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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 23, 2023 8:53:00 GMT
Disappointing version of the Von Erich tragedy (tragedies) that focuses on the big 4 Kerry, Kevin, David and Mike (there's more ffs) - and fudges or skates by events. Sort of like if KotFM was directed as a simple TV movie by a person with short attention span......it's too long and too short and uneven when it should be relentless.........
The film starts like gangbusters on Papa Fritz and his career and then seemingly is building to Kerry-Flair''s legendary match before it weirdly shifts into showing that match from Kerry's Mom's POV (weird choice)..........the next thing you know Kerry is well you know - which didn't happen until a couple years later - so at that point the film is severely hobbled (bad joke) and now Kevin is the key because the star is playing him.........David's death is off-camera .........weird choice again.........
The best parts of the movie are early on - where you can feel how important your place in the ring and your place in Dad's heart are dependent on success - there's some great scenes where Dad "ranks" the kids.......but it ain't enough - too much Kevin - too little a parade of Church Deaths, drug use, homoerotic subtext, backstage politics etc
Also you get maybe an idea of how big the family was in Texas but not how loved and how they needed to be because they weren't at home.......
Best performance is by Holt McCallany but even he is turned into a simpler movie cliche (sort of like THe Great Santini) while Kevin is sanctified........
Great recreation of the Sportatorium and good song use (Tom Petty, BOC, Rush) but if you thought The Wrestler made fun of wrestling fans, The Iron Claw treats them as people unable to spot a full tragic spectrum.......the Wikipedia page is more shocking, more tragic and more emotionally bracing tbh
Ah well.............
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Dec 23, 2023 14:51:23 GMT
I liked the movie, but it does feel to me like they would've been better off making a miniseries. As you said, there are just too many events they skate by that would've added more punch to the tragedies (not to mention completely omitting a brother) and the film gets overly repetitive in its structure as it becomes a survivor's guilt narrative - even if you're not a wrestling fan and don't know this story it's easy to tell whose turn it is to die by whether they suddenly start getting more screentime. I really dug the whole cast, though. I thought the rapport and dynamic between the brothers was terrifically detailed beyond how the script sort of undersells it. Holt McCallany as you pointed out is great despite the flattening of the character and I thought Harris Dickinson did a marvelous job with the unique art of wrestling promos - especially impressive compared to Aaron Dean Eisenberg completely butchering his attempt at Ric Flair. I want to note there is one scene that made me distinctly uncomfortable in a negative way: the scene following Kerry's suicide where we see him reunite with his dead brothers. While I get the easy gut-punch they were going for especially with that cut back, I think the inelegant placement of it puts the movie in the dubious position of leading audiences to thinking the movie is treating the scene as a literal afterlife and just on an ethical level the last thing I'd want anyone with any hint of suicidal ideation to think is that killing themselves will absolutely absolve them of suffering and reunite them with loved ones. I would rather if they needed to have the scene (which again I find cheap to begin with, but whatever) that they placed it right before the suicide and more directly from Kerry's perspective as his suicide note indicated. Just a thing I've become more conscious and sensitive to with media depictions of mental health.
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Post by stephen on Jan 7, 2024 15:01:06 GMT
Goddamn, did Sean Durkin hit me from the top rope on this one. The Iron Claw was evidently a long-gestating passion project for Durkin, and every year of that can be seen in his careful, meticulous, gorgeously choreographed depiction of one of the most harrowing and tragic family stories in American athletics. The Von Erich clan's saga is notorious in the world of wrestling (and I have been tangentially aware of it until I listened to Robert Evans's excellent breakdown of the events in his first installment of his six-part Vince McMahon takedown on Behind the Bastards), and while Durkin is forced to take some artistic liberties with the story (namely by excising one brother and compressing some of the tragedies to fit a more cinematically friendly timeline), he captures the agony and the ecstasy the Von Erichs endured so vividly.
