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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 5, 2024 17:40:37 GMT
it's 20+ years since she became the only African American Oscar winning Lead Actress.........at that time she then had an Oscar and an Emmy ......she was ~35. Widely considered one of the world's most beautiful women, she still works - still beautiful too - but no one is really excited about seeing her play a wife role in High and Low - I mean maybe they are....but come on not as excited as they are about who plays the other male lead besides Washington, right? What are yur favorite post-win performances? Did she "deserve" to win in the year she won? Best Actress
Halle Berry – Monster's Ball as Leticia Musgrove‡Judi Dench – Iris as Iris Murdoch Nicole Kidman – Moulin Rouge! as Satine Sissy Spacek – In the Bedroom as Ruth Fowler Renée Zellweger – Bridget Jones's Diary as Bridget Jones  |
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Mar 5, 2024 17:44:01 GMT
Things We Lost in the Fire (2007) is absolutely brilliant work from both her and Benicio Del Toro.
Of those nominees, I'd only rank Dench below her, but I do like her performance.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 5, 2024 17:46:51 GMT
She wouldn't be my win, but I don't begrudge it as she is really good in the movie.
For her best performances since, I think she's absolutely luminous in Cloud Atlas and wish she got more parts to really stretch her potential like that.
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Post by stephen on Mar 5, 2024 17:47:06 GMT
Deserve's got nothin' to do with it.
Anyway, it's a fine enough performance, but Spacek cleared the whole field that year (and Naomi Watts overall). Berry is a very good actress, especially her portrayal of Dorothy Dandridge (which I think gave her a lot of momentum leading up to the Oscar a couple years later) and as Tyler said, she does excellent work in Things We Lost in the Fire. I personally really like her a lot in Cloud Atlas as well, and her big showcase in that movie (the Luisa Rey storyline) shows she would crush a '70s-style espionage noir like Three Days of the Condor.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 5, 2024 20:11:18 GMT
Yeah.... but when you do things like Gothika and Catwoman..... 2 bombs of the highest order... it's enough to take a permanent damage to your legacy. That's also not counting the fact that Die Another Day while maybe not as bad as those 2..... is generally ranked in the bottom 5 Bonds.
Beyonce is the anti-Berry. In 2000 or 2001 both were equally popular. Both equally well known.... actually Berry probably even more. Beyonce was known as that pretty face from Destiny's Child but not designated the stand out... at least not to the degree of later Beyonce. It seems most of the time Destiny's Child was seen as a group instead of as individual members.
But damn did their career turns out differently. Whatever small comeback she made (Things We Lost in the Fire) was not enough to overcome Gothika and Catwoman. Both highly anticipated by her fans, mostly droolers of her looks..... she was the Sydney Sweeney of the late 90s/early 00s. Whatever sexy photos of her in Gothika or Catwoman floated around briefly on the internet, but nobody cared for them.
From '98-'02.... she was the premier sex icon of America.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 5, 2024 20:43:28 GMT
Yeah.... but when you do things like Gothika and Catwoman..... 2 bombs of the highest order... it's enough to take a permanent damage to your legacy. That's also not counting the fact that Die Another Day while maybe not as bad as those 2..... is generally ranked in the bottom 5 Bonds. Beyonce is the anti-Berry. In 2000 or 2001 both were equally popular. Both equally well known.... actually Berry probably even more. Beyonce was known as that pretty face from Destiny's Child but not designated the stand out... at least not to the degree of later Beyonce. It seems most of the time Destiny's Child was seen as a group instead of as individual members. But damn did their career turns out differently. Whatever small comeback she made (Things We Lost in the Fire) was not enough to overcome Gothika and Catwoman. Both highly anticipated by her fans, mostly droolers of her looks..... she was the Sydney Sweeney of the late 90s/early 00s. Whatever sexy photos of her in Gothika or Catwoman floated around briefly on the internet, but nobody cared for them. From '98-'02.... she was the premier sex icon of America. It's a pretty steep drop with an Oscar AND Emmy and that stunning face all at 35....... Side Note : Monster's Ball has a REALLY tricky racial visualization in it - ie the Biily Bob Thornton character eats chocolate ice cream with a white spoon - which is a metaphor for that relationship - no movie would do that now.....and of course maybe shouldn't ...........because that actually might be offensive  It is a pretty odd movie, a good one though..I gave it a rewatch pretty recently......I can't rank her above Dench or Spacek but ........fine performance |
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Mar 5, 2024 21:10:57 GMT
pacinoyes - Do you think Heath Ledger's character/performance is the most interesting thing about the movie?
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 5, 2024 21:36:28 GMT
pacinoyes - Do you think Heath Ledger's character/performance is the most interesting thing about the movie? Maybe.....his performance actually makes you think the director - Marc Foster - somewhat misjudged the tone of his movie because the quiet scenes are ridiculously quiet and gentle - but when Ledger is being quiet he's just electric, a raw nerve exposed........ smoldering / simmering in a whole different way........across his 3 "great" performances - this, Brokeback, The Dark Knight - when taken in their totality - they are maybe the most painfully accurate portrayals of a kind of Self-immolation or all devouring consumption by the character themseves........ These kinds of performances didn't exist much in American Male Performances before the late 90s / 00s - this deep, uncomfortable male pain ..... and I think it has to do with a kind of more sensitive cultural awareness of mental illness that actors tapped into and you saw a few close together Ledger's 3...............PSH in Love Liza..............Damian Lewis in Keane.......... when Ledger leaves the movie.....well you have a lot of just of very gentle, quiet scenes  |
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