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Post by TylerDeneuve on Mar 27, 2024 12:34:46 GMT
This is my last Polanski poll, I promise! (For a while.) Are you surprised there are only 4 performances listed here? 2 wins, though...
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Post by stephen on Mar 27, 2024 12:39:26 GMT
1. Dunaway 2. Gordon 3. Nicholson 4. Brody
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Post by JangoB on Mar 27, 2024 12:47:57 GMT
1. Nicholson 2. Brody 3. Dunaway 4. Gordon
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 27, 2024 14:58:30 GMT
This is my last Polanski poll, I promise! (For a while.) Are you surprised there are only 4 performances listed here? 2 wins, though...This week someone - said THIS "Roman Polanski is nowhere near being one of the 4 most revered directors alive ".
Now I dunno about that but I can tell you - Roman Polanski is certainly a million fucking places higher on the all time GOAT directors list than Tony Scott (RIP) and small time midget Spike Lee ......and those 2 guys have 2 combined performance nods - and 0 wins ffs On the other hand John Huston got robbed by The Godfather Part 2 eating up 3 spots and still not finding room for Cazale OR Duvall .........hmmmmm....... Dunaway is my favorite performance.......If anybody thinks Jake Gittes is the "hero" of Chinatown, you have imo - misread the movie - or at least "surface level" read it only ........now I may be putting too much into the character rather performance .........but that's why favorite is such an awesome word........ Get it MAR? Grrrrrrrrrr
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Mar 27, 2024 15:30:10 GMT
This week someone - said THIS "Roman Polanski is nowhere near being one of the 4 most revered directors alive ".Yeah, I think the only way you could have that view is if you're unable to separate the man and the art... Which is fine - that's not the view I take, but I understand the outrage. I just can't imagine that there is any other living director (other than Scorsese, Spielberg, and Coppola) who has films like Rosemary's Baby and Chinatown - i.e. completely different genres, equally revered by film critics/historians and general audiences, etc.
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Post by ibbi on Mar 27, 2024 15:59:12 GMT
Nicholson. All the wit and most of the exposition in the screenplay is tasked to him, and it's all so goddamn effortlessly unfurled. It'd be a much less smooth and successful movie without his performance.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 27, 2024 16:17:11 GMT
an excellent group. I'll say Dunaway just a smidge over Nicholson.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 27, 2024 16:41:46 GMT
This is my last Polanski poll, I promise! (For a while.) Are you surprised there are only 4 performances listed here? 2 wins, though...This week someone - said THIS "Roman Polanski is nowhere near being one of the 4 most revered directors alive ".
Now I dunno about that but I can tell you - Roman Polanski is certainly a million fucking places higher on the all time GOAT directors list than Tony Scott (RIP) and small time midget Spike Lee ......and those 2 guys have 2 combined performance nods - and 0 wins ffs On the other hand John Huston got robbed by The Godfather Part 2 eating up 3 spots and still not finding room for Cazale OR Duvall .........hmmmmm....... Dunaway is my favorite performance.......If anybody thinks Jake Gittes is the "hero" of Chinatown, you have imo - misread the movie - or at least "surface level" read it only ........now I may be putting too much into the character rather performance .........but that's why favorite is such an awesome word........ Get it MAR? Grrrrrrrrrr Referencing me huh. I'll bite You should appreciate this, since it comes from your a couple of favorite sources, World Of Reel and "anti-wokester" Jeffrey Wells.
