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Post by countjohn on Mar 12, 2024 4:05:19 GMT
A lot of people don't care about the Oscars anymore, you can't even blame it on the films they nominate it. Two movies as big as Barbie and Oppenheimer up for BP plus a director like Nolan winning BD for the first time would have been a ratings juggernaut in the 90's or something.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 12, 2024 4:19:00 GMT
Al's real statement was "It was the fncking Ambien" Leave the old man alone you horrible, horrible monsters! deadline.com/2024/03/al-pacino-oscars-best-picture-statement-1235855336/comment-page-3/#comments“There seems to be some controversy about my not mentioning every film by name last night before announcing the best picture award,” Pacino said in a statement through his reps. “I just want to be clear it was not my intention to omit them, rather a choice by the producers not to have them said again since they were highlighted individually throughout the ceremony. I was honored to be a part of the evening and chose to follow the way they wished for this award to be presented.
“I realize being nominated is a huge milestone in one’s life, and to not be fully recognized is offensive and hurtful,” Pacino’s added Monday. “I say this as someone who profoundly relates with filmmakers, actors and producers, so I deeply empathize with those who have been slighted by this oversight, and it’s why I felt it necessary to make this statement."
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 12, 2024 4:38:45 GMT
That could be because there's lack of anyone there that most people 35+ care about. Emma Stone, Christopher Nolan, Greta Gerwig, Margot Robbie, Ryan Gosling were all not around in 1996. It's hard for people 35+ to be interested when none of their favorites from that behemoth 90s decade are being honored. Someone like Bullock, Hanks, Washington, Cruise, Roberts, Eastwood, Streep, or Cameron doing a big audience friendly movie could be the right bump. Of course it depends on the project.. which has to be major, audience friendly, and well liked enough. Not that it's gonna bring it back to 90s level, but it could be a sizable enough bump to get things back on track for coming years. People above 35+ are also more likely to turn on their TV for a family entertainment night. My parents don't give a damn about BarbieHeimer or Poor Things and I don't think they have any clue who Emma Stone is.
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Post by stabcaesar on Mar 12, 2024 4:54:18 GMT
Someone like Bullock, Hanks, Washington, Cruise, Roberts, Eastwood, Streep, or Cameron doing a big audience friendly movie could be the right bump. Of course it depends on the project.. which has to be major, audience friendly, and well liked enough. Not that it's gonna bring it back to 90s level, but it could be a sizable enough bump to get things back on track for coming years. Tom Cruise did a big audience friendly movie last year and the ratings were even lower than this year.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 12, 2024 4:56:42 GMT
A lot of people don't care about the Oscars anymore, you can't even blame it on the films they nominate it. Two movies as big as Barbie and Oppenheimer up for BP plus a director like Nolan winning BD for the first time would have been a ratings juggernaut in the 90's or something. There's a great thread to be made - but I don't have the energy to make it (that's a joke) - about the "highlightization" of all consumable entertainment......and how that loss of attention span has made the US at least dumber culturally, intellectually, cognitively......... ..the loss of a full immersive experience being reduced to highlights......being very pacinoyes-y here BUT: I tell people irl that the only way to grasp how amazing Caitlan Carter - who is better than any mere movie, pfffft - is and the phenomenon around her is to NOT watch highlights but to see her engineer a whole gane play by play - control pace, tempo, momentum.........some of the people I have told that to look at me like I just said hey let's go have sex in a church or something............ The veneer that movies are still "cool" (they most certainly are fucking not for some time now) is based far more on highlight reels and moments.......award shows about movies.......well moreso Caitlan Clark imitating Best Costume Presenter John Cena
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 12, 2024 5:00:34 GMT
Someone like Bullock, Hanks, Washington, Cruise, Roberts, Eastwood, Streep, or Cameron doing a big audience friendly movie could be the right bump. Of course it depends on the project.. which has to be major, audience friendly, and well liked enough. Not that it's gonna bring it back to 90s level, but it could be a sizable enough bump to get things back on track for coming years. Tom Cruise did a big audience friendly movie last year and the ratings were even lower than this year. It was no threat to win. One nomination (Best Picture)...... 0 acting nods. That being said, it probably was the biggest movie of the year. If it were a threat to win Best Picture with Tom Cruise the frontliner for Best Actor.... I'm betting things would've been different.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 12, 2024 8:15:17 GMT
One of these days I'm gonna get you a calendar with lingerie of each one of pacinoyes' Angels. Caitlin is your January. Kay Adams is your February. And CMAT is your March. Help me out here, guys.... on the rest.
