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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 14, 2023 1:31:35 GMT
Let me preface this by saying I think he's one of the best working actors in the business right now, next to DiCaprio and Denzel, so this is not in the spirit of hate. I just don't really understand how he chooses movies. He's about to get his third Oscar nomination (and a possible win), and has unprecedented visibility in the industry (for him). Nolan is a fanboy of La La Land and loved First Man. Everybody has seen Barbie given it's the highest grossing film of the year; James Cameron's doing an actors on actors for Variety with Greta Gerwig. Yet his next movie is an Oceans 11 prequel with Margot Robbie directed by Jay Roach. Why? You have Tarantino, Spielberg, PTA, Ang Lee, Bennett Miller, and like 30 other respectable directors able or about to do something or other in 2024, yet you've committed yourself to a Jay Roach movie that will block you from even being available? How can Nolan cast you in his next thing if in fall 2024 or Q1 2025 you're doing Project Hail Mary with Lord and Miller or whatever? Does he have a blasé attitude about cinema, like all directors are fungible?  |
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 14, 2023 1:38:11 GMT
Not really a problem for me - he doesn't chase auteurs like DiCap and he's (far) better at comedy than Denzel has ever been - and doesn't really push a brand either.....I think he was overrated in Barbie (one note funny though) but his approach to his craft is kind of refreshing in a way......might be how he keeps a level head..........
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 14, 2023 1:53:11 GMT
Not really a problem for me - he doesn't chase auteurs like DiCap and he's (far) better at comedy than Denzel has ever been - and doesn't really push a brand either.....I think he was overrated in Barbie (one note funny though) but his approach to his craft is kind of refreshing in a way......might be how he keeps a level head.......... His approach to acting is why I love him, but not his approach to picking work. I think he could maintain being looser than a DiCaprio in terms of working with less established directors, while also not committing months of his life to clearly inferior films. I don't think there's a more talented actor in the history of the medium who's become a household name (or close to it) just floating through whatever like Gosling has done. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 14, 2023 2:44:13 GMT
Let me preface this by saying I think he's one of the best working actors in the business right now, next to DiCaprio and Denzel, so this is not in the spirit of hate. I just don't really understand how he chooses movies. He's about to get his third Oscar nomination (and a possible win), and has unprecedented visibility in the industry (for him). Nolan is a fanboy of La La Land and loved First Man. Everybody has seen Barbie given it's the highest grossing film of the year; James Cameron's doing an actors on actors for Variety with Greta Gerwig. Yet his next movie is an Oceans 11 prequel with Margot Robbie directed by Jay Roach. Why? You have Tarantino, Spielberg, PTA, Ang Lee, Bennett Miller, and like 30 other respectable directors able or about to do something or other in 2024, yet you've committed yourself to a Jay Roach movie that will block you from even being available? How can Nolan cast you in his next thing if in fall 2024 or Q1 2025 you're doing Project Hail Mary with Lord and Miller or whatever? Does he have a blasé attitude about cinema, like all directors are fungible? Big difference between DiCaprio/ Denzel and Gosling....those two are huge box office draws and have been for most of their careers. Gosling, despite being in some hit movies, arguably isn't much of an audience draw by himself. Gosling needs to be in a film with the right premise, the right co-stars etc to bring in crowds. It's not really about his "star presence". Barbie is actually a perfect example of that. Gosling, like many famous actors is more of an added value attraction to a film than a pure draw. After La La Land ( another good example) Gosling carried two back to back studio films that were considered major box office flops/disappointments ( Blade Runner 2049 and First Man). Those kind of back to back flops could have killed many leading man careers, but Gosling was lucky that both films got critical acclaim and he'd banked up enough good will in the industry. But doing things like The Gray Man afterwards were neccesary to get the stink of commercial failure off him. He was getting a reputation as box office poison. But that is why he can't move like he's DiCaprio and hold out for only the most regarded A-list auteur to make him an offer for only the most prestigious projects. He has a realistic perspective of his place in the industry. He's had too many flops to take his place for granted. A lot of A-list directors may like him, but he may still be 5th or 6th choice on many studio casting lists because his track record suggests he's not a safe bet to carry films at a certain budget level as the main attraction. Even something like Barbie (despite the presence of Greta Gerwig) would probably have been scoffed at at one of his sillier commercial choices before it actually came out, but it just happens to have been a hail mary that was a huge hit and worked in his favor critically and commercially. |
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Post by stephen on Dec 14, 2023 3:02:18 GMT
I'm not overly crazy about some of the big blockbuster plays he's been attempting lately for Netflix, and the news that he dropped out of the Cianfrance Wolfman project frustrates me to no end, but I've no doubt the Baby Goose will  back, especially as I imagine his forthcoming Oscar nomination will put him back on the radar of potential auteurs. |
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 14, 2023 5:33:04 GMT
