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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 24, 2024 1:06:02 GMT
Apologies if this has been a thread already.
I think he will at least match it. He's at 9 Oscar nods. Could get a supporting nom for Gladiator 2 putting him at 10 around 70 years old. Can he get two more nominations after that provided he's in good health? I think so.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 24, 2024 7:01:57 GMT
I think he will at least match it. He's at 9 Oscar nods. Could get a supporting nom for Gladiator 2 putting him at 10 around 70 years old. Can he get two more nominations after that provided he's in good health? I think so. As long as he stays in good health (and that is the key) or doesn't decide to suddenly quit acting, Nicholson's record is gone. I think he hits 13. AMPAS, more than with any working actor, seriously considers him for any remotely baity seeming role/project, so even though Antoine Fuqua isn't a baity director ( Training Day excepted) the character and storyline of Hannibal is definitely baity enough to make that another potential nomination on the horizon. He could potentially be on 11 nods within the next 2-3 years. Now after age 70, he's got to slow down on the genre action films, or stop them altogether . Which means him doing more meditative, baity character studies/dramas about old guys. Things like The Verdict. Maybe another role in an August Wilson adaptation. Or a filmed version of King Lear. The type of things that could easily net him nominations. I think he'll start baiting more simply as a consequence of his age, and having to do less physical movies. And once he also gets around to working with more baity auteurs like PTA or Steve McQueen, it's a wrap.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 24, 2024 7:44:43 GMT
* futuretrunks - in the DiCap thread you said DiCap would be happy with 10-11, right - so he falls short? * But you ALSO said he would eventually beat Washington 's totals and Washington would surpass Nicholson ^ * But you ALSO said Cooper "probably would surpass DiCap" .......... * so could you pick a lane or do you actually think THREE guys will surpass Nicholson? Not tie him but surpass his 12? * This is the same thing I said to you before - it's pace and age: Actors in their 70s who already have a lot of nods - 5+ say - have only getten a maximum of 2 nods after 70 (Newman, Hopkins, Duvall iirc)* Could Washington get 3 nods in his 70s + to tie Nicholson and FOUR to surpass?
Yes. he "could" - but again - he would be doing something no one else has ever done - it's that betting thing again.....don't bet on people doing something that's never been done before (imo)
* Cooper getting 8 nods after 50 (which would be 13 total) or DiCaprio getting 7 after 50 (which would be 13) would also doing what's never been done before......like Washington getting 4 after 70 +
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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 24, 2024 7:58:00 GMT
* futuretrunks - in the DiCap thread you said DiCap would be happy with 10-11, right - so he falls short? * But you ALSO said he would eventually beat Washington 's totals and Washington would surpass Nicholson ^ * But you ALSO said Cooper "probably would surpass DiCap" .......... * so could you pick a lane or do you actually think THREE guys will surpass Nicholson? Not tie him but surpass his 12? * This is the same thing I said to you before - it's pace and age: Actors in their 70s who already have a lot of nods - 5+ say - have only getten a maximum of 2 nods after 70 (Newman, Hopkins, Duvall iirc)* Could Washington get 3 nods in his 70s + to tie Nicholson and FOUR to surpass?
Yes. he "could" - but again - he would be doing something no one else has ever done - it's that betting thing again.....don't bet on people doing something that's never been done before (imo)
* Cooper getting 8 nods after 50 (which would be 13 total) or DiCaprio getting 7 after 50 (which would be 13) would also doing what's never been done before......like Washington getting 4 after 70 +
I think all three will match, and at least one will surpass. Nicholson seems awfully self-satisfied there. He's "accomplished his legacy" in his eyes. Posterity is a foreign concept.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 24, 2024 8:10:52 GMT
* futuretrunks - in the DiCap thread you said DiCap would be happy with 10-11, right - so he falls short? * But you ALSO said he would eventually beat Washington 's totals and Washington would surpass Nicholson ^ * But you ALSO said Cooper "probably would surpass DiCap" .......... * so could you pick a lane or do you actually think THREE guys will surpass Nicholson? Not tie him but surpass his 12? * This is the same thing I said to you before - it's pace and age: Actors in their 70s who already have a lot of nods - 5+ say - have only getten a maximum of 2 nods after 70 (Newman, Hopkins, Duvall iirc)* Could Washington get 3 nods in his 70s + to tie Nicholson and FOUR to surpass?
