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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 12, 2024 9:11:12 GMT
It's the highest individual honor that can be bestowed by the American Film Industry. Few non-American actors ever recieve it (only Sean Connery, Julie Andrews, Elizabeth Taylor and this year's recipient Nicole Kidman ). A few iconic stars such as Robert Redford and Gene Hackman have reportedly turned it down (likely because they don't want to deal with all the attendant fuss of a gala and the hype machine around the event), so they are probably off the table.
So, who fits the potential profile for the next actor or actress to get it?
Anthony Hopkins ( he probably should have it already, but again, it's so tough for non-American actors to get it)
Michael Caine ( same as Hopkins. Don't think he's ever getting it).
Samuel L Jackson ( possible. He's iconic, American, a veteran and at the stage of life where lifetime achievement awards are becoming a regular thing for him)
Jeff Bridges ( well liked in the industry, but was he ever an iconic enough movie star for AFI? I dunno. Hard to say. Personally he'd be a good choice, but if he hasn't recieved it yet, he may not be on the list of people they are looking to give it to).
Tom Cruise ( controversial figure, but such a titanic movie star, that I assume he'll get it eventually. They may make him wait another 15 years though)
Jodie Foster ( I feel like she must be on the shortlist of actresses that are going to get it. Being back in the limelight with Nyad and True Detective doesn't hurt either).
Julia Roberts ( She may get it one day because she was such a titanic movie star, but like with Cruise, I think they will make her wait a bit longer).
Eddie Murphy ( If they are going to honor a comedian soon, he's probably pretty high on the list)
Daniel Day-Lewis ( maybe. He's certainly played some iconic American roles, like Lincoln. Never been a huge movie star, but the respect factor might be enough to overcome that. Again, the whole non-American thing works against him though)
Anyone else?
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 12, 2024 9:19:04 GMT
Kidman is American though, and I'm surprsied that she's getting it this early given that she's not that old.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 12, 2024 9:24:30 GMT
Kidman is American though, and I'm surprsied that she's getting it this early given that she's not that old. No one considers her American just because she has dual citizenship. She's heavily identified as an Australian and goes out of her way to claim herself as such. Same with her peer Cate Blanchett ( who also has dual American citizenship) Anthony Hopkins is technically "American" as well ( he's a naturalised American citizen) but as with Kidman, no one really percieves him to be an American, and that does tend to count against you with AFI. I think Kidman is getting it so young because she has a body of work for several lifetimes at this point. The woman doesn't stop working. Plus, she has the respect factor and is an iconic star. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 12, 2024 13:37:26 GMT
Kidman is American though, and I'm surprsied that she's getting it this early given that she's not that old. That's because the award is random like that - Tom Hanks won it at 46   ..........he won it before De Niro, Streep, Pacino who got there's later You can never read much into these victory lap awards - I mean all awards are stupid but Lifetime ones are stupid in their own weird ways and are very much based on relationships with people on boards and stuff like that
Side note - Speaking as someone who is 273 years old it pisses me off when people without ONE fncking grey hair win lifetime achievement awards - like this is his real hair I bet he wasn't even coloring it ffs   |
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 12, 2024 13:46:19 GMT
Kidman is American though, and I'm surprsied that she's getting it this early given that she's not that old. That's because the award is random like that - Tom Hanks won it at 46 ..........he won it before De Niro, Streep, Pacino who got there's later You can never read much into these victory lap awards - I mean all awards are stupid but Lifetime ones are stupid in their own weird ways and are very much based on relationships with people on boards and stuff like that
Side note - Speaking as someone who is 273 years old it pisses me off when people without ONE fncking grey hair win lifetime achievement awards - like this is his real hair I bet he wasn't even coloring it ffs I mean Tom Hanks is literally "America's favorite son" so it sort of makes sense that he was awarded at the time that American patriotism was at its height (a few months after 9/11). Even his salute in this picture looks military. I don't think Nicole Kidman in 2023 shares that profile at all. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 12, 2024 14:05:35 GMT
That's because the award is random like that - Tom Hanks won it at 46 ..........he won it before De Niro, Streep, Pacino who got there's later You can never read much into these victory lap awards - I mean all awards are stupid but Lifetime ones are stupid in their own weird ways and are very much based on relationships with people on boards and stuff like that
Side note - Speaking as someone who is 273 years old it pisses me off when people without ONE fncking grey hair win lifetime achievement awards - like this is his real hair I bet he wasn't even coloring it ffs I mean Tom Hanks is literally "America's favorite son" so it sort of makes sense that he was awarded at the time that American patriotism was at its height (a few months after 9/11). Even his salute in this picture looks military.
