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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 22, 2024 15:04:52 GMT
Chicago sports talk is insufferable right now but should have an answer on this pretty soon. Curious where the board stands? I personally am fine with the Bears trading the 1sr pick given they can actually get a rumored haul of 3 1sts and a legit starter on the d-line. But it feels more and more likely that they’ll trade Fields and simply draft Williams. I’m not really sold on Williams being “the next Mahomes” and certainly think he has bust potential, but I can’t deny his ceiling either. Thoughts?
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Feb 22, 2024 15:30:07 GMT
Caleb has superior arm talent to Fields and has shown infinitely more pocket presence and ability to progress through his reads at the collegiate level. In his 3 seasons, Fields has failed to show the leap in his understanding of the game necessary to feel like he's a long-term franchise starter. The success he's had has been in the run game (where he's a legit playmaker but for how long?) and when the offense gets simplified to 1-or-2 reads and go. Fields essentially is what people try to criticize Lamar as. Not to mention Fields will be looking for a new contract soon and will be looking to make at least $40m a year.
While the Bears obviously have more holes than just QB, they're better off starting fresh with a new rookie deal on a QB that has significantly higher upside and getting whatever draft capital they can get on Fields. They'll still be the Bears, though, so they'll probably end up fucking up Caleb's development.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 22, 2024 18:14:38 GMT
I'm not big on either, both are massively overrated... that said, it's been 3 years with Fields and 3 years of failure (remember when media and Vegas were going hard that Fields was going to have an MVP year?) so if I were GM, I'd start fresh. Get what you can (maybe a second) for Fields and cut your losses.
The real question is why the fuck did they stick with the same HC.
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Post by ibbi on Feb 22, 2024 18:21:23 GMT
I haven't watched Williams, so I can't comment there, but it has always felt to me when I've watched them like Fields is the least of the Bears problems, and if they use the pieces they have to actually build a good team around him they could do far worse at QB.
They might have wrecked his confidence by now to the point that there's no way he's a long-term starter, but unless you fix the rest of the team first why would you want to plug someone else into that spot (unless maybe they are a guaranteed slam dunk like a Luck or a Lawrence) to do the same to them?
Having to pay him is obviously a potential issue, but I don't think I'm crazy in saying that he does seem to be getting better, right? He's not fucking Jalen Hurts evaporating into smoke once there is film of him and his extreme limitations/his superstar OC has moved on.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 22, 2024 19:48:16 GMT
I haven't watched Williams, so I can't comment there, but it has always felt to me when I've watched them like Fields is the least of the Bears problems, and if they use the pieces they have to actually build a good team around him they could do far worse at QB. They might have wrecked his confidence by now to the point that there's no way he's a long-term starter, but unless you fix the rest of the team first why would you want to plug someone else into that spot (unless maybe they are a guaranteed slam dunk like a Luck or a Lawrence) to do the same to them? Having to pay him is obviously a potential issue, but I don't think I'm crazy in saying that he does seem to be getting better, right? He's not fucking Jalen Hurts evaporating into smoke once there is film of him and his extreme limitations/his superstar OC has moved on. Fields certainly has areas to improve on (ball security, read progression) but he’s improved every season while getting an undeniably raw deal. He’s dealt with a Swiss cheese OL, play callers that are inept or actively work against his strengths, and a severe lack of playmakers to throw to prior to aquiring DJ Moore, and they still don’t have much beyond him. |
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Post by ibbi on Feb 22, 2024 19:56:46 GMT
As Fish has said, I think it might be the non-playing roles they need to fix first  the Cleveland Browns in the 2010s seemed to have top 10 picks every single year and they were too incompetent to do anything with them. They finally got what appears to be a good head coach and GM and the turnaround was near enough immediate. |
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the Cleveland Browns in the 2010s seemed to have top 10 picks every single year and they were too incompetent to do anything with them. They finally got what appears to be a good head coach and GM and the turnaround was near enough immediate.