2024 21:36:55 GMT
Gonna shout John Waters and Harmony Korine as well.
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Post by countjohn on Apr 16, 2024 22:55:59 GMT
A lot of correct choices here so far. Von Trier, Aronofsky, Korine, Michael Moore, Lanthimos (someone else said it first so don't @ me). Lee by and large is not but the endings to his two most famous films (Do the Right Thing and Malcolm X) certainly apply.
Don't think I agree with Stone here either. There's a lot to not like about Stone but I don't really think he's insincerely trying to draw some kind of reaction from the audience. Like JFK isn't just him trying to be edgy, he just really is that paranoid.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 16, 2024 23:37:01 GMT
A lot of correct choices here so far. I guess you could say Stanley Kramer had this territory to himself for a long time - and regularly made films to tell people how awful they were and how to be better etc. - he's kind of like Stone in that he really, really meant it..........Stone to me is a provocateur more in some oddball things actually - Salvador in US politics (and how he stacks the deck) and Natural Born Killers - where he does a provocative use of using multiple film medium approaches (including animation, and a TV sitcom, etc) to implicate the audience and their love of violence.....even layering his own work over the screen (Scarface) Lee uses that exact same device in Blackkklansman to sort of justify his provocative use of the CNN clip actually (still hate it, thx).......sometimes Lee is a provocateur in his best scenes in his not very good movies.........like the hairstyles scene in School Daze is a sensational scene and I think has no precedent in American film prior .............. and the people who would be sort of jarred by the scene (best scene in the movie, by far) are his very audience ...... |
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Post by countjohn on Apr 17, 2024 4:49:38 GMT
Stone to me is a provocateur more in some oddball things actually - Salvador in US politics (and how he stacks the deck) and Natural Born Killers - where he does a provocative use of using multiple film medium approaches (including animation, and a TV sitcom, etc) to implicate the audience and their love of violence.....even layering his own work over the screen (Scarface) Lee uses that exact same device in Blackkklansman to sort of justify his provocative use of the CNN clip actually (still hate it, thx) You're probably right about later Stone in the 90's and 21st century, was thinking more of him during his Platoon, Wall Street, JFK days where he's earnest to the point of being annoying but still a good director, at least before JFK. This criticism applies to Scarface too but a lot of that is due to De Palma and not necessarily Stone's script. Don't really think Lee was being a "provocateur" on Blackkklansman. I'm not a fan of ending with the CNN clip either, but I think that's really how Lee sees it (he doesn't think we've changes since then) and that's probably why he wanted to make the film. He had a point he was trying to make which is different than Do the Right Thing where whatever point that was being made got jettisoned in favor of sensationalism in the third act and then little kids yelling "I am Malcolm X!" in that one. |
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Post by stabcaesar on Apr 17, 2024 5:14:03 GMT
Paul Verhoeven
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Post by BlackCaesar21 on Apr 17, 2024 15:23:20 GMT
I just watched my first Peter Greenaway (The Baby of Macon) on Sunday, and you don't get more "provocative" than that. (The movie is a mixed bag, but I mostly liked it. I think Greenaway is more interested in shocking his audience than in having anything insightful or interesting to say, but dang is the movie technically accomplished.) I wanna watch A Zed and Two Noughts but I'm not sure I'd get through it. You should check out The Cook, The Wife though just for the production itself. |
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Post by hilderic on Apr 18, 2024 19:45:39 GMT
Gualtiero Jacopetti.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 20, 2024 6:54:14 GMT
Michel Franco
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