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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 10, 2023 16:38:46 GMT
The MCU is going to reach a new low.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 10, 2023 16:51:36 GMT
The MCU is going to reach a new low. The complacency and lack of quality control from Marvel & Kevin Fiege has been shocking post- Endgame. Feels like the end of an era. Also Disney's greed. Too many mediocre Disney + Marvel shows diluted the brand. It was an incredible run from Marvel fron Iron Man to Avengers: Endgame. We'll probably never see such a cohesive and expansive franchise done so well again. But nothing lasts forever. |
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 10, 2023 17:42:13 GMT
The MCU is going to reach a new low. The complacency and lack of quality control from Marvel & Kevin Fiege has been shocking post- Endgame. Feels like the end of an era. Also Disney's greed. Too many mediocre Disney + Marvel shows diluted the brand. It was an incredible run from Marvel fron Iron Man to Avengers: Endgame. We'll probably never see such a cohesive and expansive franchise done so well again. But nothing lasts forever. I just think after the gigantic success of Endgame, they (Marvel/Kevin Feige) exhaled and lost a little bit of the motivation and focus to keep the train running at a high quality/commercial level. They spent so much time and focus to get the Avengers/Infinity War story right and across the finish line, that it felt like a victory lap and the culmination of 10+ years of work, even acknowledging that some of the films during that span were mid (Thor, Iron Man 2, etc.). Seems like losing some of that motivation for quality control plus Disneys ambition in wanting to produce more content with their streaming service has really done the MCU brand a disservice and you’re seeing the results now. Wonder how long before they try to coax RDJ, Chris Evans, and Scarlett Johansson to return. |
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Post by stephen on Nov 10, 2023 17:49:13 GMT
I really hate that this film's dismal B.O. is going to validate the misogynists out there, but yeah, the MCU should've gone out on a high note with Endgame. They overly saturated the market and when you introduce time travel and multiverses, it kills any stakes you might have And now they're talking about bringing back Downey, Jr. and Johansson, thereby robbing Endgame of the measliest morsel of pathos and weight it still had.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 10, 2023 21:32:51 GMT
The complacency and lack of quality control from Marvel & Kevin Fiege has been shocking post- Endgame. Feels like the end of an era. Also Disney's greed. Too many mediocre Disney + Marvel shows diluted the brand. It was an incredible run from Marvel fron Iron Man to Avengers: Endgame. We'll probably never see such a cohesive and expansive franchise done so well again. But nothing lasts forever. I just think after the gigantic success of Endgame, they (Marvel/Kevin Feige) exhaled and lost a little bit of the motivation and focus to keep the train running at a high quality/commercial level. They spent so much time and focus to get the Avengers/Infinity War story right and across the finish line, that it felt like a victory lap and the culmination of 10+ years of work, even acknowledging that some of the films during that span were mid (Thor, Iron Man 2, etc.). Seems like losing some of that motivation for quality control plus Disneys ambition in wanting to produce more content with their streaming service has really done the MCU brand a disservice and you’re seeing the results now. Wonder how long before they try to coax RDJ, Chris Evans, and Scarlett Johansson to return. The problem with Marvel and comic book movies in general, is that they learned once you reached the top, there's no place to go but down. |
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 11, 2023 0:41:56 GMT
Every dynasty comes to an end eventually. They had an all-time great run and were admired and envied by a lot in the industry, even if some of those who were envious didn’t want to admit it.
