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Post by SeanJoyce on Mar 1, 2024 4:59:10 GMT
Always thought that Dean copping a Best Actor nomination for 33 minutes of screen time in a movie that ran nearly 3.5 hours was utterly preposterous. His performance is the textbook example of a supporting role that gives some movies, especially those as dense and patience-challenging as Giant, a much-needed shot in the arm. I'm no huge Dean fan, but I like him, and he does some very good work here. The electricity he generates whenever he shows up provides a nice counter to Hudson's stoic glibness.
Had he been campaigned for Supporting, I think he would have taken the goodwill that got him a posthumous Best Actor nom and sprinted to a win, especially since Quinn had already been victorious and IMO is nothing special in Lust for Life.
Thoughts?
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Post by stabcaesar on Mar 1, 2024 5:41:07 GMT
He wouldn't have deserved it if he had run supporting and won. I find his drunk acting awful in the film, which sticks out like a sore thumb in an otherwise incredible film. Hudson and ET carried the movie.
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Post by SeanJoyce on Mar 1, 2024 5:53:02 GMT
He would have deserved it if he had run supporting and won. I find his drunk acting awful in the film, which sticks out like a sore thumb in an otherwise incredible film. Hudson and ET carried the movie. So you felt he would have deserved a win in the Supporting Actor category, there were just elements of his performance you weren't satisfied with? I agree that his final appearance is...off, but if it helps, he was killed before he was able to re-record his dialog for that scene in post-production, most of which was unintelligible. His friend Nick Adams dubbed it, so it's his voice you hear in the final movie. |
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Post by stabcaesar on Mar 1, 2024 5:56:25 GMT
He would have deserved it if he had run supporting and won. I find his drunk acting awful in the film, which sticks out like a sore thumb in an otherwise incredible film. Hudson and ET carried the movie. So you felt he would have deserved a win in the Supporting Actor category, there were just elements of his performance you weren't satisfied with? I agree that his final appearance is...off, but if it helps, he was killed before he was able to re-record his dialog for that scene in post-production, most of which was unintelligible. His friend Nick Adams dubbed it, so it's his voice you hear in the final movie. Typo. I meant to write he wouldn't have deserve it. I am not referring to his final appearance specifically. I like him in the first half, but after he starts drinking the drunk acting becomes intolerable to me. |
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Post by stephen on Mar 1, 2024 12:05:45 GMT
I think it's very possible as it is a substantially long performance compared to what he was up against (especially the eventual winner), but I also think that Dean might've suffered from what I think ultimately took down Chadwick Boseman's Oscar hopes: the duration between his death and the ceremony itself, allowing for momentum to shift elsewhere.
EDIT: Only thirty-three minutes? Felt longer watching it.
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Post by JangoB on Mar 1, 2024 12:17:10 GMT
I thought about it a few times, and I think he would have. And he would've been one of the best winners of all time in the category. But it's a bit tough to assess Oscar races of the olden days, of course.
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Post by SeanJoyce on Mar 1, 2024 19:14:01 GMT
Yeah...one of the most egregious cases of category fraud ever. It's why I don't buy the "too much time between release/voting" theory...that's an insane amount of goodwill to get in the BA field with that little screen time. If wrongs were righted, Dean would have won BSA and John Wayne would have taken his spot in the BA field. |
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Post by finniussnrub on Mar 1, 2024 19:16:52 GMT
There was supposedly a separation, almost class like, in the categories that if you were a A-list star, you couldn't be supporting, I've even read there was controversy for Garland/Clift's nominations for Judgment at Nuremberg because it was beneath them to be nominated in supporting....although all this is second hand claims, I've not seen any primary source accounts of it.
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Post by SeanJoyce on Mar 1, 2024 19:28:44 GMT
There was supposedly a separation, almost class like, in the categories that if you were a A-list star, you couldn't be supporting, I've even read there was controversy for Garland/Clift's nominations for Judgment at Nuremberg because it was beneath them to be nominated in supporting....although all this is second hand claims, I've not seen any primary source accounts of it. That's an...interesting theory. Not sure I buy it, but it'd help explain Brando's bullshit BA nomination for Julius Caesar, which cockblocked Ladd. |
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Post by stephen on Mar 1, 2024 19:38:42 GMT
There was supposedly a separation, almost class like, in the categories that if you were a A-list star, you couldn't be supporting, I've even read there was controversy for Garland/Clift's nominations for Judgment at Nuremberg because it was beneath them to be nominated in supporting....although all this is second hand claims, I've not seen any primary source accounts of it. That's an...interesting theory. Not sure I buy it, but it'd help explain Brando's bullshit BA nomination for Julius Caesar that cockblocked Ladd. It's an actual thing that was in place, which had its antecedents in the theater days when marquee actors were above the title. It wasn't a specific rule the Academy followed, but more of a social norm. |
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Post by SeanJoyce on Mar 1, 2024 19:43:21 GMT
It's an actual thing that was in place, which had its antecedents in the theater days when marquee actors were above the title. It wasn't a specific rule the Academy followed, but more of a social norm. Wow, what a load of shit. |
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Mar 2, 2024 1:51:43 GMT
It's an actual thing that was in place, which had its antecedents in the theater days when marquee actors were above the title. It wasn't a specific rule the Academy followed, but more of a social norm. Wow, what a load of shit. I don’t think it was just a studio thing either. Star actors back then didn’t want to be perceived as supporting. |
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