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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 5, 2024 17:20:46 GMT
She's a great actress, people really seem to like her, but can her agent start to mix things up for her? She's always getting cast in genre material ( action, sci-fi, horror etc). I think she's genuinely good enough to win an Oscar one day, but if she sticks almost exclusively to genre films, she may never even be nominated ( she's got an outside shot of being nominated for Dune 2, but other supporting actress performances will probably take priority by end of year). I feel she's got a Charlize Theron in Monster type performance/role in her, that can just sweep all the awards, but she needs to get the role and the filmmaker to do it. Maybe Patty Jenkins, who currently seems to be in director jail since Wonder Woman 84, can come back with a smaller type project to do with Ferguson like she did with Theron in Monster. It'd be great to see her work with some auteurs outside the genre space ( so not counting Villeneuve in the Dune films) that can put her more in those award/Oscar conversations. Claire Denis would be interesting ....Ferguson is weird/quirky enough in real life to fit right into a Wes Anderson movie. I'd say Yorgos Lanthimos, but Emma Stone would probably stick a shank in Ferguson's neck if she tried to approach him  . It'd be good for Todd Haynes to add some new blood to his actress roster, and Ferguson could do some work in a different register with him. Any other suggestions for films/roles or directors that can start getting her more in the awards/Oscar conversations? This is her next project by the way. Another sci-fi action film co-starring Chris Pratt ( which prompted me to start this thread) |
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 5, 2024 17:46:08 GMT
Looks like I'm not the only one out there thinking the same thing ..... |
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Post by sirchuck23 on Mar 5, 2024 19:04:39 GMT
Christopher Nolan, because his methods are supernatural.
Other than that, I think she could kill in a Todd Field movie, problem is he doesn’t direct that often.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 5, 2024 19:09:55 GMT
Other than that, I think she could kill in a Todd Field movie, problem is he doesn’t direct that often. Jesus...can you imagine Ferguson in Tar?  She'd absolutely have crushed that role. And that's not a disrespect to Cate Blanchett, who took care of business in the part, but the role itself was so built up, that I think almost any high level actress could do something great with it. |
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Post by Nikan on Mar 5, 2024 19:10:20 GMT
Other than that, I think she could kill in a Todd Field movie, problem is he doesn’t direct that often. Came to say exactly this. She appears cold and calculating (not saying she's unable to do other things) which is fit for his frame. |
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Post by stephen on Mar 5, 2024 19:20:11 GMT
Having adored her in Doctor Sleep (where I think she's nomination-worthy), she has shown a terrific capacity for playing villains, and I want more of that for her. So I want PTA to write a Daniel Plainview-esque villain for her.
I also have a feeling Werner Herzog would have a blast working with her.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 5, 2024 19:53:05 GMT
Having adored her in Doctor Sleep (where I think she's nomination-worthy), she has shown a terrific capacity for playing villains, and I want more of that for her. So I want PTA to write a Daniel Plainview-esque villain for her. I also have a feeling Werner Herzog would have a blast working with her. She's not exactly a villain ( well depends on your viewpoint, considering she was poisoning Woodcock, but he was arguably into that shit), but I did think before you mentioned PTA, that Ferguson actually could have played the Vicky Kreips role in Phantom Thread. |
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Post by stephen on Mar 5, 2024 19:59:42 GMT
Having adored her in Doctor Sleep (where I think she's nomination-worthy), she has shown a terrific capacity for playing villains, and I want more of that for her. So I want PTA to write a Daniel Plainview-esque villain for her. I also have a feeling Werner Herzog would have a blast working with her. She's not exactly a villain ( well depends on your viewpoint), but I did think before you mentioned PTA, that Ferguson actually could have played the Vicky Kreips role in Phantom Thread.Oh, that's exactly what I was thinking. There's a version of Phantom Thread we could've gotten where Alma actively poisons Cyril to get her out of the way and for her to get closer to Reynolds. I definitely think Ferguson possesses a more nefarious edge to her than Krieps does (which isn't a diss on Krieps; Alma's seeming naivete is why that role works the way it does, but in another actress's hands it can come off as far more malicious), and if she'd been in that role I think she would've come off as more conniving from the start, but something tells me she would've had great chemistry with Day-Lewis and Manville. But I want more than just Alma from her. I want her to play a role like Plainview, or Lancaster Dodd. A true titan of a role. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 5, 2024 20:07:47 GMT
She's not exactly a villain ( well depends on your viewpoint), but I did think before you mentioned PTA, that Ferguson actually could have played the Vicky Kreips role in Phantom Thread.But I want more than just Alma from her. I want her to play a role like Plainview, or Lancaster Dodd. A true titan of a role. has never written that kind of role for a woman. It might not be somewhere he wants to go. |
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Post by sirchuck23 on Mar 5, 2024 20:16:45 GMT
Other than that, I think she could kill in a Todd Field movie, problem is he doesn’t direct that often. Came to say exactly this. She appears cold and calculating (not saying she's unable to do other things) which is fit for his frame. Exactly! Plus that cold stare she can give where you do t know what she’s thinking or planning. That’s why she worked so well in the Mission Impossible films and was probably Cruise’s best female costar in that franchise. I would love to see her work with major auteurs in more dramatic roles/films. Feel there’s a lot of untapped potential there with her skillset and it doesn’t hurt that she’s extremely beautiful (imo) too. |
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Post by countjohn on Mar 5, 2024 20:18:35 GMT
You've also got to consider she might just view herself as acting for money. She probably gets more for a supporting role in Dune or MI than she would for a lead role in a lot of these other movies. The budget could be 20-30 mil but a lot of that is probably going towards the production and the actors are working for scale because they believe in the project or want to try to win awards. Like in fashion how Chanel or whoever a lot of the time won't pay their models anything and you have to do Gap commercials to make money and the high fashion stuff to get prestige.
