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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 5, 2024 12:30:27 GMT
Combining my love of acting and my love of Caitlin Clark - this what is often said of her : "She's just a generational player and she just makes everybody around her better," LSU coach Mulkey said about Clark. "That's what the great ones do"............Nicholson, DePac do / did this a lot obviusly ...........getting actors opposite them to nods or wins even who are not normally considered particularly special actors ....... Helen Mirren does this - sometimes even in stuff that isn't that good ............ Julianne Moore definitely does it............ Ed Harris.......Robert Duvall
Who can be "the glue" not "the glitter" ? ...........and be willing to lend a helping hand:
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Post by stephen on Apr 5, 2024 15:31:01 GMT
Tom Hanks is kind of the top example of this.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Apr 5, 2024 15:32:07 GMT
Jack Lemmon should be a poster child of this. He knew when to bring it and when to let his co-star shine... and by the gods, he was great at both. Didn't matter if it was comedy or drama, he knew how to expertly step in and out of the spotlight when necessary.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 5, 2024 15:40:11 GMT
Was going to come on here and say Tom Hanks is to my mind the quintessential example of a generous scene partner.
A lot of your usual suspects for GOAT actors can be very generous. Michael Caine extended his career an extra 30 years by being incredibly good at being a glue guy. I know OP is not a particularly big fan of Matt Damon, but he's another one who's great at teeing up his co-stars and building off them to make them look better (I'm especially thinking of Good Will Hunting and True Grit). Jodie Foster I think is a bit unsung as far as her specific talent in this regard.
There are plenty more and I'll probably come back to this later as it's one of my favorite subjects in regards to acting.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 5, 2024 16:01:27 GMT
Denzel is by far the best example of this in the industry today. So many actors who worked with him have said this about him. From Ethan Hawke to Tom Hanks to Rahda Mitchell to Chiwitel Ejiofor to Austin Butler in interviews long after they worked with him. Pretty much the majority of his co-stars say he made them better. His approach to the work and just the way he behaves on set forces everyone around him to up their game and stay more in character. But he's also supportive of scene partners, and isn't just trying to blow them off the screen ( which is maybe something the equally imposing Daniel Day-Lewis is more likely to try and do with a scene partner). Hawke gave a brilliant quote about working with Denzel on Training Day"Denzel....don't fuck with him, man. You know come to the set with some sloppy work. I loved it. I loved somebody who sets the bar high for crying out loud. I mean everybody is so complacent. It's like they're waiting for Martin Scorsese to show up to give them permission to do great work. Why not do it now?"
Rahda Mitchell, his Man On Fire co-star has said repeatedly he's the actor she learned the most from working with in her career. And she went as far as to say that everyone in the cast had their performances elevated by his focus and concentration. www.dailymail.co.uk/video/tvshowbiz/video-2297024/Video-Radha-Mitchell-reveals-actor-shes-learned-from.html
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 5, 2024 16:03:25 GMT
Tom Hanks is kind of the top example of this. I dunno if he's the top example of this. I don't think he neccesarily makes actors worse, but I'm not sure for example he was doing anything in Elvis to make Austin Butler better. I think Butler was doing that by himself.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 5, 2024 16:09:49 GMT
Was going to come on here and say Tom Hanks is to my mind the quintessential example of a generous scene partner. In general - imo - the less(er) "Alpha Male" actors like Hanks and Lemmon and to me - especially Clift - are usually more obviously better at it since they are not trying to blow lesser actors off the screen .........I can't think of a more "sensitive" actor in this way than Clift who is not only that word in his own acting but in the space he grants to others - his co-stars, the director, the writer.......I mean it's almost to a fault with him even
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Post by thomasjerome on Apr 5, 2024 16:29:59 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 5, 2024 16:31:07 GMT
I'd also think Gene Hackman ( though retired) had a similar effect as Denzel. His no-nonense approach to the work forces everyone around him to raise their game, but he's also a nuanced and generous scene partner and isn't working on the objective to blow all his scene partners off the screen, which he could probably do with 99% of them.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 5, 2024 16:36:30 GMT
This is almost like exactly like the kind of stuff you hear about Julianne Moore - like almost scarily similar.........
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Post by TheAlwaysClassy on Apr 5, 2024 16:38:41 GMT
For as much of a "star" as he is, Tom Cruise, when he's "acting", has always seemed very generous and willing to let someone else steal the scene. We haven't seen that side of him in awhile though...
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Post by thomasjerome on Apr 5, 2024 16:41:38 GMT
For as much of a "star" as he is, Tom Cruise, when he's "acting", has always seemed very generous and willing to let someone else steal the scene. We haven't seen that side of him in awhile though... Indeed, his co-stars sometimes got nominated when he didn't (Jamie Foxx, Ken Watanabe).
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 5, 2024 16:43:59 GMT
Another great one, who never got enough credit is Michael Douglas. It's noticible to me that even though he's an extremely powerful and charismatic screen actor, he was also willing to cede room to co-stars like Glenn Close or Sharon Stone or Matt Damon.