I don't think Nicole Kidman in 2023 shares that profile at all. Oh I agree - but I didin't say anything like that did I (?) - I just said the award - and all Lifetime Awards are always weird ............. Steve Martin won it a few years ago..........I love Steve Martin - and I loved watching him win it - but it's very much a people you know thing rather than anything else........ it's not a profile thing .....or comparable across winners either......  |
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 12, 2024 14:09:13 GMT
That's because the award is random like that - Tom Hanks won it at 46 ..........he won it before De Niro, Streep, Pacino who got there's later You can never read much into these victory lap awards - I mean all awards are stupid but Lifetime ones are stupid in their own weird ways and are very much based on relationships with people on boards and stuff like that
Side note - Speaking as someone who is 273 years old it pisses me off when people without ONE fncking grey hair win lifetime achievement awards - like this is his real hair I bet he wasn't even coloring it ffs I mean Tom Hanks is literally "America's favorite son" so it sort of makes sense that he was awarded at the time that American patriotism was at its height (a few months after 9/11). Even his salute in this picture looks military. I don't think Nicole Kidman in 2023 shares that profile at all. Fully agree on why Hanks got it at a relatively young age. He was Mr America. The modern Jimmy Stewart for many, whose screen persona and movies idealised the very best of how Americans see themselves. That he got it so soon after 9/11 obviously wasn't a coincidence either. He was the perfect movie icon at the right time to award, for a nation in healing. Kidman hasn't got that kind of profile like Hanks, but she is enormously respected as both an actress and a producer. Many people credit her with helping really bring in the era of making it ok and fashionable for top tier movie stars to do TV with Big Little Lies. She wasn't the first major movie star to do a limited series, but it really encouraged most other major movie stars to get into the prestige television pond in a much bigger way than previously and she felt very central to the whole era of peak television. Emma Stone even credited Kidman as the reason she does TV as well as film. I think Kidman is iconic enough to mean something to the American screen industry (film and TV), and she's also percieved to be at a talent level, where they can justify giving it to her a bit younger than most others (like a Meryl Streep). It's not like she is setting a precedent though age wise. Kidman is 56 years old. Streep got it younger (54) . George Clooney got it around the same age as Kidman. He was 57. Harrison Ford was 57 as well. Barbara Streisand got it at 58. DeNiro got it at 59. So there's a bunch of iconic actors in the same age ballpark as Kidman when she's getting hers. Hanks is an outlier. He was unusually young when he recieved his at age 46. |
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Post by stephen on Feb 12, 2024 14:17:54 GMT
Someone like Samuel L. Jackson makes a lot of sense. He's worked with just about everyone, he's more or less at the right age for this sort of anointing, he just got his Honorary Oscar and this would feel like a cherry on top.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 12, 2024 14:23:14 GMT
Someone like Samuel L. Jackson makes a lot of sense. He's worked with just about everyone, he's more or less at the right age for this sort of anointing, he just got his Honorary Oscar and this would feel like a cherry on top. Yeah, I feel like Jackson may be a very good bet. He'd also get an amazing turnout, because as you said, he's worked with everyone. |
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Post by mhynson27 on Feb 12, 2024 22:35:04 GMT
Someone like Samuel L. Jackson makes a lot of sense. He's worked with just about everyone, he's more or less at the right age for this sort of anointing, he just got his Honorary Oscar and this would feel like a cherry on top. Plus, he'll be in contention soon for The Piano Lesson. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 12, 2024 22:37:35 GMT
Pretty wild that Olivia De Havilland never got the AFI Life achievement award considering how long she lived. She did also miss the cut for the AFI's 25 Greatest Female Stars. Tough to crack these things.
