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Post by getclutch on Nov 10, 2023 21:46:16 GMT
I dunno man - to think that this generation's "best of" or "top actor" is coming down to Butler/Chalamet/Keoghan/Mescal/Majors (GTFO on Majors)Is Jack O'Connell also in that category? I been of fan of his work for years & he just fell off the map.
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 10, 2023 22:53:56 GMT
I'm sorry to break it you Pup, but a lot of people are attracted to Keoghan.
Buscemi also still doesn't have an Oscar nom, and was never set up as the overarching villain of a popular franchise. The comparison just doesn't work. Feels like another case of you going to an extreme just to prop up one of your golden boys.
Goggins is right, Dafoe is a great shout.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 10, 2023 23:15:32 GMT
I dunno man - to think that this generation's "best of" or "top actor" is coming down to Butler/Chalamet/Keoghan/Mescal/Majors (GTFO on Majors)Is Jack O'Connell also in that category? I been of fan of his work for years & he just fell off the map. That's a good name because he was a man of the moment and then kind of disappeared in small time projects - he's in Ferrari and the Amy Winehouse biopic so his profile may come back around........Goerge MacKay is another one aound that same early 30s age that some people like ........O'Connell may have been better on paper for the role in The Beast (2023) opposite Lea Seydoux .......although I guess MacKay was cast against type maybe
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Post by stephen on Nov 10, 2023 23:26:24 GMT
I dunno man - to think that this generation's "best of" or "top actor" is coming down to Butler/Chalamet/Keoghan/Mescal/Majors (GTFO on Majors)Is Jack O'Connell also in that category? I been of fan of his work for years & he just fell off the map. The Jacks (O'Connell, Reynor, Lowden) feel like they're fighting to make themselves more distinct. Lowden's currently in the pole position for me due to Slow Horses and Benediction, though, even if I am jealous for him being Mr. Saoirse Ronan.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 11, 2023 0:06:08 GMT
I'm sorry to break it you Pup, but a lot of people are attracted to Keoghan. Buscemi also still doesn't have an Oscar nom, and was never set up as the overarching villain of a popular franchise. The comparison just doesn't work. Feels like another case of you going to an extreme just to prop up one of your golden boys. Goggins is right, Dafoe is a great shout. Where is this evidence of Keoghan being some majorly lusted after guy among movie goers? Shit, everyone has someone out there who thinks they are attractive. Keoghan is a guy with two arms, legs and a face who acts in movies. Undoubtedly there are some people out there who find him attractive. That's a given. But it's fucking relative. I've seen absolutely nothing that suggests he's some sort of lusted after figure relative to some of his peers, who have the whole looks/sex appeal thing in their arsenal. That shit is easy to spot. It's childish to pretend these things aren't there or don't factor. I even said the same thing about Lucas Hedges (who is by no means ugly, but a very average looking dude by Hollywood standards) and why he would struggle to compete, when people initially acted as if he would be the biggest competition for Mr Teen Beat pretty boy Timothee Chalamet, who instantly had an army of hormomal girls lusting after him when he came on the scene. And where is Hedges now? He's not even part of the conversation on this thread talking about actors of their generation. And he's got an Oscar nomination as well. The Industry is brutal. It's doing no one any favors to not try and accurately assess their strengths and drawbacks. Keoghan just a guy that's a very good actor and getting by on talent and likability. Not everybody who acts gets to be a sex symbol. Neither was John Cazale, but he has a legacy. But yeah, I'm not trying to offend anyone who thinks Keoghan is some sort of studmuffin or whatever. And I'm not saying what I'm saying to prop anyone up over him. I'm just trying to keep it real and observational.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Nov 11, 2023 1:21:43 GMT
I'm not arguing that Keoghan isn't an unconventional-looking character actor (he is), but I don't think Steve Buscemi would ever have been involved in a Vogue photoshoot like this:
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Post by stephen on Nov 11, 2023 1:25:15 GMT
I'm not arguing that Keoghan isn't an unconventional-looking character actor (he is), but I don't think Steve Buscemi would ever have been involved in a Vogue photoshoot like this:It's time to make that happen.
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Post by countjohn on Nov 11, 2023 1:54:33 GMT
I'm not arguing that Keoghan isn't an unconventional-looking character actor (he is), but I don't think Steve Buscemi would ever have been involved in a Vogue photoshoot like this: That's just because Vogue doesn't what to make everyone orgasm all at once.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Nov 11, 2023 7:08:51 GMT
This discussion of Keoghan’s looks reminded me of that one picture of him somebody posted a while ago saying that he looks like a Japanese auntie cosplaying as Tye Sheridan. And then that made me think of Tye Sheridan and how I wish he were a bigger name so that he could be in this conversation too...
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 11, 2023 8:52:42 GMT
It's always amusing to me in that you can argue Dafoe as the "best" US actor of the 89s, PSH of the 00s (pst 70s?), Phoenix of the 10s (post 70s?)........I mean I dunno ...........being unconventional looking is almost a prerequisite for being really good now and with that I give you Paul Giamatti and Michael Shannon........um........ tbh Austin Butler could actually use to have his goofy face busted and after the overrated shit I read about him on MAR - so far at least - about his Elvis and his "work ethic" and how HIS looks make him the next DiCaprio (can you imagine MAR ever having a "do you think DiCaprio is Hot thread"? ) and what a talented stage actor he is (at least Mescal has an Olivier ffs).......... I personally would like to volunteer to be the one to smash in his face
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 11, 2023 10:36:00 GMT
Sex Appeal. It's genuinely a thing. And it's either obviously there or it isn't. As of yet, it isn't something in Keoghan's arsenal.