Anyway, I agree Haynes and one of his cold repressed woman roles would be a good fit for her.
I like to see anyone work with Wes but I'm not sure how well that would work towards getting her an Oscar nod. He's never had a nominated performance despite several getting a lot of precursors (Murray in Rushmore, Hackman in Tenebaums, Fiennes in Grand Budapest) so I think the actors branch just isn't a huge fan.
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Post by countjohn on Mar 5, 2024 20:20:09 GMT
She's not exactly a villain ( well depends on your viewpoint), but I did think before you mentioned PTA, that Ferguson actually could have played the Vicky Kreips role in Phantom Thread.Oh, that's exactly what I was thinking. There's a version of Phantom Thread we could've gotten where Alma actively poisons Cyril to get her out of the way and for her to get closer to Reynolds. I definitely think Ferguson possesses a more nefarious edge to her than Krieps does (which isn't a diss on Krieps; Alma's seeming naivete is why that role works the way it does, but in another actress's hands it can come off as far more malicious), and if she'd been in that role I think she would've come off as more conniving from the start, but something tells me she would've had great chemistry with Day-Lewis and Manville. But I want more than just Alma from her. I want her to play a role like Plainview, or Lancaster Dodd. A true titan of a role. I would rather watch alternate versions of Phantom Thread than most actual movies coming out these days. I wouldn't say "just Alma" though, that's a great part. |
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Post by stephen on Mar 5, 2024 20:20:37 GMT
But I want more than just Alma from her. I want her to play a role like Plainview, or Lancaster Dodd. A true titan of a role. has never written that kind of role for a woman. It might not be somewhere he wants to go. His last two films have been very female-centric, and while they have male co-leads the women drive the narratives in both movies. PTA had never written a role like Plainview before There Will Be Blood, and he even said if Day-Lewis had passed, he wouldn't have made the film, and I am inclined to believe him because a.) the script was only half-done when Day-Lewis accepted, and b.) PTA's such a singular creative force that I feel like he very much would junk a project if he didn't think he could make it the way he absolutely wanted it. I don't think Anderson is averse to writing a majorly dominant role for an actress like Plainview or Dodd; the project just hasn't yet materialized. But there are shades of it in Amy Adams's Peggy Dodd (the true power behind the throne, Lady Macbeth-style role). He also likes to write for his actors, so if he met Rebecca Ferguson and there was a creative spark there, he'd build it around her. |
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Post by stephen on Mar 5, 2024 20:24:22 GMT
Oh, that's exactly what I was thinking. There's a version of Phantom Thread we could've gotten where Alma actively poisons Cyril to get her out of the way and for her to get closer to Reynolds. I definitely think Ferguson possesses a more nefarious edge to her than Krieps does (which isn't a diss on Krieps; Alma's seeming naivete is why that role works the way it does, but in another actress's hands it can come off as far more malicious), and if she'd been in that role I think she would've come off as more conniving from the start, but something tells me she would've had great chemistry with Day-Lewis and Manville. But I want more than just Alma from her. I want her to play a role like Plainview, or Lancaster Dodd. A true titan of a role. I would rather watch alternate versions of Phantom Thread than most actual movies coming out these days. I wouldn't say "just Alma" though, that's a great part. Alma is a great part but it's not a bombastic one. She has big moments but the subtleties of that performance are really what make it special. We know Rebecca Ferguson is good at playing low-key. But I want more Doctor Sleep-esque bigness from her. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 5, 2024 20:34:03 GMT
You've also got to consider she might just view herself as acting for money. She probably gets more for a supporting role in Dune or MI than she would for a lead role in a lot of these other movies. The budget could be 20-30 mil but a lot of that is probably going towards the production and the actors are working for scale because they believe in the project or want to try to win awards. Like in fashion how Chanel or whoever a lot of the time won't pay their models anything and you have to do Gap commercials to make money and the high fashion stuff to get prestige. Anyway, I agree Haynes and one of his cold repressed woman roles would be a good fit for her. I like to see anyone work with Wes but I'm not sure how well that would work towards getting her an Oscar nod. He's never had a nominated performance despite several getting a lot of precursors (Murray in Rushmore, Hackman in Tenebaums, Fiennes in Grand Budapest) so I think the actors branch just isn't a huge fan. There's no reason she shouldn't be acting for money. Everyone has bills to pay. But it's also very good long-term career strategy to take on some projects ( which may pay less) that get her awards traction or accolades. Ferguson is 40. The lead roles in these big money