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Post by franklin on Mar 12, 2024 10:28:57 GMT
Chris Nolan btw was very sweet to Pacino - hugged him deeply ..........in the way you hug your slightly drunk, slightly suffering from dementia Grandpa.......Nolan in every way acts the part now of distinguished auteur from once the boy wonder filmmaker .......it's hard to explain but the way he carries himself this whole season has been cool......... Nolan, cast Pacino again in your films, please. Especially now that Michael Caine has retired.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 12, 2024 11:28:48 GMT
One of these days I'm gonna get you a calendar with lingerie of each one of pacinoyes' Angels. Caitlin is your January. Kay Adams is your February. And CMAT is your March. Help me out here, guys.... on the rest. Thanks pal............Iga Świątek is my April........Kate Clover is my May.......etc..
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 12, 2024 12:30:47 GMT
Chris Nolan btw was very sweet to Pacino - hugged him deeply ..........in the way you hug your slightly drunk, slightly suffering from dementia Grandpa.......Nolan in every way acts the part now of distinguished auteur from once the boy wonder filmmaker .......it's hard to explain but the way he carries himself this whole season has been cool......... Nolan, cast Pacino again in your films, please. Especially now that Michael Caine has retired. I have a feeling that Nolan might not want to offer Pacino a supporting or small role out of respect for their initial collaboration. He first cast Pacino as a leading man in Insomnia, and that may be how he always sees that relationship between him and Pacino. That if he came to him now with a small part after first casting him as a lead, it might feel disrespectful. I mean, that may be the same reason we didn't see Christian Bale, Matthew McConaughey, Hugh Jackman or Leonardo DiCaprio or any of his other former leading men play supporting roles or cameos in Oppenheimer.
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Post by ibbi on Mar 12, 2024 12:51:48 GMT
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Post by stephen on Mar 12, 2024 12:56:31 GMT
I'd give anything for someone to digitally insert modern Pacino into the trilogy to replace Orlando Bloom. "I never thought I'd die fighting side-by-side with an elf." "How about side-by-side . . . with a FRIEND?"
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Mar 12, 2024 13:11:21 GMT
People's viewing habits and the way they choose to watch things have changed massively in the last 20 years. There could be millions of viewers who are watching the Oscars on an unofficial Twitch Stream, and those viewers will never be counted . I think it's impossible these days to get the ccomplete picture of how many people are watching the Oscars just by the broadcast telecast ratings. While that is true in relation to the 2000s, viewing habits haven’t changed that much since the 2010s. Streaming platforms were all available then but in 2014 the viewership was over 40 million. They have though. Even 10 years ago everyone I knew had cable. Now probably less than half do.
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Post by Martin Stett on Mar 12, 2024 13:44:08 GMT
People above 35+ are also more likely to turn on their TV for a family entertainment night. Nobody is gonna turn on family night for naked John Cena
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Post by Barbie on Mar 12, 2024 14:02:52 GMT
Al's real statement was "It was the fncking Ambien" Leave the old man alone you horrible, horrible monsters! deadline.com/2024/03/al-pacino-oscars-best-picture-statement-1235855336/comment-page-3/#comments“There seems to be some controversy about my not mentioning every film by name last night before announcing the best picture award,” Pacino said in a statement through his reps. “I just want to be clear it was not my intention to omit them, rather a choice by the producers not to have them said again since they were highlighted individually throughout the ceremony. I was honored to be a part of the evening and chose to follow the way they wished for this award to be presented.
“I realize being nominated is a huge milestone in one’s life, and to not be fully recognized is offensive and hurtful,” Pacino’s added Monday. “I say this as someone who profoundly relates with filmmakers, actors and producers, so I deeply empathize with those who have been slighted by this oversight, and it’s why I felt it necessary to make this statement."There wasn't even any controversy...are these publicists old too? People were only confused and many thought it was funny
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Post by Barbie on Mar 12, 2024 14:09:16 GMT
Those are pretty awful numbers. Even with much more popular nominees the ratings only grew marginally. People's viewing habits and the way they choose to watch things have changed massively in the last 20 years. There could be millions of viewers who are watching the Oscars on an unofficial Twitch Stream, and those viewers will never be counted . I think it's impossible these days to get the ccomplete picture of how many people are watching the Oscars just by the broadcast telecast ratings. Agreed. Some people might be watching social media personalities watch the show and react in real time.
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Post by Barbie on Mar 12, 2024 14:16:19 GMT
Also, I know some people complained when it was announced, but having the former winners do the nominees rules. We got to have Nic Cage praise Paul Giamatti! I still don't like the former winners doing all the acting nominees thing ( I also disliked it in 2007 or whenever they did it last). It's just a bit too self-congratulatory. Do we need to hear each individual acting nominee told now wonderful and talented they are, just so we get more celebrities on camera? And to do it at the expense of showing clips of the performances is almost unforgivable, imho. The audience watching should get to see a clip of all the performances and maybe it'll entice them to go watch some of the ones they haven't seen. People aren't going to be enticed to see Colman Domingo in Rustin just because Forrest Whitaker says what a good guy he is. Show a clip of the man's performance goddamnint! I'm totally with you. When I was a kid, the clips made me curious about some of the nominees' performances so I checked them out. And I 100% agree about the self-congratulatory thing. They're already at the Oscars where their categories are televised bc they're ~actors~ and perceived as the most important. Trotting out people on stage to praise them (and some of the praise sounds boilerplate and inauthentic) is super awkward.