Yes. he "could" - but again - he would be doing something no one else has ever done - it's that betting thing again.....don't bet on people doing something that's never been done before (imo)
* Cooper getting 8 nods after 50 (which would be 13 total) or DiCaprio getting 7 after 50 (which would be 13) would also doing what's never been done before......like Washington getting 4 after 70 +
I think all three will match, and at least one will surpass. People get way too carried away in the moment. Cooper is not going to match Nicholson . I'll bet that he'll get nowhere close to Jack's total. Cooper fits the classic pattern of Clooney/Beatty....the star/ auteur. AMPAS always moves on from this kind of star/filmmaker, no matter how much it looks like they will keep nominating them forever. I think if Cooper wins any kind of Oscar ( whether for writing or producing) he might even never get an acting nomination again. It happens. At most, I think Cooper could get 1-2 more acting nominations, but he could also be done at 5. I can't see AMPAS letting him get anywhere near Jack. I also give DiCaprio a better chance than other people right now of finishing ahead of Cooper in terms of acting nods. But again, people are prisoners to the moment, so I can see why that's happening.
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Post by franklin on Jan 24, 2024 10:26:35 GMT
Nah, no way, Washington is nearing 70 and he's at 9 nominations.
Maybe another one and that's it.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 24, 2024 10:44:07 GMT
Nah, no way, Washington is nearing 70 and he's at 9 nominations. Maybe another one and that's it. He's the most beloved working male actor by AMPAS. He gets nominated for pretty much every Oscarbait project he does. Even the ones that fail critically and commercially ( ie Roman J Israel Esq). The last time he missed an acting nomination for an Oscarbait project was American Gangster in 2007. They almost never snub him anymore. And he's still and A-lister and one of the biggest stars on the planet. Unless you think he's only going to do one more Oscarbait project or that he's just going to retire and stop acting after Gladiator 2, this makes zero sense. They still gave DeNiro and Pacino nominations at 80 and they are nowhere near as consistent with AMPAS as Washington. If Washington Oscarbaits 7 times in the next 10 years, his track record since 2007 suggests he'll convert most of those to nominations. Converting 3 or 4 to nominations doesn't seem like a hard task for him. Denzel, if he's acting into his 80's, has multiple nominations left in him. Easily. And he probably gets a 3rd win as well.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Jan 24, 2024 15:21:32 GMT
Yes. Denzel has a serious chance of getting his 10th nomination for Gladiator 2 this time next year if Ridley can deliver. Perhaps even if the film doesn’t deliver, because his role does sound sizable and baity on its own, plus its the freshness of seeing him in an ancient swords and sandals type film which he’s never done that could entice voters.
If he does get to 10 with that film, he definitely can get to at least 2 more nominations in his 70s to tie Nicholson, and probably more than that.