genre films will not last forever, and eventually they will start casting actresses younger than her. But if you are an Oscar nominee or winner, that prestige stays with you forever and can extend your career when you are no longer being seen a main actress in the genre films. If her team were smart, they'd realise this and that they need to start doing it pronto to extend the lifespan of her career as someone who could potentially be an A-lister. I thought about what you said with Wes Anderson before naming him. Yes, he doesn't get actors nominated, but being in his films gives actors an air of prestige and sophistication that makes you attractive to other auteurs. So while she might not be nominated for one of his movies, I'd say being in one of his films would get a lot of major auteurs to look at her outside the genre box when casting their next actresses in significant roles. And that could lead to an Oscar nomination or win. Anderson is just the right kind of director to get her in those casting conversations for award roles, even though his actors never get nodded. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 5, 2024 23:44:26 GMT
When I think about it, the ideal template for Ferguson's career is so obvious. It's Sigourney Weaver. Ferguson is already a dominant genre actress like Weaver was/is, but she could do with mixing in things like Gorillas In The Mist, Working Girl, The Year Of Living Dangerously and so on.
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Post by sophiefox on Mar 6, 2024 1:10:29 GMT
hmmm... i could see Rebecca Ferguson as a protagonist in one of Sofia Coppola's next films about a famous woman trapped in a gilded cage, privileged but adrift, lonely and bored. she has a face that has a very modern, fresh look and at the same time bares an eerie resemblance to the dark, realistic and emotionally charged imagery of Baroque portrait paintings. after having seen Priscilla (and, much longer ago, The Virgin Suicides), i think with her face and acting chops Ferguson would fit just perfectly into Coppola's visual cinematic style and dreamy set pieces of vintage pastel colours and hazy city lights, portraying a character that is both, broken by her environment and determined to break out of it. i have no idea what Coppola is planning on doing next, but imo she should really consider Ferguson for a future project.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 6, 2024 1:28:36 GMT
hmmm... i could see Rebecca Ferguson as a protagonist in one of Sofia Coppola's next films about a famous woman trapped in a gilded cage, privileged but adrift, lonely and bored. she has a face that has a very modern, fresh look and at the same time bares an eerie resemblance to the dark, realistic and emotionally charged imagery of Baroque portrait paintings. after having seen Priscilla (and, much longer ago, The Virgin Suicides), i think with her face and acting chops Ferguson would fit just perfectly into Coppola's visual cinematic style and dreamy set pieces of vintage pastel colours and hazy city lights, portraying a character that is both, broken by her environment and determined to break out of it. i have no idea what Coppola is planning on doing next, but imo she should really consider Ferguson for a future project. Great suggestion in Sophia Coppola  I feel like Ferguson would really work well with Jane Campion's sensibility as well, and she tends to have great roles for women. |
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Post by sophiefox on Mar 6, 2024 2:55:20 GMT
hmmm... i could see Rebecca Ferguson as a protagonist in one of Sofia Coppola's next films about a famous woman trapped in a gilded cage, privileged but adrift, lonely and bored. she has a face that has a very modern, fresh look and at the same time bares an eerie resemblance to the dark, realistic and emotionally charged imagery of Baroque portrait paintings. after having seen Priscilla (and, much longer ago, The Virgin Suicides), i think with her face and acting chops Ferguson would fit just perfectly into Coppola's visual cinematic style and dreamy set pieces of vintage pastel colours and hazy city lights, portraying a character that is both, broken by her environment and determined to break out of it. i have no idea what Coppola is planning on doing next, but imo she should really consider Ferguson for a future project. Great suggestion in Sophia Coppola I feel like Ferguson would really work well with Jane Campion's sensibility as well, and she tends to have great roles for women. yes, i think Ferguson would do just great in period films (as Dune, a period piece in outer space, has already shown her great potential), and Campion is predestined for that sort of thing. actually, for some reason, i believe that especially seasoned female directors could bring the best out of Ferguson and provide her with an opportunity to shine in a substantial role with the needed gravitas that would draw enough attention in the award circuit. all the male directors she worked with so far didn't really achieve that for her, casting her in rather stereotypical roles or as you said, roles in genre films where her talent was never really recognised the way it should have been. case in point (apart from Coppola and Campion): Sarah Polley ( Women Talking), Céline Sciamma ( Portrait of a Lady on Fire), Julie Taymor ( Frida), Lone Scherfig ( An Education), Mira Nair ( Vanity Fair), or Greta Gerwig ( Little Women). |