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Post by Pavan on Nov 11, 2023 6:54:00 GMT
The Disney+ shows are also the reason for Marvel's downfall. Like one wanted to watch The Marvels they need to watch not only the first Captain Marvel but also Ms. Marvel and Wandavision tv shows. Its like homework at this point. The general populace won't spend that much time on the Marvel continuity and even fans are gonna be exhausted at some point. Looks like it is not very far.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 11, 2023 17:28:02 GMT
Not great Bob.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 11, 2023 20:50:40 GMT
Feel bad for Nia DaCosta. Hope she can rebound from this. |
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Post by Joaquim on Nov 11, 2023 23:25:01 GMT
Good riddance to the MCU
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Nov 12, 2023 0:54:47 GMT
The Disney+ shows are also the reason for Marvel's downfall. Like one wanted to watch The Marvels they need to watch not only the first Captain Marvel but also Ms. Marvel and Wandavision tv shows. Its like homework at this point. The general populace won't spend that much time on the Marvel continuity and even fans are gonna be exhausted at some point. Looks like it is not very far. No one needed to watch any of the shows to watch and understand this movie |
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Post by Pasquale on Nov 12, 2023 13:35:35 GMT
The Disney+ shows are also the reason for Marvel's downfall. Like one wanted to watch The Marvels they need to watch not only the first Captain Marvel but also Ms. Marvel and Wandavision tv shows. Its like homework at this point. The general populace won't spend that much time on the Marvel continuity and even fans are gonna be exhausted at some point. Looks like it is not very far. No one needed to watch any of the shows to watch and understand this movie Don't deny that Feige is counting on the audience to have watched Ms. Marvel, before watching The Marvels. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Nov 12, 2023 13:41:10 GMT
No one needed to watch any of the shows to watch and understand this movie Don't deny that Feige is counting on the audience to have watched Ms. Marvel, before watching The Marvels. Not general audiences. Now I do think it was a marking mistake not to name the sequel to Captain Marvel…Captain Marvel 2. But I don’t think the success or failure of the movie was ever dependent on audiences having seen Ms. Marvel, a D+ series aimed towards young teens. |
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Post by Pasquale on Nov 12, 2023 13:55:19 GMT
Don't deny that Feige is counting on the audience to have watched Ms. Marvel, before watching The Marvels. Not general audiences. Now I do think it was a marking mistake not to name the sequel to Captain Marvel…Captain Marvel 2. But I don’t think the success or failure of the movie was ever dependent on audiences having seen Ms. Marvel, a D+ series aimed towards young teens. Not entirely dependent, but a bit, in my opinion, it was. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 12, 2023 15:45:48 GMT
Feel bad for Nia DaCosta. Hope she can rebound from this. She'll probably be fine, but still any directors gotta feel tepid now when it comes to imaging that Marvel will be a great boost to their careers. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Nov 12, 2023 15:55:14 GMT
Feel bad for Nia DaCosta. Hope she can rebound from this. She'll probably be fine, but still any directors gotta feel tepid now when it comes to imaging that Marvel will be a great boost to their careers. I feel X-Men and FF will be the litmus test for is the MCU can  back or will continue to fizzle |
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 12, 2023 16:00:06 GMT
Feel bad for Nia DaCosta. Hope she can rebound from this. She'll probably be fine, but still any directors gotta feel tepid now when it comes to imaging that Marvel will be a great boost to their careers. I think DaCosta (or her reps) were actually quite clever in how they were distancing her from the film in the lead-up to it's release. I don't think her giving those interviews saying The Marvels is really a Kevin Fiege Production, and insinuating she's basically just there as a hired hand with limited control over the end product were by accident. They may have sensed a bomb was coming and DaCosta covered herself before the fact. Or the recent reveal that she went straight into directing her next film and had a limited presence in post-production. DaCosta very much said to the world long before the film came out, that it isn't really her film. That may go a long way to insulating her from the floppage. I think most of the fallout will be taken by Fiege. His overall continued stewardship of Marvel will be called into question. A serious course correction is needed. Maybe a lot of planned projects need to be cancelled and there needs to be a priority of quality over quantity. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 12, 2023 16:12:11 GMT
That is a bad multiplier. Jeez!
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 12, 2023 16:20:49 GMT
She'll probably be fine, but still any directors gotta feel tepid now when it comes to imaging that Marvel will be a great boost to their careers. I think DaCosta (or her reps) were actually quite clever in how they were distancing her from the film in the lead-up to it's release. I don't think her giving those interviews saying The Marvels is really a Kevin Fiege Production, and insinuating she's basically just there as a hired hand with limited control over the end product were by accident. They may have sensed a bomb was coming and DaCosta covered herself before the fact. Or the recent reveal that she went straight into directing her next film and had a limited presence in post-production. DaCosta very much said to the world long before the film came out, that it isn't really her film. That may go a long way to insulating her from the floppage. I think most of the fallout will be taken by Fiege. His overall continued stewardship of Marvel will be called into question. A serious course correction is needed. Maybe a lot of planned projects need to be cancelled and there needs to be a priority of quality over quantity. Given how Marvel movies are generally handled with exceptions, it's not that hard to say, "oh I wasn't involved behind the scenes", or something like that. Quantity over quality is definitely an issue. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 12, 2023 16:37:41 GMT
