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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jan 16, 2024 8:22:47 GMT
Thought this thread might be useful for random questions people might have about specific plot-related details in movies... the kind of stuff that you can’t find a satisfactory answer to elsewhere (or are too lazy to search for). Things you're confused about, or would like to read different interpretations on, etc. This is what I miss about the individual film message boards on IMDb... Anyway, my question is about Naked (1993), which I just rewatched. The film intercuts the main character Johnny and a subplot involving the character of Jeremy (played by Greg Crutwell), and I’m curious what people’s thoughts are on the latter’s role in the film. As a wealthy rapist/stockbroker, he seems to serve as a foil of sorts for Johnny (who is homeless and unemployed, but similarly despicable), but I’m not entirely convinced that his character really adds much to the film. Is he only there to illustrate the fact that antisocial behavior cuts across class divisions, or is he functioning thematically in another way that I’m missing? If the only purpose to his character is serving as a distorted mirror to Johnny, I’m not sure it really justifies the amount of screentime that he gets since he's rather underwritten, especially compared to Johnny. I’ve seen some reviews that consider Jeremy’s character to be the weakest aspect of the film, but I’m open to other takes.  |
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Post by Nikan on Jan 16, 2024 9:00:48 GMT
^ Been ages but that guy (the titular character?) represented capitalism or something. The uncomfortable amount of abuse he does on screen though I found fascinating to watch; never really questioned his screentime (but again, watched it a long time ago)... probably most annoying chuckle ever too.
Speaking of abuse: do you think Lydia Tar was indeed a sexual predator or not?
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 16, 2024 14:08:36 GMT
Speaking of abuse: do you think Lydia Tar was indeed a sexual predator or not? Well Lydia thinks she was - I mean that vomit scene (brilliant btw) is the giveaway to her and our giveaway which she misses is those ghosts that Lydia doesn't see but we do (or actually "can" if we want to see them - took me at least 2 watches, maybe 3 because me dumb sumtimes) On the other hand this is why our world is fncked up because this is how someone else viewed that scene - so tell me I can't use the word Woke unironically ............when it leads to this kind of misreading of a movie in a major US newspaper .  Imagine the mind it takes to do these kinds of mental gymnastics..... In a key scene, Tár goes to a massage parlor that's a front for a brothel. As a White woman, she's so appalled by the degradation of Asian women, she runs onto the filthy street and vomits on-camera. As her final humiliation, Tár must conduct an orchestra in a rundown, surrealist venue.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 16, 2024 15:02:48 GMT
Since I recently watched this with my kids…spoilers for Migration: So the ducks basically left the evil French chef to die, right? Like there’s no way he survived that. |
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Jan 16, 2024 15:11:47 GMT
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 16, 2024 15:14:08 GMT
Pop a gummy and you might enjoy yourself |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 16, 2024 18:10:30 GMT
I'd also say in this thread this s a good place to clear up things we can never know: * In The Godfather Part 2 "Michael Corleone says hello" does NOT need to necessarily be a mistake or an audience fake-our / cheat - we have no way of knowing that and it could be something else......something Hyman Roth conveyed to make that "appear" to be true....now that isn't WHY it's in there but the fact that it is there suggests mutiple possibilities NOT just 2......... * In Manticore (2022) - which I think only (s)martinstett has seen - we have no way of knowing whether the child dies, whether each of the leads was molested exactly or precisely how the main character interprets that drawing prior to jumping off the ledge - as a sweet act by a child he violated / killed - ie merely innocent Art - or a depiction of himself (or someone else?) that revealed him (or someone else?) as a monster like that? ........and NONE of that plays like a cheat imo which is incredible because it can't all be THAT unclear  ....... I need help understanding that awesome movie /ending ffs -  |
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Post by Martin Stett on Jan 16, 2024 18:20:37 GMT
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
Why?
I'll let the reader fill in the blanks as to what precisely I'm asking. Your interpretation will likely be valid.
