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Post by TylerDeneuve on Apr 1, 2024 0:55:50 GMT
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Apr 1, 2024 1:09:54 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 1, 2024 1:20:04 GMT
Wow.....Gerard Depardieu really kickstarted the French #MeToo movement.
Crazy.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Apr 1, 2024 1:26:09 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 1, 2024 1:46:53 GMT
I always say Depardieu was formally charged in Dec 2020 - I'd be surprised if that case sees the light of a courtroom in that specific instence - though others are being investigated but he's not yet charged...... The interesting thing in France is the behavior / industry overlap...and nowadays in the US our PoS Mr Convicted Coffee Mug - lost his career outside the industry
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Apr 1, 2024 1:53:45 GMT
pacinoyes pupdurcs - Hoping to avoid another runaway thread... Depardieu certainly did not "kickstart" the French MeToo movement, and Jonathan Majors has nothing to do with Godrèche or Jacquot. Let's keep it real.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 1, 2024 2:15:24 GMT
pacinoyes - Hoping to avoid another runaway thread... Depardieu certainly did not "kickstart" the French MeToo movement, and Jonathan Majors has nothing to do with Godrèche or Jacquot. Let's keep it real. Some of the comments in that clip about Polanski are a bit disingenuos - - it isn't so much that France felt what he did happened "a long time ago" but rather it predated an extradition agreement........it's a loophole basically and he's a French citizen.......I mean the Swiss refused to extradict him based on legal matters not merely the date when it happened......if France were to arrest Polanski and extradict him it would be genuinely shocking........ I mean it would be an uproar I'd imagine Sorry - also not Godreche or Jacquot but that was a bit of a surface take on Polanski avoiding extradition all these years......
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Apr 1, 2024 2:33:25 GMT
pacinoyes - Oh, I certainly agree that the Polanski case is clouded with misinformation and hearsay... it can be hard to have a meaningful discussion about it for that very reason. But you can't deny that France had to change its stance once Haenel stormed out of that Césars ceremony... You saw a complete overhaul of the Césars in response to that.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 1, 2024 2:34:27 GMT
pacinoyes pupdurcs - Hoping to avoid another runaway thread... Depardieu certainly did not "kickstart" the French MeToo movement, and Jonathan Majors has nothing to do with Godrèche or Jacquot. Let's keep it real. I think my assertion that Depardieu, who has lliterally been top of the French national news agenda for months, can be considered a significant reason, why more cases come forward and why their is a change of attitude towards these historical sexual assault claims in France. Adele Haenel had to retire because she felt her stance on sexual assault and abuse in the French film industry was not being taken seriously enough. I don't discount her struggles or activism, but this has only become part of the French national agenda since that documentary on Depardieu was released last December. My claim and belief is actually relevant to this thread and this situation. Even you mentioned Depardieu first, before I entered the thread. Comparing it to Jonathan Majors, who has fuck all to do with this at all is ridiculous. Pacinoyes is just acting like 9 year old child, because he somehow thinks mentioning Majors bothers me ( hint: it doesn't ). I know you are trying to be diplomatic and you don't want to piss off Pac , but only one of us needed addressing, and it's not me. I'm on topic. He isn't .
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Apr 1, 2024 2:37:32 GMT
pacinoyes pupdurcs - Hoping to avoid another runaway thread... Depardieu certainly did not "kickstart" the French MeToo movement, and Jonathan Majors has nothing to do with Godrèche or Jacquot. Let's keep it real. I don't discount her struggles or activism, but this has only become part of the French national agenda since that documentary on Depardieu was released last December. Please see my video in response to pacinoyes above... The Césars completely overhauled their system of governance in response to Haenel and Polanski in 2020... She is generally seen as the "face" of the MeToo movement in France.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 1, 2024 2:41:32 GMT
pacinoyes - Oh, I certainly agree that the Polanski case is clouded with misinformation and hearsay... it can be hard to have a meaningful discussion about it for that very reason. But you can't deny that France had to change its stance once Haenel stormed out of that Césars ceremony... You saw a complete overhaul of the Césars in response to that. Oh I'll go even further than that - that was one of the great pieces of recent performative protest - Haenel pretty much knew he would win that night - attended to protest specifically if he won - and gave a "performance" when he did......I'm not saying that wasn't what she felt but she played to the moment. Not a publicity stunt - that's going too far................. but elements of one were in that behavior That's what was so surprising to me about her retiring from the industry.......the most impact she could have had was IN the industry imo........