Let me preface this by saying I think he's one of the best working actors in the business right now, next to DiCaprio and Denzel, so this is not in the spirit of hate. I just don't really understand how he chooses movies. He's about to get his third Oscar nomination (and a possible win), and has unprecedented visibility in the industry (for him). Nolan is a fanboy of La La Land and loved First Man. Everybody has seen Barbie given it's the highest grossing film of the year; James Cameron's doing an actors on actors for Variety with Greta Gerwig. Yet his next movie is an Oceans 11 prequel with Margot Robbie directed by Jay Roach. Why? You have Tarantino, Spielberg, PTA, Ang Lee, Bennett Miller, and like 30 other respectable directors able or about to do something or other in 2024, yet you've committed yourself to a Jay Roach movie that will block you from even being available? How can Nolan cast you in his next thing if in fall 2024 or Q1 2025 you're doing Project Hail Mary with Lord and Miller or whatever? Does he have a blasé attitude about cinema, like all directors are fungible? Big difference between DiCaprio/ Denzel and Gosling....those two are huge box office draws and have been for most of their careers. Gosling, despite being in some hit movies, arguably isn't much of an audience draw by himself. Gosling needs to be in a film with the right premise, the right co-stars etc to bring in crowds. It's not really about his "star presence". Barbie is actually a perfect example of that. Gosling, like many famous actors is more of an added value attraction to a film than a pure draw. After La La Land ( another good example) Gosling carried two back to back studio films that were considered major box office flops/disappointments ( Blade Runner 2049 and First Man). Those kind of back to back flops could have killed many leading man careers, but Gosling was lucky that both films got critical acclaim and he'd banked up enough good will in the industry. But doing things like The Gray Man afterwards were neccesary to get the stink of commercial failure off him. He was getting a reputation as box office poison. But that is why he can't move like he's DiCaprio and hold out for only the most regarded A-list auteur to make him an offer for only the most prestigious projects. He has a realistic perspective of his place in the industry. He's had too many flops to take his place for granted. A lot of A-list directors may like him, but he may still be 5th or 6th choice on many studio casting lists because his track record suggests he's not a safe bet to carry films at a certain budget level as the main attraction. Even something like Barbie (despite the presence of Greta Gerwig) would probably have been scoffed at at one of his sillier commercial choices before it actually came out, but it just happens to have been a hail mary that was a huge hit and worked in his favor critically and commercially. Yes, but Gosling isn't a draw or consistent draw because of what I'm saying. His baffling project selection. He'll do an Only God Forgives and a Crazy Stupid Love in close proximity. It's complete whiplash to a degree I've never seen. |
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Post by paulgallo on Dec 14, 2023 11:09:52 GMT
His and Emma Stone's career choices are so weirdly reversed since and before La La Land. Before that film she did mostly mainstream fare like comedies and was part of a superhero franchise. Since 2016 she's going for more sophisticated projects and became a frequent collaborator of a European auteur known for weird films. Gosling went from avoiding franchises in favor of more sophisticated stuff and being the frequent collaborator of a European auteur known for making weird films to starring in popcorn garbage by Marvel directors, publicly stating his interest in playing an MCU character, making a big IP movie, and, judging by the trailer, being in another awful looking popcorn movie.
That Ocean's movie fits his new career path perfectly.
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Post by Nikan on Dec 14, 2023 11:21:06 GMT
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Post by SZilla on Dec 15, 2023 19:31:03 GMT
Yes, I was excited for both The Wolfman and The Actor, but he walked away from both of those. His three upcoming projects according to IMDb all feel a bit similar at the moment.
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Post by franklin on Dec 15, 2023 22:06:51 GMT
The Fall Guy and the new Ocean movie look promising.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 15, 2023 23:49:01 GMT
I find his acting more frustrating than his project selection  but I'm baffled by the tone of this thread. No matter what anyone thinks of Barbie, it was objectively one of the biggest and most viral movies of 2023 and Gosling has been universally praised for it. I don't know, I just see someone like Gyllenhaal acting almost exclusively in genre movies for almost 10 years and then Gosling who had one Netflix dud sandwiched between his prestige-y Villenueve and Chazelle collabs and Barbie... up next he has Fall Guy with David Leitch who's no slouch in the action genre. It could be a lot worse, no? tbh, what I'd like to see is him tackling a good TV project (he hasn't done any) and go back to his Half Nelson/ Blue Valentine roots for an under-the-radar indie project, but he's doing fine. |
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 16, 2023 4:59:20 GMT
I find his acting more frustrating than his project selection but I'm baffled by the tone of this thread. No matter what anyone thinks of Barbie, it was objectively one of the biggest and most viral movies of 2023 and Gosling has been universally praised for it. I don't know, I just see someone like Gyllenhaal acting almost exclusively in genre movies for almost 10 years and then Gosling who had one Netflix dud sandwiched between his prestige-y Villenueve and Chazelle collabs and Barbie... up next he has Fall Guy with David Leitch who's no slouch in the action genre. It could be a lot worse, no? tbh, what I'd like to see is him tackling a good TV project (he hasn't done any) and go back to his Half Nelson/ Blue Valentine roots for an under-the-radar indie project, but he's doing fine. I think the issue is I think about people's careers like "What I would do is..." If I can't understand your choices, I find it hard to root for you. You end up seeming irrational, and like you don't really care. And if you don't care, I don't care. Gosling is one of my favorite actors of all time, but I bring my hammer of criticism on anybody. Has he identified the greatest artists (in his opinion) working in the medium and sought to work with them? I have to look askance at any actor in a privileged position who has little interest in doing so. Part of my reverence for DiCaprio is because I understand what he's trying to do 90% of the time, even when the end result is lousy. Gosling has had great directors like Nolan and James Cameron and god knows who else praising his work while he's filling up his schedule with the guy who just did Bullet Train, Jay Roach, etc. I don't understand that, and Gosling being an acting genius doesn't paper that gap for me. |
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