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Post by stephen on Jan 24, 2024 15:28:56 GMT
I think it's inevitable. In the last decade he's racked up four nominations at a time when most actors are slowing down in their nomination count. And I do think coming as close as he did in 2016 is what really got him that afterglow nod for Roman J. Israel, Esq., and I think he's reached a point in his career where anything that he does that is remotely baity, he'll be in consideration for. Now he's actively seeking out auteurs to work with because he recognizes (rightly) that he can't keep doing the action flicks at his age, but he's hale and hearty for his age and he can enter the zone of supporting roles which will expand his opportunities. It remains to be seen how Gladiator II will be but if it's good, he's almost assuredly going to be in contention,
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 24, 2024 15:49:38 GMT
I think it's inevitable. It remains to be seen how Gladiator II will be but if it's good, he's almost assuredly going to be in contention, If I was being a sarcastic smart-ass ( moi?) I'd say you JUST said this to me yesterday : "This time last year, people were saying there was no way DiCaprio was missing for Scorsese's largest budget film."It certainly is possible but it is not in any way remotely "inevitable" - inevitable is a discernible pattern that can be replicated - ie getting to 10, 11 even - not an entirely new pattern of 12+ - not saying you're wrong - it could happen - but that's really the wrong word to use.......that's hyperbole tbh Who do you think is more likely to get a nod next - DiCap, Washington or both equally? Answer carefully .............this post will be checked in a year and followed up on
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Post by stephen on Jan 24, 2024 16:00:10 GMT
I think it's inevitable. It remains to be seen how Gladiator II will be but if it's good, he's almost assuredly going to be in contention, If I was being a sarcastic smart-ass ( moi?) I'd say you JUST said this to me yesterday : "This time last year, people were saying there was no way DiCaprio was missing for Scorsese's largest budget film."It certainly is possible but it is not in any way remotely "inevitable" - inevitable is a discernible pattern that can be replicated - ie getting to 10, 11 even - not an entirely new pattern of 12+ - not saying you're wrong - it could happen - but that's really the wrong word to use.......that's hyperbole tbh Who do you think is more likely to get a nod next - DiCap, Washington or both equally? Answer carefully .............this post will be checked in a year and followed up on Washington has a film out next year, DiCaprio likely doesn't, as I don't expect the PTA to come out in 2024. And as I said, I feel like Washington is likely to be in contention for Gladiator II unless it's a stinker. Anytime he's in a movie with a whiff of prestige lately, he gets in. And he keeps working regularly with no signs of slowing down.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 24, 2024 16:15:01 GMT
If I was being a sarcastic smart-ass ( moi?) I'd say you JUST said this to me yesterday : "This time last year, people were saying there was no way DiCaprio was missing for Scorsese's largest budget film."It certainly is possible but it is not in any way remotely "inevitable" - inevitable is a discernible pattern that can be replicated - ie getting to 10, 11 even - not an entirely new pattern of 12+ - not saying you're wrong - it could happen - but that's really the wrong word to use.......that's hyperbole tbh Who do you think is more likely to get a nod next - DiCap, Washington or both equally? Answer carefully .............this post will be checked in a year and followed up on Washington has a film out next year, DiCaprio likely doesn't, as I don't expect the PTA to come out in 2024. This isn't really the point though - Ridley Scott hasn't delivered Oscar nods for actors in 20 years mostly (I think just 2 in 20 years off the top of my head?) and PTA often does .......... though not for Licorice Pizza........ There's a "playing the percentages logic" I think you're missing in favor ofwhat I called hyperbole - but fair enough - we'll see how it plays out .....like I said both scenarios are possble - 4 Washington nods post-70 ; 7 DiCaprio nods post-50...........but I still think Jack's achievement is being disrespected in all of our ruminations.........