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 6, 2024 5:25:06 GMT
Great suggestion in Sophia Coppola I feel like Ferguson would really work well with Jane Campion's sensibility as well, and she tends to have great roles for women. yes, i think Ferguson would do just great in period films (as Dune, a period piece in outer space, has already shown her great potential), and Campion is predestined for that sort of thing. actually, for some reason, i believe that especially seasoned female directors could bring the best out of Ferguson and provide her with an opportunity to shine in a substantial role with the needed gravitas that would draw enough attention in the award circuit. all the male directors she worked with so far didn't really achieve that for her, casting her in rather stereotypical roles or as you said, roles in genre films where her talent was never really recognised the way it should have been. case in point (apart from Coppola and Campion): Sarah Polley ( Women Talking), Céline Sciamma ( Portrait of a Lady on Fire), Julie Taymor ( Frida), Lone Scherfig ( An Education), Mira Nair ( Vanity Fair), or Greta Gerwig ( Little Women). I'd also mention Kelly Reichardt in that group, who has exceled with Female roles in period films, with Meeks Cutoff ( Certain Women wasn't period, but it's the film that made Martin Scorsese cast Lily Gladstone in Killers Of The Flower Moon). Also |
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Post by Pavan on Mar 6, 2024 15:08:58 GMT
I don't like when actors deliberately try to prove that they are Oscar caliber. Not everyone needs to win awards to be considered legitimate. I think she is happy with doing whatever comes her way and would be cool if she wins one day but i would not want her to forcibly change her choices and career graph for awards.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 6, 2024 15:37:36 GMT
I don't like when actors deliberately try to prove that they are Oscar caliber. Not everyone needs to win awards to be considered legitimate. I think she is happy with doing whatever comes her way and would be cool if she wins one day but i would not want her to forcibly change her choices and career graph for awards. Exactly ^ .......and some of the comments are a little puzzling to me anyway...........I like her - a lot - but tbh......................she isn't even the best actress named Rebecca in her early 40s who should be in a Sofia Coppola movie and who needs some awards love ffs ( Rebecca Hall, pfffft)   |
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 6, 2024 17:09:58 GMT
I don't like when actors deliberately try to prove that they are Oscar caliber. Not everyone needs to win awards to be considered legitimate. I think she is happy with doing whatever comes her way and would be cool if she wins one day but i would not want her to forcibly change her choices and career graph for awards. I want actors who are talented enough and who I like to have a balanced and varied career, and not be underrated. Ferguson has the talent to be in the conversations with the best actresses of her generation, but she's not in those conversations, because her career isn't balanced enough with prestige films/roles. So she's currently underrated. I'm all for limited actors staying in their lane and doing whatever they want, but I dislike wasted potential, and I think Ferguson would be wasting her potential and how the world appreciates her talent, by not branching out into more non-genre prestige or auteur based roles. Because she is not a limited actress. Ferguson is free to do whatever she wants with her career. But as fans, we are free to want more for her as well. Just my take. |
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Post by Pavan on Mar 6, 2024 17:41:33 GMT
I don't like when actors deliberately try to prove that they are Oscar caliber. Not everyone needs to win awards to be considered legitimate. I think she is happy with doing whatever comes her way and would be cool if she wins one day but i would not want her to forcibly change her choices and career graph for awards. I want actors who are talented enough and who I like to have a balanced and varied career, and not be underrated. Ferguson has the talent to be in the conversations with the best actresses of her generation, but she's not in those conversations, because her career isn't balanced enough with prestige films/roles. So she's currently underrated. I'm all for limited actors staying in their lane and doing whatever they want, but I dislike wasted potential, and I think Ferguson would be wasting her potential and how the world appreciates her talent, by not branching out into more non-genre prestige or auteur based roles. Because she is not a limited actress. Ferguson is free to do whatever she wants with her career. But as fans, we are free to want more for her as well. Just my take. I've seen her talk in bits and pieces of some interviews. She seemed like this no-nonsense, i do whatever i want to do kind of person. Did she send any signs or shown interest in being part of Oscar-y/auteur films? if that's the case, she will definitely get to be a part of something soon. |
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. It'd be good for Todd Haynes to add some new blood to his actress roster, and Ferguson could do some work in a different register with him.