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 1, 2024 2:45:00 GMT
I don't discount her struggles or activism, but this has only become part of the French national agenda since that documentary on Depardieu was released last December. Please see my video in response to pacinoyes above... The Césars completely overhauled their system of governance in response to Haenel and Polanski in 2020... She is generally seen as the "face" of the MeToo movement in France. No one is saying Haenel didn't make a difference. But Weinstein impacted society at large, not just the Oscars ( or Ceasars). There is a huge difference in impact and scale we are talking about. I believe this discourse around Depardieu has impacted French Society in a way Haenel's activism, while important, wasn't big enough to do. There's levels to this thing. Depardieu has been part of the daily French news agenda for months. Haenel got some attention, but it was nothing close to what is happening now. The Depardieu thing is too big to big dismissed or ignored by the common man in France.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Apr 1, 2024 2:55:17 GMT
pupdurcs - I can't disagree that his is the bigger story... he's the bigger star... but to say that he "kickstarted" it is demonstrably false and definitely appeared to be an invitation for pacinoyes to yet another brawl. Again... let's keep it real. Back to the subject at hand... Are you all surprised to learn of these allegations? I'm wondering if he also assaulted Virginie Ledoyen?
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 1, 2024 3:08:25 GMT
pupdurcs - I can't disagree that his is the bigger story... he's the bigger star... but to say that he "kickstarted" it is demonstrably false and definitely appeared to be an invitation for pacinoyes to yet another brawl. Again... let's keep it real. Back to the subject at hand... Are you all surprised to learn of these allegations? I'm wondering if he also assaulted Virginie Ledoyen? I don't accept that at all. This is a topic about Sexual Assault in the French Film Industry. You mentioned Depardieu before I even got on the thread. Pacinoyes is not a fucking God, and you need to stop treating him as such. If you want to tread around eggshells because of his ego, that's up to you. But me talking about Depardieu kickstarting this or that is not an invitation for him to do anything. It was extremely relevant to this topic and thread. End of story. That's me "keeping it real". The allegations against Jacquot are a surprise to an extent, but mainly because I don't follow his career/life enough to know what other scandals he may have been enveloped in previously.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Apr 1, 2024 12:35:10 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 1, 2024 13:33:02 GMT
I really wish that when newspapers write this "with Jacquot was well known within the industry; the director, who would later date several other teenage actresses, has bragged about being allowed to break the law, to the admiration of his male peers.
They would at least provide context - I'm not defending Jacquot but how can you just throw that out there without provinding a quote or naming "who exactly was impressed" or something........even the tone of the POV is too on the nose misleading "dating several other teenage actresses" - like what 18 year olds? 17? 14 year olds?
I am pretty sure age of consent is 15?
Btw that Polanski lawsuit is a pretty huge suit because he specifically encouraged the lawsuit instead of ignoring the claim - that's a civil suit so if that case gets settled out of court it looks less persuasive than if Polanski loses it - I assume there's a lot of pressure on the plaintiff not to settle......
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Apr 1, 2024 14:19:18 GMT
pacinoyes - The actual OpEd on the Post's website does provide links to these instances - sorry that doesn't translate with copy and paste.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 1, 2024 14:39:06 GMT
Oh, so I wasn't off-base at all, considering this article points out the Gerard Depardieu documentary last year , as what "tipped the balance" in France to bring historical sexual abuse in the French film industry properly into the national consciousness, despite the brave actions of Adele Haenel and other women after her to try and do just that. Thanks for the article. Very insightful.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Apr 2, 2024 17:34:03 GMT
I should note that while Jacquot has acknowledged Godrèche's account to be true, Jacques Doillon is denying the allegations brought forth not just by Godrèche, but also Anna Mouglalis and Islid Le Besco. His invitation to be chair of the jury at the Tours Film Festival was rescinded, and his upcoming film CE2 has been postponed.
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