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Post by paulgallo on Jan 24, 2024 16:24:31 GMT
Why are people putting so much stock into Gladiator 2? Judging from Scott's last three films it likely won't be an above-the-line player at the Oscars.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 24, 2024 17:07:46 GMT
Why are people putting so much stock into Gladiator 2? Judging from Scott's last three films it likely won't be an above-the-line player at the Oscars. Napoleon still got 3 Oscar nominations, with so-so reviews. Below the line nods, but so what? Imagine if the reviews were actually good. Then it's an easy Best Picture contender.That's the power of Ridley Scott. Anything he does has to be considered a potential Oscar contender, above or below the line. House Of Gucci missed at the Oscars (except for make-up and hair) yet it got Best British Film and Best Actress nods at BAFTA....so it was a serious contender, despite again, so--so reviews. For me the only reason The Last Duel didn't do anything at the Oscars was because it's box office was so catastrophically bad. Quality wise (and review wise) it's one of his best films in years, and had it done even respectable box office, I think it'd have done well across the board at the Oscars ( a Jodie Comer nomination etc). So yeah, Ridley is still a force to be reckoned with and is always in play as a prestige filmmaker. Combine that with the first Gladiator film being a Best Picture winner, an Oscar magnet like Denzel in it and a critically respected, also Oscar nominated young lead like Paul Mescal, it has as good a chance as any Ridley film to be an awards season player, and there is an expectation there. No one has a crystal ball. It could disappoint or it could do well across the board. That's why we wait for the films to come out
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Post by JangoB on Jan 24, 2024 17:43:44 GMT
Why are people putting so much stock into Gladiator 2? Judging from Scott's last three films it likely won't be an above-the-line player at the Oscars. Napoleon still got 5 Oscar nominations, with so-so reviews. Below the line nods, but so what? Imagine if the reviews were actually good. Then it's an easy Best Picture contender.That's the power of Ridley Scott. Anything he does has to be considered a potential Oscar contender, above or below the line. House Of Gucci missed at the Oscars (except for make-up and hair) yet it got Best Picture and Best Actress at BAFTA....so it was a serious contender, despite again, so--so reviews. For me the only reason The Last Duel didn't do anything at the Oscars was because it's box office was so catastrophically bad. Quality wise (and review wise) it's one of his best films in years, and had it done even respectable box office, I think it'd have done well across the board at the Oscars ( a Jodie Comer nomination etc). So yeah, Ridley is still a force to be reckoned with and is always in play as a prestige filmmaker. Combine that with the first Gladiator film being a Best Picture winner, an Oscar magnet like Denzel in it and a critically respected, also Oscar nominated young lead like Paul Mescal, it has as good a chance as any Ridley film to be an awards season player, and there is an expectation there. No one has a crystal ball. It could disappoint or it could do well across the board. That's why we wait for the films to come out "Napoleon still got 5 Oscar nominations" - it got 3. "Below the line nods, but so what?" - means that Gladiator 2 is likelier not to be an above-the-line player, just like paulgallo said. "Imagine if the reviews were actually good." - we'd be talking about a different case altogether then? "House Of Gucci missed at the Oscars (except for make-up and hair) yet it got Best Picture and Best Actress at BAFTA" - it wasn't nominated for BP at the BAFTAs, only Best British Film alongside Actress and Makeup. "The Last Duel... Quality wise (and review wise) it's one of his best films in years" - sure but that's not that tough of a task, and despite its good reception, it certainly wasn't among the best-reviewed films of the year in general.
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Post by stabcaesar on Jan 24, 2024 17:51:28 GMT
Washington has a film out next year, DiCaprio likely doesn't, as I don't expect the PTA to come out in 2024. This isn't really the point though - Ridley Scott hasn't delivered Oscar nods for actors in 20 years mostly (I think just 2 in 20 years off the top of my head?) and PTA often does .......... though not for Licorice Pizza........ 3 in 20 years, and Gaga (and Leto) got very close and likely only missed because her campaign was fucking insufferable, so it's not like AMPAS hates his actors or anything.
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Post by countjohn on Jan 24, 2024 17:58:20 GMT
What's the most nominations anyone's gotten post 70? 3-4 just seems like a reach. Especially since I could see him going more the Gladiator II route (supporting roles in big commercial movies) instead of the auteur route. He just seems to like being in big movies.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 24, 2024 18:01:34 GMT
This isn't really the point though - Ridley Scott hasn't delivered Oscar nods for actors in 20 years mostly (I think just 2 in 20 years off the top of my head?) and PTA often does .......... though not for Licorice Pizza........ 3 in 20 years, and Gaga (and Leto) got very close and likely only missed because her campaign was fucking insufferable, so it's not like AMPAS hates his actors or anything. True - I'm just saying there's a thread where people are saying DiCaprio has hit a wall - and I'm saying if I was betting - which I might because I bet too much and have several addictions - I'm more likely to bet on him knocking down that wall - with the guy who has better luck in that regard rather than Ridley Scott does - and I love Ridley Scott .............ymmv My point is that for me neither Washington or DiCap are in a particularly "good" position to pass Nicholson........but nominations for each of their next movies are key for them to have a shot........