As of 2022, when this was compiled, The top 10 most taught/assigned filmmakers ( dead or alive) in US film schools are: 1) Alfred Hitchcock2) Orson Welles3) Stanley Kubrick4) Steven Spielberg5) Akira Kurosawa6) Dziga Vertov7) SPIKE LEE8) Charlie Chaplin9) Jean Luc Godard10) Martin Scorsesewww.worldofreel.com/blog/2022/9/zho50ejuy6y0asuwo5urdzr6ew1wgxI'm sure you will find some excuse to disregard or discredit this, as accepting reality has never been your forte, but in the real fucking world, in film schools and many other arenas, Spike Lee is a more "revered" director than Roman Polanski. You'll find a dozen or so people in the MAR bubble to agree with you otherwise, but that's life. I can find you a bunch of GOAT director lists/polls where Lee tops Polanski, but again, as long as you can find a dozen people or so here to agree with your stance, you'll die a happy man
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 27, 2024 16:48:21 GMT
This week someone - said THIS "Roman Polanski is nowhere near being one of the 4 most revered directors alive ".Yeah, I think the only way you could have that view is if you're unable to separate the man and the art... Which is fine - that's not the view I take, but I understand the outrage. Not really. This is me separating art from artist. I can provide stats ( like which directors are actually being taught most in film schools) to back up my viewpoint. I'm not even saying Polanski isn't a great director. But I am saying you are grossly overestimating the level of reverence he is held in ( and that's not a big deal in isolation. Maybe you are on a Polanski kick at the moment). He's respected among cinephiles, but top 4 alive feels like really massive reach. Especially among younger generations being taught film, I don't think he has anywhere as much currency as you believe. For me, he's similar to Terrence Malick in that the reverence he was held in peaked in the 2000's or so (with The Pianist), and has been tapering off ever since. He's not like Spielberg, Hitchcock, Kurowosa, Scorsese and even Lee (Spike, not Ang) where his style and body of work is so singular, that he's essential to film theory being taught.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 27, 2024 17:02:20 GMT
As for the actual subject of this thread ( which I was unceremoniously dragged into because of comments I made outside this thread ), Adrian Brody gives a brilliant performance in The Pianist that fully deserved to win the Best Actor Oscar. He's my vote.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 27, 2024 17:11:56 GMT
Revered - feel deep respect or admiration for (something).
taught - show or explain to (someone) how to do something.How are these 2 words used as direct synonyms here ......I am quite certain a black contemporary American man with all his films IN English is taught more in liberal US film schools than a 90 year Polish filmmaker with Polanski's history ........ moron........ "Accepting reality isn't MY forte?" Like 24 > 22 for example, or 5 Triple Crown wins vs. 3 you mean? Yeah that's what I thought.......
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Mar 27, 2024 17:15:33 GMT
I definitely can't refute that Spike Lee is taught in film schools, but the only film he's ever made that could even come close to any of Polanski's major efforts is Do the Right Thing, and even that is nowhere near as beloved by general audiences/famous/seeped into popular culture as Rosemary's Baby or Chinatown...
I'm not coming for anyone here... it's just that I genuinely can't wrap my head around the idea that Lee is more revered than Polanski.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 27, 2024 17:18:12 GMT
Bullshit and excuses, just as expected Dziga Vertov was born in the 19th century, yet he managed to get in the top 10 due to his sheer impact on film form.
That's why Lee is there, alongside directors like Spielberg, Hitchcock, Welles, Kubrick and Kurowosa, most of them long dead. Lee changed film form in a way someone like Polanski, never came close to.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 27, 2024 17:50:50 GMT
I definitely can't refute that Spike Lee is taught in film schools, but the only film he's ever made that could even come close to any of Polanski's major efforts is Do the Right Thing, and even that is nowhere near as beloved by general audiences as Rosemary's Baby or Chinatown... I'm not coming for anyone here... it's just that I genuinely can't wrap my head around the idea that Lee is more revered than Polanski. I need facts, not feelings. You like Polanski more than Lee, so that's how you feel. And that's fine if it's just a personal judgement. But that's not how things are in more objective terms, from the information I've gotten. The guy who just won the Best Director and Best Picture Oscar, and arguably the most successful auteur of the last 20 years, Christopher Nolan recently called Lee one of his "idols", yet some people are having a hard time wrapping their heads around Lee being more revered than Polanski in many circles . To me, that is odd. I'd put Do The Right Thing, 25th Hour, Malcolm X on par with anything Polanski has done. And I think Lee just has a deeper bench of first-rate films than Polanski. Da 5 Bloods, BlackKklansman, Inside Man, He Got Game, Crooklyn and many more. But again, that's personal feeling. I also find it possibly the worst timing to claim Polanski is one of the 4 most revered directors alive, when he's about to release the worst reviewed film of his career, The Palace, which debuted to 0% on Rotten Tomatoes when it came out on the festival circuit last year. It's now up to 6% on RT with 17 reviews. I can only imagine the absolute shredding directors like Lee or Ridley Scott would get here if their most recent release posted a score like that. They are held to a higher standard than Polanski I believe, regardless of age. There's a lot of rose tinted glasses and nostalgia with Polanski at the minute on MAR, imho. But again, I'm trying not be too judgy, as I can see that you are on a Polanski kick at the moment.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Mar 27, 2024 18:13:25 GMT
