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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 12, 2024 7:28:47 GMT
By a razor thin margin of a single vote, the winner of Alfred Hitchcock & James Stewart is......Vertigo.
1) Director/ Actor Best Film #1: Scorsese & DeNiro-------Goodfellas (17 votes) (RU Taxi Driver 10 votes)
2) Director/Actor Best Film #2: Fincher & Pitt----- Seven ( 19 votes) ( RU: Fight Club 13 votes)
3) Director/ Actor Best Film # 3: Spielberg & Hanks-----Saving Private Ryan ( 15 votes) ( RU: Catch Me If You Can 12 votes)
4) Director/Actor Best Film #4: Coppola & Dunst------ The Virgin Suicides ( 10 votes) ( RU: Marie Antoinette 9 votes)
5) Director/Actor Best Film #5: Haynes & Moore------ Safe ( 10 Votes)
(RU: Far From Heaven 9 votes)
6 ) Director/ Actor Best Film #6: Rafelson & Nicholson------- Five Easy Pieces (12 Votes) ( RU: The King Of Marvin Gardens 4 votes)
7) Director/Actor Best Film #7: Sheridan & Day-Lewis------ In The Name Of The Father ( 16 Votes) ( RU: My Left Foot 3 votes)
8) Director/ Actor Best Film #8 : Scott & Washington---- Crimson Tide (6 Votes) & Deja Vu ( 6 Votes) ( RU: Man On Fire 5 votes)
9) Director/ Actor Best Film #9: Carpenter & Russell--------The Thing (15 Votes)
( RU: Big Trouble In Little China 3 votes)
10) Director/Actor Best Film #10: Kazan & Brando------- A Streetcar Named Desire (12 Votes) ( RU: On The Waterfront 9 votes)
11) Director/Actor Best Film #11: McQueen & Fassbender-------12 Years A Slave ( 11 Votes) ( RU: Hunger 7 votes)
12) Director/Actor Best Film #12: Scott & Crowe------ Gladiator (19 Votes) ( RU: American Gangster 6 votes)
13) Director/ Actor Best Film #13: Russell & Lawrence------ Silver Linings Playbook ( 17 Votes) ( RU: American Hustle 4 votes)
14) Director/ Actor Best Film #14: Scorsese & DiCaprio-------- The Wolf Of Wall Street ( 12 Votes)
( RU: The Departed 8 votes)
15) Director/Actor Best Film #15: Tarantino & Jackson------ Pulp Fiction (21 Votes) ( RU: Jackie Brown 6 votes)
16) Director/ Actor Best Film #16: Landis & Murphy------ Trading Places ( 9 Votes)
( RU: Coming To America 5 votes)
17) Director/ Actor Best Film #17: Anderson & Hoffman-------The Master (16 Votes) ( RU: Boogie Nights 12 Votes)
18) Director/Actor Best Film #18 : Hitchcock & Stewart------Vertigo (16 Votes) (RU: Rear Window 15 votes)
Next up, Clint Eastwood & Morgan Freeman, who have made 3 films together.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 12, 2024 11:42:15 GMT
Invictus is Freeman's strongest performance for Eastwood, but Unforgiven is my vote for their best film together. A surprisingly strong and underrated partnership.
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Post by stephen on Apr 12, 2024 11:51:09 GMT
This is absolutely not close.
I stand by my determination that Morgan Freeman's win for Million Dollar Baby is the worst winner in Best Supporting Actor. He's just so dead in the movie and while I am glad that Freeman is an Oscar winner, I really wish it wasn't for that.
Invictus is a situation where they had the perfect actor for the role, but the story just does nothing for him. Freeman's giving a decent enough turn here but the whole movie is a big missed opportunity.
Unforgiven, though -- that is a perfect movie and Freeman is perfect in it. I'd never give him the win over it for Hackman in the same film (an all-timer), but Freeman is the film's secret weapon because he has such an immediate rapport with Eastwood and he fits that milieu so perfectly, and he is the perfect cinematic straight man, allowing Eastwood and Hackman and even Jaimz Woolvett to play off of him so well.