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Post by wonky on Mar 12, 2024 16:04:44 GMT
I don't care if the clips are badly chosen or out of context, how is just talking about the performance any better?
They should do this for all the other categories. Make Roger Deakins describe Maestro's look to Matty Libatique.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Mar 12, 2024 16:15:58 GMT
How great were the awards this year? The attendees were in such good spirits and I loved their reactions to jokes. No usual awkwardness. Even the previous winner presentations to the nominees turned out better than last time and I'm a "show the clip" person. I had a good time watching and it was a great year for film, so I liked all the wins (whether they were my #1 choices or not).
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Post by dazed on Mar 12, 2024 22:29:22 GMT
sick to see nolan finally get his oscar. i’m mad happy to see murphy win his. dope to see him take advantage of the opportunity of getting a starring role in a nolan flick. he turned in one of his best performances in a career that’s filled with great ones.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Mar 13, 2024 6:09:10 GMT
Nolan, cast Pacino again in your films, please. Especially now that Michael Caine has retired. I have a feeling that Nolan might not want to offer Pacino a supporting or small role out of respect for their initial collaboration. He first cast Pacino as a leading man in Insomnia, and that may be how he always sees that relationship between him and Pacino. That if he came to him now with a small part after first casting him as a lead, it might feel disrespectful. I mean, that may be the same reason we didn't see Christian Bale, Matthew McConaughey, Hugh Jackman or Leonardo DiCaprio or any of his other former leading men play supporting roles or cameos in Oppenheimer.According to Pacino, Nolan did offer him a role in one of his films after Insomnia, but he turned it down. He doesn’t specify what film it was for, but I’ve seen a fair amount of people speculate that it could have been for Carmine Falcone in Batman Begins.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 13, 2024 8:19:52 GMT
I have a feeling that Nolan might not want to offer Pacino a supporting or small role out of respect for their initial collaboration. He first cast Pacino as a leading man in Insomnia, and that may be how he always sees that relationship between him and Pacino. That if he came to him now with a small part after first casting him as a lead, it might feel disrespectful. I mean, that may be the same reason we didn't see Christian Bale, Matthew McConaughey, Hugh Jackman or Leonardo DiCaprio or any of his other former leading men play supporting roles or cameos in Oppenheimer.According to Pacino, Nolan did offer him a role in one of his films after Insomnia, but he turned it down. He doesn’t specify what film it was for, but I’ve seen a fair amount of people speculate that it could have been for Carmine Falcone in Batman Begins. If it is the case where Nolan offered Pacino Carmine Falcone in Batman Begins, and Pacino turned it down, that may have been the point where Nolan realised that most successful leading actors have a certain level of ego, and if you start off working with them as a leading man and then you come back to try cast them in a smaller part, they might say no or get insulted that you offered them a smaller role. Directors also have egos and don't like being rejected, so there's that as well. This is all just spectaculating by the way, since none of us know the exact details. But it's a shame for Pacino that he didn't quite grasp how valuable it would be, especially as he got older to have someone as gifted as Nolan to be there to call on him whenever he was making a film. Pacino was such an acting icon, that he probably never thought the great roles and films would dry up for him. Seems he saw Nolan as just another good filmmaker he worked with, as opposed to a generational talent he should stick close to. Nolan may have been looking at Pacino later accepting terrible projects like 88 Minutes and Jack And Jill and thought, "serves him right for turning me down" ( Pacino himself is the one who says he thinks he pissed off Nolan by rejecting his offer btw) Pacino maybe should have taken the attitude Samuel L Jackson does with Quentin Tarantino. Jackson is basically like, I don't care what the role is or size of the role is, if Quentin gives me the call, I'm in. Because Jackson knew Tarantino was a generational talent as a filmmaker and would never lead him astray. I suspect that's the attitude Michael Caine took with Nolan till he retired, and that's why he always had a part for Caine ( and an especially great part in Alfred)
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 13, 2024 8:46:10 GMT
Idk why people are acting like the Oscar ratings are bad. Any increase in this day and age is a goddamn miracle, and the Oscars are still the most watched of the awards shows by a comfortable margin. The Oscars were the 3rd most watched non-football TV broadcast of last year after the State of the Union and the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade.
What the hell are people expecting if 20m is a disappointment? The Oscars are never going to be as big as they were 20-30+ years ago. The explosion of the internet and online streaming segmented culture into niches and allowed for easy access to alternative means of viewing media and/or viewing it after the fact.
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Post by sophiefox on Mar 16, 2024 20:02:55 GMT
very happy for Da'Vine & Emma.
that is all.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Mar 19, 2024 4:27:11 GMT
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