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Post by stephen on Feb 12, 2024 22:50:57 GMT
Pretty wild that Olivia De Havilland never got the AFI Life achievement award considering how long she lived. She did also miss the cut for the AFI's 25 Greatest Female Stars. Tough to crack these things. I feel like Olivia's longevity really worked against her, especially as she was retired for so much of it. These celebrations really only work when you have living compatriots to speak about their collaborations and their influences. But de Havilland was out of sight and out of mind for 50+ years and only really resurfaced because of how long she (and her sister) lived. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 12, 2024 22:58:26 GMT
De Havilland either pissed someboy off.....or didn't wat to attend.......like I said Lifetime Achievement awards are wacky and not an indicator of much......it's certainly not an indicator of merit - it's LESS an indcator of merit than a competetive Oscar is and that ain't either Did Brando get this? Newman? Redford? It's a nice thing to watch on TV but it doesn't matter much....... |
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 12, 2024 23:02:14 GMT
Pretty wild that Olivia De Havilland never got the AFI Life achievement award considering how long she lived. She did also miss the cut for the AFI's 25 Greatest Female Stars. Tough to crack these things. I feel like Olivia's longevity really worked against her, especially as she was retired for so much of it. These celebrations really only work when you have living compatriots to speak about their collaborations and their influences. But de Havilland was out of sight and out of mind for 50+ years and only really resurfaced because of how long she (and her sister) lived. This is a very good point. But I feel she was probably never really a priority for the AFI to award anyway . From when the first award was given in 1973, they were very deliberately prioritising giving it to people from De Havilland's era/generation, because they probably realised most of them wouldn't be around for much longer. I feel if they really wanted to give it to De Havilland, they could have gotten to it around the late 80's or early 90's. They gave it to Barbara Stanwyck in 1987 for example. Maybe De Havilland wasn't quite iconic enough for AFI. Like I mentioned, she missed the 25 Greatest Female Stars list as well, and that was voted on by the industry at large and critics. |
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Post by stephen on Feb 12, 2024 23:10:15 GMT
I feel like Olivia's longevity really worked against her, especially as she was retired for so much of it. These celebrations really only work when you have living compatriots to speak about their collaborations and their influences. But de Havilland was out of sight and out of mind for 50+ years and only really resurfaced because of how long she (and her sister) lived. This is a very good point. But I feel she was probably never really a priority for the AFI to award anyway . From when the first award was given in 1973, they were very deliberately prioritising giving it to people from De Havilland's era/generation, because they probably realised most of them wouldn't be around for much longer. I feel if they really wanted to give it to De Havilland, they could have gotten to it around the late 80's or early 90's. They gave it to Barbara Stanwyck in 1987 for example. Maybe De Havilland wasn't quite iconic enough for AFI. Like I mentioned, she missed the 25 Greatest Female Stars list as well, and that was voted on by the industry at large and critics. Stanwyck was a much larger Hollywood presence than de Havilland, to be fair. Even though Olivia had two Oscars within a fairly dominant decade and was a part of arguably the most iconic movie of the Golden Era, Stanwyck's star power was much larger overall, and Stanwyck was much more networked within the industry. These things, it's all about who you know and who you work with. And Stanwyck's overall influence as an actress for future generations was one of her unheralded strengths. Of course, we don't know if they did offer it to de Havilland and she just turned them down. But she doesn't strike me as someone who would; I think the biggest hit against her was that she just didn't keep working regularly after her second Oscar, and she became more known for her feud with Joan Fontaine in her latter years. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 12, 2024 23:28:56 GMT
Some actors for a variety of reasons, choose not to accept the award, which involves doing the whole ceremony and razzmataz (I guess it's like turning down a Knighthood or a Damehood, which also happens). Katherine Hepburn was offered it, but turned it down. Robert Redford and Gene Hackman also. I would think Marlon Brando and Paul Newman were also both offered it and turned it down.