pupdurcs - The Palace wasn't even able to find theatrical distribution in France, so I think Polanski's film career is really and truly done at this point. I mean, if France of all places won't even show his films... The Césars ceremony where Adèle Haenel (the face of the MeToo movement in France) stormed out after his win was the end... Violent protests also occurred outside the venue where the awards were held... The way he was protected and revered in France up until that point was even used as a sign by women's rights activists to point to the intensity of the patriarchy in French culture. I think he's untouchable now. This video did a great job of breaking everything down:
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 27, 2024 18:13:35 GMT
I need facts, not feelings.You need a therapist.......you need to get laid........you need to have a beer.....you need to learn the English language and the definition of words....you need to learn being taught in school is a component of a metric but not the "revered" metric itself you moron Facts.....not feelings below..........now go chase yourself ......we are busy celebrating your annihilation with a Black Mass Best Director Oscars : Polanski 1, Lee 0 BAFTA Best Director Wins : Polanski 2, Lee 0 Palme D'or Wins : Polanski 1, Lee 0 Cesar Best Director Awards Won: Polanski 5, Lee 0
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 27, 2024 18:20:36 GMT
pupdurcs - The Palace wasn't even able to find theatrical distribution in France, so I think Polanski's film career is really and truly done at this point. I mean, if France of all places won't even show his films... The Césars ceremony where Adèle Haenel (the face of the MeToo movement in France) stormed out after his win was the end... Violent protests also occurred outside the venue where the awards were held... The way he was protected and revered in France up until that point was even used as a sign by women's rights activists to point to the intensity of the patriarchy in French culture. I think he's untouchable now. This video did a great job of breaking everything down: The Palace has just gotten French/European distribution. Polanski will be able to keep making films till he's dead, and get funding and distribution till he's dead, so I'm not going to throw a pity party for the man . The fact that he still got distribution with reviews that awful shows that his career is in in zero danger.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Mar 27, 2024 18:46:48 GMT
pupdurcs - I wasn't aware that the film had very recently found French distribution, so I was merely stating what I knew to be a fact in that post - I definitely wasn't throwing him a pity party.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 27, 2024 18:51:08 GMT
1. Dunaway 2. Gordon 3. Nicholson 4. Brody This might be my order as well, give or take swapping Gordon and Nicholson.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 27, 2024 19:06:48 GMT
pupdurcs - I wasn't aware that the film had very recently found French distribution, so I was merely stating what I knew to be a fact in that post - I definitely wasn't throwing him a pity party. Fair enough!
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 27, 2024 19:41:11 GMT
This week someone - said THIS "Roman Polanski is nowhere near being one of the 4 most revered directors alive ".
Now I dunno about that but I can tell you - Roman Polanski is certainly a million fucking places higher on the all time GOAT directors list than Tony Scott (RIP) and small time midget Spike Lee ......and those 2 guys have 2 combined performance nods - and 0 wins ffs On the other hand John Huston got robbed by The Godfather Part 2 eating up 3 spots and still not finding room for Cazale OR Duvall .........hmmmmm....... Dunaway is my favorite performance.......If anybody thinks Jake Gittes is the "hero" of Chinatown, you have imo - misread the movie - or at least "surface level" read it only ........now I may be putting too much into the character rather performance .........but that's why favorite is such an awesome word........ Get it MAR? Grrrrrrrrrr Referencing me huh. I'll bite You should appreciate this, since it comes from your a couple of favorite sources, World Of Reel and "anti-wokester" Jeffrey Wells.
As of 2022, when this was compiled, The top 10 most taught/assigned filmmakers ( dead or alive) in US film schools are: 1) Alfred Hitchcock2) Orson Welles3) Stanley Kubrick4) Steven Spielberg5) Akira Kurosawa6) Dziga Vertov7) SPIKE LEE8) Charlie Chaplin9) Jean Luc Godard10) Martin Scorsesewww.worldofreel.com/blog/2022/9/zho50ejuy6y0asuwo5urdzr6ew1wgxI'm sure you will find some excuse to disregard or discredit this, as accepting reality has never been your forte, but in the real fucking world, in film schools and many other arenas, Spike Lee is a more "revered" director than Roman Polanski. You'll find a dozen or so people in the MAR bubble to agree with you otherwise, but that's life. I can find you a bunch of GOAT director lists/polls where Lee tops Polanski, but again, as long as you can find a dozen people or so here to agree with your stance, you'll die a happy man But are you or are you not taking into account recency bias? It's TRUE as you say Polanski hasnt captivated 2nd or 3rd generation audiences after his heyday post Chinatown as much as Lee might have garnered some more recent attention, but during his heyday Polanski was more revered than Lee at any point. And..... taught in film schools is based on factors like racial demographics within the school, politics, director name noticeability (how big he is...like Kurosawa is the go-to Japanese name as Spike is the go-to black name), and sometimes it's just a thing within each individual school system. USC teaches Wilder more as opposed to NYU teaches Kurosawa more. And in that case, Lee probably wins in every metric, and Tarantino would beat nearly everyone in film school teachings. But again, how limited is the scope of film school teachings?