Yeah, this one's no contest. Unforgiven forever and a day.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 12, 2024 12:02:14 GMT
This is absolutely not close. I stand by my determination that Morgan Freeman's win for Million Dollar Baby is the worst winner in Best Supporting Actor. He's just so dead in the movie and while I am glad that Freeman is an Oscar winner, I really wish it wasn't for that. Invictus is a situation where they had the perfect actor for the role, but the story just does nothing for him. Freeman's giving a decent enough turn here but the whole movie is a big missed opportunity. Unforgiven, though -- that is a perfect movie and Freeman is perfect in it. I'd never give him the win over it for Hackman in the same film (an all-timer), but Freeman is the film's secret weapon because he has such an immediate rapport with Eastwood and he fits that milieu so perfectly, and he is the perfect cinematic straight man, allowing Eastwood and Hackman and even Jaimz Woolvett to play off of him so well. Yeah, this one's no contest. Unforgiven forever and a day. I'm almost in agreement with Million Dollar Baby ( except I don't think he's anything close to being the worst supporting actor Oscar winner. I could name at least 15 worse winners . But it's a pretty boring win). I don't love the film and I don't think Freeman is doing anything special in it, but I'm glad Freeman has an Oscar....he had done so much great work up till that point, and I think the Academy might have felt it was time and he wouldn't get many more clear cut opportunities to win given his age. I slightly disagree on Invictus though. I think it's aged nicely and Freeman is doing wonderful, nuanced work that goes far beyond most typical biopic impersonations. He captures the spirit and essence of Mandela. I think it's his best performance for Eastwood, and one of the best in his storied career. Freeman is excellent in Unforgiven, and a vital cog in that ensemble, but I've got him as the 4th best performance in that movie behind Hackman, Harris and Eastwood. So I can't really put it on par with something like Invictus as a performance. |
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Post by stephen on Apr 12, 2024 12:17:28 GMT
This is absolutely not close. I stand by my determination that Morgan Freeman's win for Million Dollar Baby is the worst winner in Best Supporting Actor. He's just so dead in the movie and while I am glad that Freeman is an Oscar winner, I really wish it wasn't for that. Invictus is a situation where they had the perfect actor for the role, but the story just does nothing for him. Freeman's giving a decent enough turn here but the whole movie is a big missed opportunity. Unforgiven, though -- that is a perfect movie and Freeman is perfect in it. I'd never give him the win over it for Hackman in the same film (an all-timer), but Freeman is the film's secret weapon because he has such an immediate rapport with Eastwood and he fits that milieu so perfectly, and he is the perfect cinematic straight man, allowing Eastwood and Hackman and even Jaimz Woolvett to play off of him so well. Yeah, this one's no contest. Unforgiven forever and a day. I'm almost in agreement with Million Dollar Baby ( except I don't think he's anything close to being the worst supporting actor Oscar winner. I could name at least 15 worse winners . But it's a pretty boring win). I don't love the film and I don't think Freeman is doing anything special in it, but I'm glad Freeman has an Oscar....he had done so much great work up till that point, and I think the Academy might have felt it was time and he wouldn't get many more clear cut opportunities to win given his age. I slightly disagree on Invictus though. I think it's aged nicely and Freeman is doing wonderful, nuanced work that goes far beyond most typical biopic impersonations. He captures the spirit and essence of Mandela. I think it's his best performance for Eastwood, and one of the best in his storied career. Freeman is excellent in Unforgiven, and a vital cog in that ensemble, but I've got him as the 4th best performance in that movie behind Hackman, Harris and Eastwood. So I can't really put it on par with something like Invictus as a performance. Meh, Invictus is a case where you know exactly what you're going to get from him, and I just find the whole thing to be unmemorable and it's easily his most forgettable Oscar nomination. I'm glad it has its fans, but it made absolutely no strong impression and I've seen it twice. I'd probably rate Freeman fourth of the Unforgiven ensemble as well, shuffle Harris and Eastwood's placements there, but that is no diss at all against Freeman. That ensemble is top fucking tier. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 12, 2024 12:20:35 GMT