What's more is that every single role in the film is meaty enough for their actors to sink their teeth into with relish, and everyone (and I mean everyone) steps up to the plate. As single-minded pater familias Fritz, Holt McCallany's laser-intense disapproval and monomaniacal urge to win at all costs could easily have gone off the rails, but he sidesteps cartoonishness and retains humanity every step of the way. We understand Fritz's drive and can see his desire as a savage twist of fatherly love and pride, because he does want the best for his boys . . . but he doesn't realize that being the best is not necessarily what's best. Maura Tierney has perhaps the most subdued role as Von Erich matriarch Dottie, but in the film's back half we see the true cost of motherhood's sacrifice etched in her visage, which supplements the entire performance when you take it as a whole. Lily James acquits herself well in what could have been a thankless one-dimensional role as the protagonist's love interest, showing little moments that cut deep when we see her realize that for all of her amour's physical strengths, he is often not strong enough in other ways to endure life's hardships.
And then you've got the boys themselves. Stanley Simons, who plays sensitive youngest brother Mike (who seems to have no real drive or interest in pursuing the family business), is a revelatory find here, hitting some of the film's more tragic beats with an almost D'Onofrio-like intensity. Jeremy Allen White's searing performance as Olympian-in-training Kerry could've warranted a film all on his own, and it shows that this guy has the chops to make it far on the auteur scene; there's some definitely Phoenix energy here that needs to be taken advantage of. And Harris Dickinson, who won me over brilliantly in his 2022 twofer, gives what might be the best supporting performance of the bunch as hype-man David, with a McConaughey-esque swagger that proves he would've been a perfect Elvis.
But then there's Zac Efron as oldest brother David. Ho. Lee. Shit. Efron's been champing at the bit to break free of the pretty-boy persona for quite a while with bold, eclectic roles (notably his Ted Bundy a few years back), but this performance is a juggernaut turn that should immediately obliterate any preconceived High School Musical notions. It's a performance that invokes the physicality of De Niro's La Motta, with a bruised vulnerability that comes off almost child-like at times. David is consumed not with love of the sport, but by love of his family and the duty bestowed on him by their stern taskmaster father to set an example for his brothers. The weight of the Von Erich legacy (and the Von Erich curse that comes along with it) hangs around David's neck like an albatross, and Efron's every breath and movement feels like he's struggling against that anchor, and any time that a glimmer of happiness comes into his life, he's holding his breath knowing the other shoe is about to drop. This is a true awards-caliber biopic portrayal and if there were any justice in the world, this would be the performance to beat come Oscar time.
The thing I found most impressive is how Durkin managed to portray this increasingly mounting tragedy without making it feel exhausting. There is certainly a version of this where the constant heaping of grief and misery could fall into the realm of the eye-rollingly ridiculous (i.e. the cancer diagnosis in Maestro), but The Iron Claw is far nimbler than one might expect. Durkin's choreographed it so precisely that every move packs a wallop, but gives room to breathe and recover before going in for the next killer shot.
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Post by stephen on Jan 7, 2024 15:24:29 GMT
the scene following Kerry's suicide where we see him reunite with his dead brothers. While I get the easy gut-punch they were going for especially with that cut back, I think the inelegant placement of it puts the movie in the dubious position of leading audiences to thinking the movie is treating the scene as a literal afterlife and just on an ethical level the last thing I'd want anyone with any hint of suicidal ideation to think is that killing themselves will absolutely absolve them of suffering and reunite them with loved ones. I would rather if they needed to have the scene (which again I find cheap to begin with, but whatever) that they placed it right before the suicide and more directly from Kerry's perspective as his suicide note indicated. I have read interpretations that that was actually all in David Kevin's mind, that it was him trying to find some sort of positivity in all of this tragedy, that at the very least his brothers were together wherever they were. I can definitely see why this scene can be taken in a negative way, especially for anyone with suicidal ideation, and I think in any other director's hands it would've been too much, but I think Durkin calibrated it as well as anyone could. The scene where Kerry comes out of the house and the camera pans down and you expect to see the gun in his hand, only to see his bare feet on the grass, and when he jumps in the air . . . that sent chills up my spine, in a good way.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jan 7, 2024 15:31:22 GMT