I'd like to see Sigourney Weaver offered the award. I think she's iconic enough to merit it. But she might not be on the AFI radar.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Feb 12, 2024 23:39:35 GMT
Some actors for a variety of reasons, choose not to accept the award, which involves doing the whole ceremony and razzmataz (I guess it's like turning down a Knighthood or a Damehood, which also happens). Katherine Hepburn was offered it, but turned it down. Robert Redford and Gene Hackman also. I would think Marlon Brando and Paul Newman were also both offered it and turned it down. I'd like to see Sigourney Weaver offered the award. I think she's iconic enough to merit it. But she might not be on the AFI radar. Yes, I believe Paul Newman wouldn't agree to do it unless it was a joint ceremony for him and Joanne. |
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Post by stephen on Feb 12, 2024 23:39:54 GMT
I'd like to see Sigourney Weaver offered the award. I think she's iconic enough to merit it. But she might not be on the AFI radar. This definitely needs to happen. Plus an Honorary Oscar, if they're too cowardly to give her a competitive win. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 12, 2024 23:47:52 GMT
Some actors for a variety of reasons, choose not to accept the award, which involves doing the whole ceremony and razzmataz (I guess it's like turning down a Knighthood or a Damehood, which also happens). Katherine Hepburn was offered it, but turned it down. Robert Redford and Gene Hackman also. I would think Marlon Brando and Paul Newman were also both offered it and turned it down. I'd like to see Sigourney Weaver offered the award. I think she's iconic enough to merit it. But she might not be on the AFI radar. Yes, I believe Paul Newman wouldn't agree to do it unless it was a joint ceremony for him and Joanne. Very chivalrous of Newman to make that gesture for his wife, but Woodward would never have made the cut to be offered the award individually. I thought she was a great actress and her Oscar winning turn in The Three Faces Of Eve was brilliant, but I don't think she was anywhere near being an iconic enough movie star for AFI |
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Post by thomasjerome on Feb 13, 2024 6:42:45 GMT
Julianne Moore, Glenn Close.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 13, 2024 6:54:28 GMT
Julianne Moore, Glenn Close. If they didn't give it to Olivia De Havilland and Lauren Bacall, they're not giving it to Julianne Moore, imho. She's not an iconic enough film star. She's on the edge, like someone like Jeff Bridges ( who I think has a far greater chance of getting it than Moore because he's The Dude. But even he may never get it). Sandra Bullock has a significantly greater chance of getting it than Moore. I don't see Annette Benning ever getting it either, and I think her status in the industry is very similar to Moore's. Highly respected actresses, but not iconic enough film stars. If we are talking about that kind of respected actresses, but whose iconic film star status is borderline, Frances McDormand probably has a better chance than both of them thanks to her 3 Oscars and association with the Coen Brothers.Close is more of a possibility. Things like Fatal Attraction and 101 Dalmatians made her a more iconic movie actress than someone like Moore. But like much of the industry, they seem to forget that other actresses within Meryl Streep's generation were active and also iconic. I could see it happening for Close, but I could also see her being ignored and never getting it. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 22, 2024 20:17:56 GMT
Hope the AFI take note of the fact that Sigourney Weaver is currently getting major lifetime achievement awards from other countries with a rich film history, so she should be at the front of the line to get the AFI life award from her own country. Receiving the Goya Lifetime Achievement Award last week in Spain.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 22, 2024 22:12:10 GMT
I'd like to see Burstyn get it tbh .....you can actually view Burstyn as the link between Page and Streep........she's still coherent in a way maybe Duvall isn't who I guess doesn't want it because he's a miserable fncker (love him but he is)....Burstyn does a lot for actors - heads up The Actor's Studio, Triple Crown winner...... Weaver would be nice........Weaver is one of those rare peple nominated for Oscar, Emmy, Tony and hasn't ever won any of them......she'd be one of those rare winners for females without any other wins there.......Stanwyck I guess was the last without Oscar.......I can't imagine Burstyn would do much for their ratings but you never know....... Still meh on most (not all) Career Awards.......this one included.....but as long as wer're talking "that would be nice"  |
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..........he won it before De Niro, Streep, Pacino who got there's later 