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 24, 2024 18:32:34 GMT
What's the most nominations anyone's gotten post 70? 3-4 just seems like a reach. Especially since I could see him going more the Gladiator II route (supporting roles in big commercial movies) instead of the auteur route. He just seems to like being in big movies. Ridley Scott is an auteur. And Gladiator 2 counts as an auteur project. Since when did being an auteur become synonymous with being uncommercial and small? Martin Scorsese just spent 200 million dollars to make his last movie with the world's biggest movie star. It wasn't a small arthouse project. Not long before that, he spent 160 million dollars to make a crime movie ( The Irishman). These are big films. Barbie was an auteur movie with commercial appeal. Almost everything Christiopher Nolan does is commercial, but still very much the work of an auteur. Same for Tarantino. Same for Spielberg.Even PTA's new film with DiCaprio is being openly advertised as his most commercial project to date with a 100 million dollar budget. The studio is expecting that thing to make money. There is nothing incompatible with auteurs who also make big movies with commercial appeal. DiCaprio makes nothing but big movies and he only works with auteurs.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 24, 2024 18:40:26 GMT
Napoleon still got 5 Oscar nominations, with so-so reviews. Below the line nods, but so what? Imagine if the reviews were actually good. Then it's an easy Best Picture contender.That's the power of Ridley Scott. Anything he does has to be considered a potential Oscar contender, above or below the line. House Of Gucci missed at the Oscars (except for make-up and hair) yet it got Best Picture and Best Actress at BAFTA....so it was a serious contender, despite again, so--so reviews. For me the only reason The Last Duel didn't do anything at the Oscars was because it's box office was so catastrophically bad. Quality wise (and review wise) it's one of his best films in years, and had it done even respectable box office, I think it'd have done well across the board at the Oscars ( a Jodie Comer nomination etc). So yeah, Ridley is still a force to be reckoned with and is always in play as a prestige filmmaker. Combine that with the first Gladiator film being a Best Picture winner, an Oscar magnet like Denzel in it and a critically respected, also Oscar nominated young lead like Paul Mescal, it has as good a chance as any Ridley film to be an awards season player, and there is an expectation there. No one has a crystal ball. It could disappoint or it could do well across the board. That's why we wait for the films to come out "Napoleon still got 5 Oscar nominations" - it got 3. "Below the line nods, but so what?" - means that Gladiator 2 is likelier not to be an above-the-line player, just like paulgallo said. "Imagine if the reviews were actually good." - we'd be talking about a different case altogether then? "House Of Gucci missed at the Oscars (except for make-up and hair) yet it got Best Picture and Best Actress at BAFTA" - it wasn't nominated for BP at the BAFTAs, only Best British Film alongside Actress and Makeup. "The Last Duel... Quality wise (and review wise) it's one of his best films in years" - sure but that's not that tough of a task, and despite its good reception, it certainly wasn't among the best-reviewed films of the year in general. Corrections noted and changed in my post, thanks. My points still stand though.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 24, 2024 19:23:11 GMT
I’m pretty excited for Gladiator 2 and if Denzel got a nom out if that would just mean it really delivered so I’d be thrilled. That being said I in no way would predict Denzel sight u seen of feel he’s even likely to get nominated for it. Time will tell and I’m happy to be wrong, I just don’t think it’s the lay-up that some of you do.
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