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 27, 2024 19:56:08 GMT
: 1) Alfred Hitchcock2) Orson Welles3) Stanley Kubrick4) Steven Spielberg5) Akira Kurosawa6) Dziga Vertov7) SPIKE LEE8) Charlie Chaplin9) Jean Luc Godard10) Martin Scorsese It's TRUE as you say Polanski hasnt captivated 2nd or 3rd generation audiences after his heyday post Chinatown as much as Lee might have garnered some more recent attention, but during his heyday Polanski was more revered than Lee at any point. Yeah. How after George Floyd AND BLM can people be surprised at where Lee places? On College campuses? That doesn't mean he's "revered" as a filmmaker ......it means he's an instructive teaching tool in class ffs Stupid shit..........
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 27, 2024 20:16:07 GMT
It's TRUE as you say Polanski hasnt captivated 2nd or 3rd generation audiences after his heyday post Chinatown as much as Lee might have garnered some more recent attention, but during his heyday Polanski was more revered than Lee at any point. Yeah. How after George Floyd AND BLM can people be surprised at where Lee places? On College campuses? That doesn't mean he's "revered" as a filmmaker ......it means he's an instructive teaching tool in class ffs Stupid shit.......... Well....urbanpatrician directors are Marker, Mann, Coppola, Bunuel, and Hitchcock. If the majority of film schools havent even heard of Marker, say Mann hasnt been relevant since the early 00s, and too limited for Bunuel then film schools are essentially an extension of this board. So what's different?...I'm missing something here Remembering Forgot About Dre. Ya'll been forgetting about Roman. Ya'll been forgetting about Dunst. Ya'll been forgetting most people who haven't been very active in the 2010s outside of PTA, Scorsese, Spielberg, Nolan, Tarantino, ScarJo, DiCaprio, Phoenix, DDL, and Stone. And as for the George Floyd thing....well you can chalk this up to film schools having lots of black students. When I go see Asian movies or white movies, I dont see only Asians or Whites. But when I saw Dreamgirls in '06...they were ALL black people watching it. And it was a whiteish part of town I lived in. Not to make this a racial thing, but the general black people are fucking gonna dig black things. Lol.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 27, 2024 20:30:45 GMT
Yeah. How after George Floyd AND BLM can people be surprised at where Lee places? On College campuses? That doesn't mean he's "revered" as a filmmaker ......it means he's an instructive teaching tool in class ffs Stupid shit.......... Remembering Forgot About Dre. Ya'll been forgetting about Roman. Ya'll been forgetting about Dunst. Ya'll been forgetting most people who haven't been very active in the 2010s outside of PTA, Scorsese, Spielberg, Nolan, Tarantino, ScarJo, DiCaprio, Phoenix, DDL, and Stone. This is really right ^ - and I can guarantee you in "Film School" you are way more likely to study Wajda than Polanski because Wajda (or Kieslowski!) is the Polish director more expressly social / political filmmaker who diddn't fnck a 13 year old.........it's just the way it is - but what it means isn't what was said in tha Spike Lee fellating post - at all....... Btw - somewhat back on topic TylerDeneuve what is the best non-nominated Polanski performance to you - Huston, Deneuve, Polanski himself (The Tenant), Weaver in Death & The Maiden, Farrow..........more non-nominated good ones than those nominated
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Mar 27, 2024 20:41:45 GMT
pacinoyes - It's definitely Mia Farrow in Rosemary's Baby for me, with Catherine Deneuve in Repulsion a close second. By the way, I thought this was a pretty good list of the 15 greatest performances in his films! I personally rate Sidney Blackmer higher than Cassavetes in Rosemary's Baby, but I get the placement. 1. Jack Nicholson, Chinatown2. Adrien Brody, The Pianist3. Catherine Deneuve, Repulsion4. Mia Farrow, Rosemary's Baby5. Ruth Gordon, Rosemary's Baby6. Faye Dunaway, Chinatown7. John Cassavetes, Rosemary's Baby8. John Huston, Chinatown9. Emmanuelle Seigner, Venus in Fur10. Sigourney Weaver, Death and the Maiden11. Thomas Kretschmann, The Pianist12. Nastassja Kinski, Tess13. Olivia Williams, The Ghost Writer14. Roman Polanski, The Tenant15. Jolanta Umecka, Knife in the Water
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