The video of him giving 110% in his performance to Glenn Close's screen test for Fatal Attraction speaks somewhat to that. Douglas has his back to camera, so you can't even see his face most of the time, but you can tell he's giving the best performance he can give, so Close can nail her screen test by having a real performance to react against. He doesn't need to go as hard as he does for someone else's screentest. A lotta actors would do the bare minimum in this situation.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 5, 2024 16:49:46 GMT
For as much of a "star" as he is, Tom Cruise, when he's "acting", has always seemed very generous and willing to let someone else steal the scene. We haven't seen that side of him in awhile though... His whole '89 campaign was based on this idea that he was the glue for 2 GOATS - Newman and Hoffman - both winners and many ranked him as "better".......... and in Born on the Fourth of July he was kind of now having his showy Oscar turn
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Post by wallsofjericho on Apr 5, 2024 18:11:36 GMT
Philip Seymour Hoffman.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 5, 2024 18:24:24 GMT
It's really good to hear actual testimonials like this, where people actually articulate why or how an actor is making such a difference to the work of actors around them. I think it feels far too simplistic to overly credit another actor for their "generosity" just because their co-star got nomimated for or won an award. I do think most good actors though, in a very generic sense, make other actors better. Acting is reacting, so the more you get from the actors around you, generally speaking, the better you'll be.
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Post by futuretrunks on Apr 5, 2024 18:40:19 GMT
Definitely not Daniel Day-Lewis.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 5, 2024 18:43:43 GMT
Definitely not Daniel Day-Lewis. Or after a certain point in his career, definitely not Marlon Brando. He could be very selfish and self-centered on set. Rod Steiger told a story about how he could never forgive Brando, after he stayed to act with Brando for his close-up in On The Waterfront (to give Brando a real performance to react to), and when it came time for Steiger's close-ups, Brando just left the set and they had to get a stand-up to read Brando's lines to Steiger.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 5, 2024 19:17:18 GMT
Definitely not Daniel Day-Lewis. Not really ^.......got a decent # of nods for others - TLJ, Postlethwaite, Fricker (win), Cruz, Ryder ........I mean you can say he was a ball hog but the interacting with Postlethwaite specifically is fairly all-timerish and that's off of 19 films........I am not saying he was Clift but he's not really an example in reverse based on the work itself..........that TWBB thing of him blowing everyone of the screen clouds the perception of him in this type of question imo
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 5, 2024 19:31:17 GMT
Definitely not Daniel Day-Lewis. Not really ^.......got a decent # of nods for others - TLJ, Postlethwaite, Fricker (win), Cruz, Ryder ........I mean you can say he was a ball hog but the interacting with Postlethwaite specifically is fairly all-timerish and that's off of 19 films........I am not saying he was Clift but he's not really an example in reverse based on the work itself..........that TWBB thing of him blowing everyone of the screen clouds the perception of him in this type of question imo And I'd say he provides a ton for Krieps and Manville to work off in Phantom Thread.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 5, 2024 19:58:50 GMT
Vicky Kreips actually said she found the circus around Day-Lewis (where basically everyone on set was treating him as a God because of his "great thespian" reputation) to be silly and annoying. She came prepared and did the work. I think she was as good as she was because Paul Thomas Anderson cast her correctly and she knew what she was doing, in spite of DDL, not neccesarily because of him. DDL gives other actors ( and Krieps) something to react to in his scenes, but that's the bare minimum any good actor should be doing and doesn't really merit special commendation
Liam Neeson also said he found DDL's approach more annoying than helpful on the set of Gangs Of New York ( brief performance by Neeson, but he was terrific).
I don't think DDL got Oscar nominations for other actors just by being him. That's a function of a lot of things. Good casting, the ability and commitment of the actor themselves, directing, the script and the role itself. You can be a selfish lead actor who isn't really supporting your co-stars and other well prepared actors around you can still get Oscar nominations or wins. I've always found that belief a bit silly. You need to hear what other actors say about the experience working with someone and what their own preparations were, as opposed to just looking at the end result and presume they got an Oscar nod or win because the lead actor was generous enough to allow them to have it.
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Post by franklin on Apr 5, 2024 20:45:42 GMT
Leonardo DiCaprio in Killers of The Flower Moon.
He enhanced Gladstone and DeNiro's performances.
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Post by Archie on Apr 5, 2024 20:48:37 GMT
Leonardo DiCaprio in Killers of The Flower Moon. He enhanced Gladstone and DeNiro's performances.
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Post by stephen on Apr 5, 2024 20:57:36 GMT
Leonardo DiCaprio in Killers of The Flower Moon. He enhanced Gladstone and DeNiro's performances. This gif works on so many levels.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 5, 2024 21:02:14 GMT
Vicky Kreips actually said she found the circus around Day-Lewis (where basically everyone on set was treating him as a God because of his "great thespian" reputation) to be silly and annoying. She came prepared and did the work. I think she was as good as she was because Paul Thomas Anderson cast her correctly and she knew what she was doing, in spite of DDL, not neccesarily because of him. DDL gives other actors ( and Krieps) something to react to in his scenes, but that's the bare minimum any good actor should be doing and doesn't really merit special commendation Liam Neeson also said he found DDL's approach more annoying than helpful on the set of Gangs Of New York ( brief performance by Neeson, but he was terrific) . I don't think DDL got Oscar nominations for other actors just by being him. That's a function of a lot of things. Good casting, the ability and commitment of the actor themself, directing, the script and the role itself. You can be a selfish lead actor who isn't really supporting your co-stars and other well prepared actors around you can still get Oscar nominations or wins. I've always found that belief a bit silly. You need to hear what other actors say about the experience working with someone and what their own preparations were, as opposed to just looking at the end result and presume they got an Oscar nod or win because the lead actor was generous enough to allow them to have it. I don't presume an actor is generous just because their co-stars get nominated. When I talk about an actor's generosity, it has everything to do with how the choices they are making within a scene allow room for the other actor to make choices in turn. Sometimes an actor is just doing their own thing and not really working to be a unit with the larger ensemble (Jared Leto in Suicide Squad is the first to come to mind), which DDL can be accused of to some degree with TWBB (though I think that is in line with the character and that aspect is disarmed in the "I hate most people" scene for character reasons).
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