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Post by TylerDeneuve on Jan 15, 2024 23:29:44 GMT
Which of these luminous, beautiful actresses who happen to be the only two women who have won an acting prize from all three of the premier European film festivals and who both happen to be named Juli do you personally prefer?
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Post by countjohn on Jan 16, 2024 0:57:07 GMT
Easy for me. Like Moore in End of the Affair, Far From Heaven, and her win (despite the movie itself being a PSA) but her overacting tendencies come out frequently and have bothered me more and more over the years.
Binoche is a goddess and living legend. Prob. a top five actress for me along with Streep, K. Hepburn, Ullmann, and Blanchett. Three Colors Blue, English Patient, Cache, and Certified Copy are all all timer work and she's always good.
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Post by ibbi on Jan 16, 2024 14:05:48 GMT
I'm a Moore fanboy, but easily Binoche. Her highs are higher, her lows are nowhere near as low.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Jan 16, 2024 14:52:38 GMT
her lows are nowhere near as low. Listen, Binoche benefits from her country's reverence for legendary actresses, but... she is definitely not above a cash grab herself.
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Post by ibbi on Jan 16, 2024 17:34:56 GMT
her lows are nowhere near as low. Listen, Binoche benefits from her country's reverence for legendary actresses, but... she is definitely not above a cash grab herself. I'm not talking about cash grabs, I have no issue with that I'm talking about bad performances. I don't think there's a single other performer I count among my absolute all-time faves who has given as many performances I cannot stand as Moore. As far as I can recall, I don't think I've ever disliked Binoche in anything. I've seen her phone it in and be uninteresting, and some might argue that's worse than being outright bad, but I would not be one of them.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Jan 16, 2024 17:40:56 GMT
ibbi - Just out of curiosity, which performances of Moore's would you call "bad"? Beyond, like, Carrie and Hannibal... Which to me were cash grabs.
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Post by ibbi on Jan 16, 2024 17:48:53 GMT
I quite liked her in Carrie Magnolia, Maps to the Stars, and What Maisie Knew are the ones that come immediately to mind. And this
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Jan 16, 2024 17:52:40 GMT
Magnolia, Maps to the Stars, and What Maisie Knew are the ones that come immediately to mind. I haven't seen What Maisie Knew, but as for your other two suggestions...
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Post by countjohn on Jan 16, 2024 19:26:05 GMT
ibbi - Just out of curiosity, which performances of Moore's would you call "bad"? Beyond, like, Carrie and Hannibal... Which to me were cash grabs. Not a popular opinion but I thought Moore was dreadful in The Hours, like a parody of an existential crisis and so fake and overwrought. And yes, she's really bad in Hannibal too regardless of the quality of the movie. Maybe not full on "bad" but I also think she overacts in May December as well and it brings the movie down a bit. Binoche has done some "cash grab" as you put it studio films recently but the thing is she still gives good performances in her supporting parts in things like Godzilla and Ghost in the Shell, the way somebody like Gene Hackman did when he started doing a lot of bad guy roles in crummy action movies and thrillers when he was older.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Jan 19, 2024 3:47:04 GMT
Since one of the best reasons to compare them is that Triple Crown European Festival stat... Whose trio of winning performances do you prefer overall?
BINOCHE Berlin: The English Patient Cannes: Certified Copy Venice: Three Colors: Blue
MOORE Berlin: The Hours Cannes: Maps to the Stars Venice: Far from Heaven
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Post by avnermoriarti on Jan 19, 2024 5:47:32 GMT
I LOVE Julianne Moore but Binoche takes it quite handly for me, there's something instantly legendary about her, from the very beginning her face has said it all and I think is cool that she just goes around the Globe looking for her next collaboration. This is an odd pairing because they're not similar outside of that awards acomplishment (alll six performances are great in my eyes but I'd still pick Binoche here, Three Colors Blue and Certified Copy are all-timers and where those characters leads her are far more appealing places for me. In any case Binoche rarely dives into the same territory as Moore and I don't think they would do as well in each others movies.
And Binoche even in her cash grabs she's commited to her paper-thin roles, in Godzilla and Ghost in the Shell she's the only one I cared for.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Jan 19, 2024 14:55:11 GMT
This is an odd pairing because they're not similar outside of that awards acomplishment (alll six performances are great in my eyes but I'd still pick Binoche here, Three Colors Blue and Certified Copy are all-timers and where those characters leads her are far more appealing places for me. I definitely prefer Binoche's trio of prize-winning performances, as well - Far from Heaven is the only one of Moore's that is an all-timer, and is my overall favorite of the 6.
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Post by ibbi on Jan 19, 2024 17:49:28 GMT
Since one of the best reasons to compare them is that Triple Crown European Festival stat... Whose trio of winning performances do you prefer overall? BINOCHEBerlin: The English PatientCannes: Certified CopyVenice: Three Colors: BlueMOOREBerlin: The HoursCannes: Maps to the StarsVenice: Far from Heaven
Berlin v. Berlin - Moore. Cannes v. Cannes - linkVenice v. Venice - Binoche. Ranking: 1. Certified Copy 2. The Hours 3. Blue 4. Far From Heaven 5. The English Patient 6. linkThat Binoche trio is outSTANDING. When the worst one is a performance you deservedly won an Oscar for that is saying something. If you ask me, Jules should have won Venice, Berlin, and both the Oscars in that 6 month period for those 2 performances. As far as the other one is concerned... Well, there is certainly something to be admired about actors willing to humiliate themselves on screen for once great artists. Everyone in that film over the age of 30 had to have been on something.