I'm almost in agreement with Million Dollar Baby ( except I don't think he's anything close to being the worst supporting actor Oscar winner. I could name at least 15 worse winners . But it's a pretty boring win). I don't love the film and I don't think Freeman is doing anything special in it, but I'm glad Freeman has an Oscar....he had done so much great work up till that point, and I think the Academy might have felt it was time and he wouldn't get many more clear cut opportunities to win given his age. I slightly disagree on Invictus though. I think it's aged nicely and Freeman is doing wonderful, nuanced work that goes far beyond most typical biopic impersonations. He captures the spirit and essence of Mandela. I think it's his best performance for Eastwood, and one of the best in his storied career. Freeman is excellent in Unforgiven, and a vital cog in that ensemble, but I've got him as the 4th best performance in that movie behind Hackman, Harris and Eastwood. So I can't really put it on par with something like Invictus as a performance. Meh, Invictus is a case where you know exactly what you're going to get from him, and I just find the whole thing to be unmemorable and it's easily his most forgettable Oscar nomination. I'm glad it has its fans, but it made absolutely no strong impression and I've seen it twice. I'd probably rate Freeman fourth of the Unforgiven ensemble as well, shuffle Harris and Eastwood's placements there, but that is no diss at all against Freeman. That ensemble is top fucking tier. |
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Post by stephen on Apr 12, 2024 12:25:54 GMT
Meh, Invictus is a case where you know exactly what you're going to get from him, and I just find the whole thing to be unmemorable and it's easily his most forgettable Oscar nomination. I'm glad it has its fans, but it made absolutely no strong impression and I've seen it twice. I'd probably rate Freeman fourth of the Unforgiven ensemble as well, shuffle Harris and Eastwood's placements there, but that is no diss at all against Freeman. That ensemble is top fucking tier. "Forgettable" does not mean worst. I remember Million Dollar Baby but not for good reasons. Invictus is porridge in cinematic form: it's bland and tasteless, and while it can sustain you, no one wants to subsist on it, and no one remembers an amazing bowl of porridge they once had. His first three nominations are all very strong (although his actual best performance was never nominated, and that's Se7en). His last two feel very much like coasting on his reputation more than the work he's putting in. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 12, 2024 12:34:09 GMT
I thought Freeman's reading of Mandela's favorite poem Invictus in Invictus is one of the most touching and beautiful pieces of voice-over committed to screen. I'm gonna die on the hill of Freeman's performance in Invictus being special and one of his best.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 12, 2024 12:39:04 GMT
"Forgettable" does not mean worst. I remember Million Dollar Baby but not for good reasons. Invictus is porridge in cinematic form: it's bland and tasteless, and while it can sustain you, no one wants to subsist on it, and no one remembers an amazing bowl of porridge they once had. His first three nominations are all very strong (although his actual best performance was never nominated, and that's Se7en). His last two feel very much like coasting on his reputation more than the work he's putting in. Fair enough, if that's your opinion. I don't remember anything much about Freeman's performance specifically in Million Dollar Baby other than he played some sort of generic boxing cornerman role or something ( I haven't cared to revisit that film though). I found him very memorable and moving in Invictus (same goes for Matt Damon, who did some fantastic accent work. Leonardo DiCaprio in Blood Diamond should have taken tips from Damon). |
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Post by Nikan on Apr 12, 2024 12:45:27 GMT
This is absolutely not close. I stand by my determination that Morgan Freeman's win for Million Dollar Baby is the worst winner in Best Supporting Actor. Jason Robards in Julia: hold my hat. |
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Post by stephen on Apr 12, 2024 12:48:58 GMT
This is absolutely not close. I stand by my determination that Morgan Freeman's win for Million Dollar Baby is the worst winner in Best Supporting Actor. Jason Robards in Julia: hold my hat. Nah, Robards is better. He's not great but he is better. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 12, 2024 12:49:33 GMT
This is absolutely not close. I stand by my determination that Morgan Freeman's win for Million Dollar Baby is the worst winner in Best Supporting Actor. Jason Robards in Julia: hold my hat. for City Slickers & John Mills in Ryan's Daughter. There's a lot to choose from. I adore Michael Caine, but his win for The Cider House Rules was terrible. Freeman's win was just boring and inoffensive. There are several actively terrible supporting wins compared to his, imho. |