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Post by ireallyamsomething on Mar 20, 2024 22:36:20 GMT
I'd also say in this thread this s a good place to clear up things we can never know: * In The Godfather Part 2 "Michael Corleone says hello" does NOT need to necessarily be a mistake or an audience fake-our / cheat - we have no way of knowing that and it could be something else......something Hyman Roth conveyed to make that "appear" to be true....now that isn't WHY it's in there but the fact that it is there suggests mutiple possibilities NOT just 2......... * In Manticore (2022) - which I think only (s)martinstett has seen - we have no way of knowing whether the child dies, whether each of the leads was molested exactly or precisely how the main character interprets that drawing prior to jumping off the ledge - as a sweet act by a child he violated / killed - ie merely innocent Art - or a depiction of himself (or someone else?) that revealed him (or someone else?) as a monster like that? ........and NONE of that plays like a cheat imo which is incredible because it can't all be THAT unclear ....... I need help understanding that awesome movie /ending ffs - I've seen it only once and I guess some of it is intentionally unclear but [ Manticore SPOILERS ahead - the spoiler tag isn't working for some reason] . . . . . . - I didn't think the child died...don't think he meant to kill him, probably just drug and subdue him (if the kid was dead I reckon the ending would be different)
- Did wonder if the protagonist's father was abusive too but the film didn't seem to delve too much into that - Both of your interpretations regarding that drawing scene seem valid, though I assumed it was just a symbol of an innocent, affectionate act which made him even more horrified and guilt-stricken at the heinous act he was planning What did you think of Diana's final couple of scenes with Julian? Since it's mentioned earlier that she hasn't just heard of the accusation but actually saw the drawing, assuming she connected the dots between the child model's looks (we don't see how explicit it finally was) and the resemblance to her. ..so her final decision or act seems like an unusual form of grace - wasn't totally sure how I felt about it, but the film does lend or invite empathy even in uncomfortable situations throughout. This also reminded me of a film I really loved, The Woodsman (2004), which has maybe one of my favorite scenes ever (okay favorite doesn't quite sound right, maybe the scene which made me feel the most complex and powerful emotions) in a way similar to the aforementioned drawing scene. EDIT: The spoiler tag seems to be there but working wonkily for some reason   |
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 20, 2024 22:57:02 GMT
I'd also say in this thread this s a good place to clear up things we can never know: * In The Godfather Part 2 "Michael Corleone says hello" does NOT need to necessarily be a mistake or an audience fake-our / cheat - we have no way of knowing that and it could be something else......something Hyman Roth conveyed to make that "appear" to be true....now that isn't WHY it's in there but the fact that it is there suggests mutiple possibilities NOT just 2......... * In Manticore (2022) - which I think only (s)martinstett has seen - we have no way of knowing whether the child dies, whether each of the leads was molested exactly or precisely how the main character interprets that drawing prior to jumping off the ledge - as a sweet act by a child he violated / killed - ie merely innocent Art - or a depiction of himself (or someone else?) that revealed him (or someone else?) as a monster like that? ........and NONE of that plays like a cheat imo which is incredible because it can't all be THAT unclear ....... I need help understanding that awesome movie /ending ffs - I've seen it only once and I guess some of it is intentionally unclear but [ Manticore SPOILERS ahead - the spoiler tag isn't working for some reason] . . . . . . - I didn't think the child died...don't think he meant to kill him, probably just drug and subdue him (if the kid was dead I reckon the ending would be different)
- Did wonder if the protagonist's father was abusive too but the film didn't seem to delve too much into that - Both of your interpretations regarding that drawing scene seem valid, though I assumed it was just a symbol of an innocent, affectionate act which made him even more horrified and guilt-stricken at the heinous act he was planning What did you think of Diana's final couple of scenes with Julian? Since it's mentioned earlier that she hasn't just heard of the accusation but actually saw the drawing, assuming she connected the dots between the child model's looks (we don't see how explicit it finally was) and the resemblance to her...so her final decision or act seems like an unusual form of grace - wasn't totally sure how I felt about it, but the film does lend or invite empathy even in uncomfortable situations throughout. hich has maybe one of my favorite scenes ever (okay favorite doesn't quite sound right, maybe the scene which made me feel the most complex and powerful emotions) in a way similar to the aforementioned drawing scene. EDIT: The spoiler tag seems to be there but working wonkily for some reason Diana's & Julian - grace is the EXACT word almost as if she willed what eventually happens to happen.......that of course is impossible but it plays of course like her father ........I love this movie and the lead performance by Nacho Sánchez which suggests so much but remains obscure.........one of the few recent films that I have a hard time shaking off tbh |
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Imagine the mind it takes to do these kinds of mental gymnastics.....
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