I think DaCosta (or her reps) were actually quite clever in how they were distancing her from the film in the lead-up to it's release. I don't think her giving those interviews saying The Marvels is really a Kevin Fiege Production, and insinuating she's basically just there as a hired hand with limited control over the end product were by accident. They may have sensed a bomb was coming and DaCosta covered herself before the fact. Or the recent reveal that she went straight into directing her next film and had a limited presence in post-production. DaCosta very much said to the world long before the film came out, that it isn't really her film. That may go a long way to insulating her from the floppage. I think most of the fallout will be taken by Fiege. His overall continued stewardship of Marvel will be called into question. A serious course correction is needed. Maybe a lot of planned projects need to be cancelled and there needs to be a priority of quality over quantity. Given how Marvel movies are generally handled with exceptions, it's not that hard to say, "oh I wasn't involved behind the scenes", or something like that. Quantity over quality is definitely an issue. Yeah, I think they really need to have a serious rethink about the future of the Marvel brand.Too much "product". None of these movies/Disney + shows feel like they have any stakes post- Endgame. The trailers for The Marvels , just made it look like a cute sitcom. It in fact, looked like something you can wait to watch on Disney +. I think the brand can still be saved. But it'll need some serious pruning. The movies need to be events again. Putting out low stakes comedies like Thor: Love And Thunder and The Marvels is giving diminishing returns. Not every third string character needs a show or a movie ( who was asking for a series about Echo?). Concentrate on your heavy hitters. Do X-Men and Fantastic Four right . Have the stakes be big. And listen to the fans...recast T'Challa for the next Black Panther film. Without the lead character, that franchise is dead as well. It's crazy to me that Marvel had a solo female superhero crack the billion dollar mark and a solo black superhero crack the billion dollar mark at the box office, and neither sequel will come close to a billion. What sort of all-time fumbling is going on at Marvel  . |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 12, 2023 19:49:12 GMT
Given how Marvel movies are generally handled with exceptions, it's not that hard to say, "oh I wasn't involved behind the scenes", or something like that. Quantity over quality is definitely an issue. Yeah, I think they really need to have a serious rethink about the future of the Marvel brand.Too much "product". None of these movies/Disney + shows feel like they have any stakes post- Endgame. The trailers for The Marvels , just made it look like a cute sitcom. It in fact, looked like something you can wait to watch on Disney +. I think the brand can still be saved. But it'll need some serious pruning. The movies need to be events again. Putting out low stakes comedies like Thor: Love And Thunder and The Marvels is giving diminishing returns. Not every third string character needs a show or a movie ( who was asking for a series about Echo?). Concentrate on your heavy hitters. Do X-Men and Fantastic Four right . Have the stakes be big. And listen to the fans...recast T'Challa for the next Black Panther film. Without the lead character, that franchise is dead as well. It's crazy to me that Marvel had a solo female superhero crack the billion dollar mark and a solo black superhero crack the billion dollar mark at the box office, and neither sequel will come close to a billion. What sort of all-time fumbling is going on at Marvel . At this point, they just need to concentrate on their big brands. It's clear they can't just make a movie successfully out of any brand anymore. |
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Post by Brother Fease on Nov 13, 2023 1:06:25 GMT
That's pretty bad for a big budget comic book movie. I saw the film on Saturday. My score is a 7.5/10. It is lower tier Marvel, but I enjoyed on the candy level surface. It's no where near as good as Black Panther, Black Panther 2, first two Spiderman movies or the Tom Holland Spidermans. But it is light, breezy, and enjoyable. Just don't use logic.
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Post by Brother Fease on Nov 13, 2023 1:12:46 GMT
I really hate that this film's dismal B.O. is going to validate the misogynists out there, but yeah, the MCU should've gone out on a high note with Endgame. They overly saturated the market and when you introduce time travel and multiverses, it kills any stakes you might have And now they're talking about bringing back Downey, Jr. and Johansson, thereby robbing Endgame of the measliest morsel of pathos and weight it still had. You mean the crowd that prides itself on being "anti-woke" and finds it unrealistic that women can beat up men? My belief is that we're starting to see Law of Diminishing Returns with Marvel. People are less excited about Marvel films, particularly if it involves less prominent superheroes.
Bringing back Downey Jr and Johansson? That feels like a panic button move. Is Marvel going to turn into Fast and Furious now? Nobody actually dies. |
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Post by stabcaesar on Nov 13, 2023 5:43:47 GMT
Marvel never should have existed in the first place. Not one of these movies is remotely watchable.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 13, 2023 17:05:15 GMT
I really hate that this film's dismal B.O. is going to validate the misogynists out there, but yeah, the MCU should've gone out on a high note with Endgame. They overly saturated the market and when you introduce time travel and multiverses, it kills any stakes you might have And now they're talking about bringing back Downey, Jr. and Johansson, thereby robbing Endgame of the measliest morsel of pathos and weight it still had. You mean the crowd that prides itself on being "anti-woke" and finds it unrealistic that women can beat up men? My belief is that we're starting to see Law of Diminishing Returns with Marvel. People are less excited about Marvel films, particularly if it involves less prominent superheroes.
Bringing back Downey Jr and Johansson? That feels like a panic button move. Is Marvel going to turn into Fast and Furious now? Nobody actually dies. Stephen is referring to the MRA types, who are happy that this movie is flopping because it stars three strong female characters, and Brie Larson made them mad for some reason. That is not the reason it's flopping, though. |
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