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Post by sirchuck23 on Apr 12, 2024 15:59:54 GMT
Unforgiven
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Post by Nikan on Apr 12, 2024 16:03:52 GMT
Unforgiven, though -- that is a perfect movie and Freeman is perfect in it. I'd never give him the win over it for Hackman in the same film (an all-timer), but Freeman is the film's secret weapon because he has such an immediate rapport with Eastwood and he fits that milieu so perfectly, and he is the perfect cinematic straight man, allowing Eastwood and Hackman and even Jaimz Woolvett to play off of him so well. I love the moment where he can't shoot and just looks at Clint and almost uncontrollably shakes his head... |
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Post by stephen on Apr 12, 2024 16:09:05 GMT
Jason Robards in Julia: hold my hat. for City Slickers & John Mills in Ryan's Daughter. There's a lot to choose from. I adore Michael Caine, but his win for The Cider House Rules was terrible. Freeman's win was just boring and inoffensive. There are several actively terrible supporting wins compared to his, imho. I rate Caine's second win right above Freeman's. It's a bad performance and it's probably a worse win if we look at the competition that year (any of the other four nominees would've been fantastic winners in their own rights, and they absolutely went with the worst choice), but Caine is at least doing something in the movie, whereas Freeman just isn't. I also have a very soft spot in my heart for Palance's win. I wouldn't nominate him, but it is a fun and good performance. Mills sucks, agreed. |
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Post by JangoB on Apr 12, 2024 16:23:44 GMT
Performance-wise, it's Invictus. Freeman's the reason to watch the thing. Movie-wise... Yeah yeah, Unforgiven is great and all that, but the emotional gravitas of Million Dollar Baby pulls it further for me. Mo Chuisle  |
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Post by countjohn on Apr 12, 2024 16:45:36 GMT
As others have said, this is an easy one. Unforgiven is a perfect movie and in the top 10-20 of all time. Invictus is good, Million Dollar Baby is alright. I stand by my determination that Morgan Freeman's win for Million Dollar Baby is the worst winner in Best Supporting Actor. That's a tough nut to crack unless the Academy decides to posthumously take John Mills Oscar back....... |
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 12, 2024 18:48:58 GMT
Performance-wise, it's Invictus. Freeman's the reason to watch the thing. Someone else who sees the vision  |
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Post by JangoB on Apr 12, 2024 18:54:24 GMT
Performance-wise, it's Invictus. Freeman's the reason to watch the thing. Someone else who sees the vision Yeah, I wish we didn't have to watch a rugby game for an hour and instead spent the entire film with Freeman and Freeman alone. |
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 12, 2024 19:45:05 GMT
Who the hell voted for Invictus??  I've only seen it once and remember almost nothing about it except Damon's "This is it! This is our destiny!" line from the trailer lol MDB is good, but Unforgiven is a stone-cold masterpiece and in my all-time top 20... so yeah, not close. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 12, 2024 20:17:44 GMT
Who the hell voted for Invictus?? I've only seen it once and remember almost nothing about it except Damon's "This is it! This is our destiny!" line from the trailer lol MDB is good, but Unforgiven is a stone-cold masterpiece and in my all-time top 20... so yeah, not close. I voted Unforgiven, but honestly, between Invictus and Million Dollar Baby, I'd take Invictus any day ( mainly for Freeman's performance. Damon is good as well). Million Dollar Baby is for me one of the most overrated and undeserving Best Picture winners ever.... Eastwood could unfortunately pump out anything in those days and it'd have a shot at winning BP, but I just don't get the appeal of that film at all, unless you get excited by the "shock" tragedy porn aspect of Hilary Swank breaking her neck in a boxing ring. I just find the whole movie grossly manipulative, which was pretty typical of projects written by Paul Haggis ( who also wrote that other grossly manipulative and undeserving Best Picture winner, Crash). At least I got a decent history lesson out of Invictus. Million Dollar Baby....nuthin'  . Maybe I need to give Million Dollar Baby a rewatch, but I just remember not really liking much about it the first and only time I watched it. |
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