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Post by Weaver Addict on Jan 19, 2024 21:17:08 GMT
I voted for Moore only because I've seen more of her filmography than Binoche but I adore them both. Moore is aces in Magnolia (the pharmacy scene). Over the top? Hell yeah and I loved every single fucking minute. Then she has that scene at the end with PSH that is just heartbreaking. It's my favorite performance of hers. I fell in love with Binoche when I saw The English Patient and it's never waivered. Her face just invites you in. She's in my top 5 of Best Supporting Actress winners and shall remain there until I'm dead. I really need to revisit Blue because frankly, I can't remember a damn thing about it. Forgive me. I'm old but not as old as that Pacino Addict that shuffles around here. Her Oscar speech is short but this made me fall more in love with her (that laugh) and she looks Amazing in that outfit. Go to the 3:00 minute mark if you don't want to listen to Spacey. link
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 19, 2024 21:47:23 GMT
Forgive me. I'm old but not as old as that Pacino Addict that shuffles around here. That's so insulting though - not all addicts are the same "Weaver Addict"........... IF that even is your real name! ........... pacinoyes or - pacino eyes to dumb people - is also a Huppert Addict, a Djokovic Addict, a Music Addict, a Coffee Addict, a Money / Capitalism Addict, he means so much to so many who can never truly understand him anyway and if they did they'd cut off their ears and swallow their tongues while blinding themselves.........nor can they..........even completely follow.......his.........odd............punctuation .........to just reduce this Renaissance Man - "Half Man, Half Amazing" as the tattoo above his groin says to a mere "Pacino Addict" is like saying Catherine The Great liked horses "a little" or Johnny Thunders dabbled in heroin....... Side note: pacinoyes is not really that old - that's a part of the act - ask Nikan - only Nikon knows! J/K, pacinoyes is old as fnck......Happy New Year WeaveAddy
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Post by Nikan on Jan 19, 2024 22:01:33 GMT
Forgive me. I'm old but not as old as that Pacino Addict that shuffles around here. pacinoyes or - pacinoeyes to dumb people - is also a Huppert Addict, a Djokovic Addict, a Music Addict, a Coffee Addict, a Money / Capitalism Addict, he means so much to so many who can never truly understand him anyway and if they did they'd cut off their ears and swallow their tongues while blinding themselves.........nor can they..........even completely follow.......his.........odd............punctuation .........to just reduce this Renaissance Man - "Half Man, Half Amazing" as the tattoo above his groin says to a mere "Pacino Addict" is like saying Catherine The Great liked horses "a little" or Johnny Thunders dabbled in heroin.......Youngsters warn each other about that sunavagun y'know.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Jan 29, 2024 20:01:09 GMT
So, I finally watched this, and... what you consider to be "bad" performances never ceases to shock me.
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Post by ibbi on Jan 29, 2024 20:55:11 GMT
So, I finally watched this, and... what you consider to be "bad" performances never ceases to shock me.
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Post by DanQuixote on Feb 1, 2024 13:07:26 GMT
Binoche is more consistent and she’s hit higher heights. She’s even great in her cash grabs! She’s in Godzilla for like two seconds and I still remember her performance haha.
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Post by Pavan on Feb 1, 2024 15:32:59 GMT
I find Julianne more versatile of the two, granted I've seen way more of her stuff. That said Moore can be bad (Kingsman: The Golden Circle, Seventh Son) whereas i have not seen a single bad performance of Juliette from the 6-7 times I've seen her.
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Post by JangoB on Feb 1, 2024 15:35:31 GMT
Juliette DESTROYS.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Feb 26, 2024 3:59:19 GMT
Another quality I think these two share is their ability to be very sensual and sexy while also conveying a protective, nurturing (maternal?) warmth ... It's a very tricky combination to pull off, I think!
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Post by countjohn on Feb 26, 2024 4:09:40 GMT
Another quality I think these two share is their ability to be very sensual and sexy while also conveying a protective, nurturing (maternal?) warmth ... It's a very tricky combination to pull off, I think! Bolded made me think of Deborah Kerr since we have another thread about her right now. Moore also played the same role in End of the Affair!
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Feb 26, 2024 4:19:33 GMT
countjohn - While Kerr was obviously a very pretty woman, she always came across as matronly to me as opposed to sexy... I could never imagine her as the top female pornstar, for instance (as Moore's character was in 'Boogie Nights').
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 26, 2024 7:26:42 GMT
countjohn - While Kerr was obviously a very pretty woman, she always came across as matronly to me as opposed to sexy... I could never imagine her as the top female pornstar, for instance (as Moore's character was in 'Boogie Nights'). Errr.. have you not seen From Here To Eternity? It may be tame by today's standards, but much of that movie was about Deborah Kerr's willingness to fuck. She really ditched any "matronly" image and successfuly played up her attractiveness and the inherent sex appeal that was always in her. It was very much a successful "against type" role that could have been played by any number of "sexpot" actresses of the time ( ie Ava Gardner or Rita Hayworth). So, I could imagine Kerr playing a top female pornstar. Maybe she'd only do it once and revert to type, but it was within her range to be overtly sexual and sexy.
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