the scene following Kerry's suicide where we see him reunite with his dead brothers. While I get the easy gut-punch they were going for especially with that cut back, I think the inelegant placement of it puts the movie in the dubious position of leading audiences to thinking the movie is treating the scene as a literal afterlife and just on an ethical level the last thing I'd want anyone with any hint of suicidal ideation to think is that killing themselves will absolutely absolve them of suffering and reunite them with loved ones. I would rather if they needed to have the scene (which again I find cheap to begin with, but whatever) that they placed it right before the suicide and more directly from Kerry's perspective as his suicide note indicated. I have read interpretations that that was actually all in David's mind, that it was him trying to find some sort of positivity in all of this tragedy, that at the very least his brothers were together wherever they were. I can definitely see why this scene can be taken in a negative way, especially for anyone with suicidal ideation, and I think in any other director's hands it would've been too much, but I think Durkin calibrated it as well as anyone could. The scene where Kerry comes out of the house and the camera pans down and you expect to see the gun in his hand, only to see his bare feet on the grass, and when he jumps in the air . . . that sent chills up my spine, in a good way. I presume you meant it was all in Kevin's mind. I've seen that elsewhere and think that's what the film is going for, but that renders its specific placement necessary and that is where I have a bit of a problem with it. Also, the first thing I thought of when the scene revealed itself was Flealick:
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Post by stephen on Jan 7, 2024 15:35:45 GMT
I have read interpretations that that was actually all in David's mind, that it was him trying to find some sort of positivity in all of this tragedy, that at the very least his brothers were together wherever they were. I can definitely see why this scene can be taken in a negative way, especially for anyone with suicidal ideation, and I think in any other director's hands it would've been too much, but I think Durkin calibrated it as well as anyone could. The scene where Kerry comes out of the house and the camera pans down and you expect to see the gun in his hand, only to see his bare feet on the grass, and when he jumps in the air . . . that sent chills up my spine, in a good way. I presume you meant it was all in Kevin's mind. I've seen that elsewhere and think that's what the film is going for, but that renders its specific placement necessary and that is where I have a bit of a problem with it. Also, the first thing I thought of when the scene revealed itself was Flealick: Yes, sorry, Kevin.
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Post by forksforest on Jan 7, 2024 18:36:01 GMT
The highlight of the movie was the cast chemistry - capturing the primal, healing dynamic btwn the four brothers (and then, Pam) helped deliver the blow of each brother’s passing. Otherwise it felt like each brother’s arc (other than Kevin) was underwritten, with very shallow lead up to each tragedy, which is shocking considering they excised an entire brother from the narrative and the runtime was a little over 2 hours.
I’m curious how folks would rank the cast. Efron, Dickinson, and James were the standouts for me. McCallaney and Simons were solid. Allen White and Tierney I felt could’ve done a lot more had they been given more to do. Tierney especially so, where she felt quite one-note for what was a dynamic role with a lot (presumably) bubbling below the surface.
I’d give it a 7.5/10, a solid movie with excellent performances that emotionally landed but could’ve been utterly devastating with a script that did a deeper dive for each layer of tragedy that befell this family.
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Post by getclutch on Jan 11, 2024 21:28:00 GMT
Saw it the other night with a buddy of mine from work, very impressed. My only issue was the director not using Chris Von Erich in this film. Not sure what the issue was there?
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Post by getclutch on Jan 11, 2024 21:28:56 GMT
I liked the movie, but it does feel to me like they would've been better off making a miniseries. Not a bad idea at all. I'd also love a miniseries on the Hart family someday.
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Post by stephen on Jan 11, 2024 21:35:00 GMT
Saw it the other night with a buddy of mine from work, very impressed. My only issue was the director not using Chris Von Erich in this film. Not sure what the issue was there? Durkin said in an interview that Chris was originally in the script but that he excised him because he felt that it was just too much of a trauma-dump for one film, and that it would've hit a point where it became just too much for an audience to accept. So they folded some of the Chris stuff into Kerry's story. David was consulted about the decision and he has said that he understands why it was done, and I do think Durkin wasn't wrong in that it would've potentially tipped the scales too far to put one more tragic end into the story. A miniseries would've been able to accommodate the full scope of it but I don't think it hurts the film itself to leave Chris out, knowing the reason why.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jan 23, 2024 13:28:39 GMT
I thought it was quite strong. Themes of brothers and family bonds. One thing that surprised me is the most is how much Durkin uses film language to convey scenes. We know The Brothers are going through things, so why bother telling it out loud? The images speak for themselves. Zac Efron's performance could have been Oscar worthy too. He plays so many scenes outside of the ring incredibly laid back, that it makes his outburst at the end, all the more startling. General review - www.dansden.net/reviews/yk6kmgekrfw7ztxzrjal69g9w5srwp
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