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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 16, 2024 18:14:42 GMT
With Olivier and Bogart? ^
Douglas and Damon have a lot of good work but not much great work to me.......I don't hate them - heck I put Solitary Man in Douglas' top 5 ffs - but Wall Street is merely an iconic character imo - not an iconic performance - A LOT of guys could have played it, exactly like that too ........to me they are examples of guys who are like Ewan McGregor - jack of all trades - master of none .......never actually interesting enough to be bad, but rarely great.........I like them all just fine but I will always go for the idiosyncratic actors that swing and wildly miss sometimes over the guy who is merely solid like that......... heck I want my actors to swing and miss.......... a lot - as long as the home runs they hit are smacked way, way out of the stadium...........  Maybe Finney. Murray. And Olivier and Bogart figures to be there somewhere I guess. I don't see Douglas like McGregor. McGregor is more like Jude Law to me. Attractive. Girl magnet. 90s+00s thing, but faded away a long time ago and hasn't been talked about for 15 years. Douglas to me is like Giamatti. Maybe not in the all-time conversation, but a really strong actor who has great work built up thru time. Or actually maybe he's like Nolte, or something. Never really Oscar baity, never really needed a PTA or Scorsese like Phoenix, DiCaprio, or PSH needed. But has always under the radar been doing big movies and doing the movie star thing. Bogart is the original anti-baity actor. That he took roles that were underappreciated at the time and now they seem to be somewhat.... classics. I think Douglas follows that mold. Solitary Man is another good performance. Forgot about that. He really had loads. You seriously don't like him in Falling Down? Best actor of the year to me. Yeah Hopkins was great, but I think Douglas is even better. Are you seriously gonna say Pacino was the best actor in 1993? COME ON NOW.Hey - were you doing ^ Caitlan Clark? She says that all the time - "Did you think I wasn't gonna shoot that logo 3? Come on now" * I think Falling Down is okay - it starts great to me and gets tiresome - I don't think he's like Giamatti unless we are saying he's as limited as Giamatti is .....um......he's a good, capable, professional actor but not worthy of this talk which is just (way) too much imo...... * I don't think Al Pacino in Scent of a Woman was the single best PERFORMANCE of 1992 (1993 Oscar) but I think he had the best year overall with that and GGR.......2 nods, first time ever, etc * Love your Finney love........good man......somebody start an Albert Finney appreciation thread  ........a no brainer all time top 10 actor for me - I ranked him below Olivier and ahead of DDL in our poll - and my list is the official MAR list ffs kidding, kidding |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 16, 2024 18:49:55 GMT
Maybe Finney. Murray. And Olivier and Bogart figures to be there somewhere I guess. I don't see Douglas like McGregor. McGregor is more like Jude Law to me. Attractive. Girl magnet. 90s+00s thing, but faded away a long time ago and hasn't been talked about for 15 years. Douglas to me is like Giamatti. Maybe not in the all-time conversation, but a really strong actor who has great work built up thru time. Or actually maybe he's like Nolte, or something. Never really Oscar baity, never really needed a PTA or Scorsese like Phoenix, DiCaprio, or PSH needed. But has always under the radar been doing big movies and doing the movie star thing. Bogart is the original anti-baity actor. That he took roles that were underappreciated at the time and now they seem to be somewhat.... classics. I think Douglas follows that mold. Solitary Man is another good performance. Forgot about that. He really had loads. You seriously don't like him in Falling Down? Best actor of the year to me. Yeah Hopkins was great, but I think Douglas is even better. Are you seriously gonna say Pacino was the best actor in 1993? COME ON NOW.Hey - were you doing ^ Caitlan Clark? She says that all the time - "Did you think I wasn't gonna shoot that logo 3? Come on now" * I think Falling Down is okay - it starts great to me and gets tiresome - I don't think he's like Giamatti unless we are saying he's as limited as Giamatti is .....um......he's a good, capable, professional actor but not worthy of this talk which is just (way) too much imo...... * I don't think Al Pacino in Scent of a Woman was the single best PERFORMANCE of 1992 (1993 Oscar) but I think he had the best year overall with that and GGR.......2 nods, first time ever, etc * Love your Finney love........good man......somebody start an Albert Finney appreciation thread ........a no brainer all time top 10 actor for me - I ranked him below Olivier and ahead of DDL in our poll - and my list is the official MAR list ffs kidding, kidding Wait... you're not a Giamatti fan either? You're just....... kinda hard to please. Or do you just like big 5 70s guys + Brando + new Scorsese/PTA guys? And just random.... I remember you're a big Michelle Williams fan. Would you say she's the face of Americana nowadays? Land of Plenty, Meek's Cutoff, Wendy and Lucy, Brokeback Mountain.........they all have Americana elements. I know totally random, but Michelle is just on my my mind right now. She might slide into my Top 10. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 16, 2024 19:10:22 GMT
Wait... you're not a Giamatti fan either? You're just....... kinda hard to please. Or do you just like big 5 70s guys + Brando + new Scorsese/PTA guys? And just random.... I remember you're a big Michelle Williams fan. Would you say she's the face of Americana nowadays? Land of Plenty, Meek's Cutoff, Wendy and Lucy, Brokeback Mountain.........they all have Americana elements. I know totally random, but Michelle is just on my my mind right now. She might slide into my Top 10. * Not really, I think Giamatti could have won this year and I'd have been ok with it - though not necessarily my pick - I try not to judge the person, but the work only.......and his overall work is often NOT great.......but he's been inarguably great 3 times (American Splendor, Sideways, The Holdovers) * Giamatti, Douglas, Damon are guys who are maybe NOT in my top 100 (world) actors of all time......maybe they are - but to me their actual level of interest is far less than many other Americans even...... Jeffrey Wright / Jeff Bridges and DiCap are peers of those guys and Wright / Bridges / DiCap are more interesting - and better to me - that's all. * I said on MAR before Fosse /Verdon that Williams was he best actress of her generation - which I meant as (now) in her 40s.........so over Chastain and Adams.......her relative lack of work around this 5 year period hurts her case but her filmography has many, popping performances imo - and also has a ton of auteurs for a female..........I think she's also under-nominated .........she's very American in that her film performances capture a very specific time........even in Shutter Island she was great at capturing not merely a post-war American female but the movies IDEA of a post-war female too .........a whole lot of thought goes into her very best work |
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........a no brainer all time top 10 actor for me - I ranked him below Olivier and ahead of DDL in our poll - and my list is the official MAR list ffs 
