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Post by TylerDeneuve on Mar 26, 2024 13:04:47 GMT
Which of these films, widely considered to be the greatest films about the Holocaust ever made*, do you personally prefer?
*Here I am of course generalizing and considering wide audience appeal - my personal favorite is Louis Malle's Au revoir les enfants. Also, Spielberg's calling The Zone of Interest the best film about the Holocaust since Schindler's List (omitting The Pianist) seemed to generate some controversy? Let's discuss.
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Post by stephen on Mar 26, 2024 13:08:07 GMT
I do prefer Schindler's List, but I will admit that The Pianist is due for a rewatch.
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Post by JangoB on Mar 26, 2024 13:10:50 GMT
Both are masterpieces, Schindler's List is just a bit masterpiecier.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 26, 2024 13:25:06 GMT
Schindler's List is a great film that becomes less great as it nears its ending .........and after a while you start to feel that it can not compete with the horrors you are NOT seeing - it gets dwarfed by history as I always say... The Pianist......however gets better as it goes along and more ironic and in typical Polanski fashion more dependent on twists of fate and luck....... The Pianist is less about the "Holocaust experience" and more about a particular, specific experience .....it is peerless in this way...........and the actual film that is more "like" it actually is 12YAS ....... Schindler's List has a scene in it - it's best scene - that would fit perfectly in THe Pianist.......when the shower malfunctions......THe Pianist in its unwavering intellectual component is somewhat like the great book I read last year Death of the Adversary - which is written in the 1950s and which seems so much removed from its topic it becomes encroachingly more about it.........which is odd to say the least......  |
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Mar 26, 2024 13:38:14 GMT
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Post by stabcaesar on Mar 26, 2024 13:52:05 GMT
The Pianist by a thousand miles. I can't stand Schindler's List.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 26, 2024 13:56:13 GMT
I actually find Haneke's POV closer to my own - however as is often the case with any theoretical PoV he goes too far with it  .....the fact is that the film exists and as a work of Art to call it "unspeakable" makes sense but does not with how spectacularly it is done....... The reason I say that shower scene is the best scene in SL is because it is the only time Spielberg is acting "like" Polanski - ....it is the only time I think in the film where what happens on screen contradicts what we are seeing....ie it's mere "good luck" that they are granted a few more hours to live and we are implicated in cheering (so to speak) at NOT having to see it......the next time the shower won't malfunctio of course...... the "good luck" is cruel.......unforgiving............and inevitable It's a very Polanski scene to me........the only time the film allows you to fill in the gaps in what is happening........it's one of the most acult scenes Spielberg ever filmed I think.......an I'm not a huge fan of his either.......  |
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Mar 26, 2024 14:13:04 GMT
pacinoyes - I definitely prefer your take on that scene as opposed to Haneke's "it's played for suspense" version - I really appreciate you expanding on your thoughts! Anyway, I definitely prefer Malle's film to both of these, and think it's the greatest WWII/Holocaust film ever made... 
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Post by Nikan on Mar 26, 2024 14:19:35 GMT
It's so weird when it comes to choose between these two for me. Schindler's is objectively "greater" I think... but The Pianist rates higher in the "heart" factor... it's more natural and less polished, which is why it gets my vote.
(To quote that guy in The Ghost Writer): "Remember: Heart. "
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Post by countjohn on Mar 26, 2024 17:00:13 GMT
Schindler's but its closer than most people think. Both top 100 of all time somewhere.
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Post by paulgallo on Mar 26, 2024 20:17:23 GMT
Always had the same opinion as Haneke on that shower scene. That cringe-worthy ending is also peak Spielberg schmaltz. Polanski on the other hand doesn't hit a wrong note.
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.....the fact is that the film exists and as a work of Art to call it "unspeakable" makes sense but does not with how spectacularly it is done.......