Young Willem Dafoe was making erotic thrillers as the male lead opposite Madonna (Body Of Evidence). You don't get cast in roles like that if you aren't considered "sexy". Young Dafoe was seen as a stud by many. You don't cast unattractive character actors in these roles.
Young Joaquin Phoenix was actually conventionally handsome (even though he looked like he came from a completely different gene pool to River), so I have to walk that back a bit. It's easy to forget, as he's let himself go a bit over the years and done so many character parts that don't call for him to be handsome. So it's easy to forget he was a looker. Kinda a "pretty boy" himself. But pictures like the one below, show why he got leading man status in the first place. He's comparable looks-wise to a young Brando or Dean in that pic.
Philip Seymour Hoffman had that always present alpha male confidence I talked about with Gene Hackman, that I think John C Reilly lacked. I saw that first in The Talented Mr Ripley...Hoffman was acting opposite pretty boys in their prime like Matt Damon and Jude Law, but he was still acting as if he was the most attractive guy in the room, and you almost bought into it. He did the same thing in The Master. And to be fair, PSH is actually almost a conventionally good looking guy facially. It's his body shape and the fact that he was overweight that made him "unconventional". But again, confidence and charisma made him more attractive than your normal character actor. It's a thin line, but I just haven't seen that yet from Keoghan
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 5, 2023 10:25:48 GMT
Update on the Barry Keoghan sex appeal factor .....which is at least as interesting to you I'm sure as Tennis is to me Barry Keoghan went sleeveless at the Academy Museum Gala last night which is considered a risk for some but I think we’ve learned by now that fashion risks are what we’ve come to expect from Barry so this isn’t all that surprising but it is very sexy and that’s all I’m going to say about that because, as I recently mentioned, the way I feel about Barry is the way some of you feel about Paul Mescal and if I talk about it too much it will get wayyyy out of control and as it is, it’s barely under control. www.laineygossip.com/barry-keoghan-sleeveless-sexy-at-academy-museum-gala-last-night/77259
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 5, 2023 13:18:47 GMT
And he may be dating Sabrina Carpenter.
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 5, 2023 16:48:28 GMT
And he may be dating Sabrina Carpenter. Nice
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 5, 2023 16:52:35 GMT
And he may be dating Sabrina Carpenter. Yes. And this is the social media picture the gossip blog/rag Pop Crave used of Keoghan to represent this sexy new couple!
The comments aren't kind, because that pic of him is so goofy and unsexy, but that's how he's currently percieved by enough people, and that's why those shady mofos at Pop Crave felt brave enough to do him dirty like that. To add, I think it was fucking unfair and cruel that they did that to Barry. This is Hollywood. You think Keoghan's "people" (agents, managers, publicists etc) don't know he has a sex appeal problem? That's why we are suddenly seeing him appearing at events with his arms/guns out, with 700 dollar haircuts and now apparently dating some hot starlet and getting "oh by the way he's soooo sexy" write-up on certain gossip blogs (which of course can't be bought and paid for by publicists). I can't believe people are this naive to how the industry works.It's called a rebrand. Keoghan needs it to stay potentially competitive with the likes of Butler, Chalamet, Mescal ( and now even Charles Melton, who looks headed for an Oscar nom). So the likes of Pop Crave won't feel brave enough to do that to him in the future. And you know what, I hope the rebrand works for Keoghan and keeps him competitive as a leading man. He's a wonderful actor, and it won't be the first time that an actor that initially had that perception leveled up and sex appeal became genuinely part of their arsenal. But right now, it's not organic
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Post by countjohn on Dec 5, 2023 20:14:28 GMT
If I was dating a hot girl like that I wouldn't care what pic of me they put next to her.
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 5, 2023 21:44:36 GMT
They really did not have to disrespect my boy like that
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 7, 2023 1:08:12 GMT
Keoghan needs a signature role besides the nutjob in Sacred Deer. He feels ancillary too much of the time, and when he isn't (like in Saltburn) his good acting and absolute committment is hamstrung by an abysmal script.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Feb 14, 2024 22:37:16 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 14, 2024 22:41:32 GMT
Bless Barry and his team . They really are trying to go full throttle on the "sex symbol" rebrand. Here's hoping it works and widen his options as an actor.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Feb 21, 2024 0:08:35 GMT
Butler getting first seat here over Jodie Foster and Olivia Colman is... something.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 21, 2024 18:21:12 GMT
Remember when I posted that .gif of NOT THE Fnckin GOAT Nic Kidman taking the high hard one in a less sexy Remy Lacroix style way............and the mods immediately then deleted it for no reason whatsoever? Well I still stand by that post........but this one is harder to defend and it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less hot......ymmv
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 22, 2024 1:33:15 GMT
Remember when I posted that .gif of NOT THE Fnckin GOAT Nic Kidman taking the high hard one in a less sexy Remy Lacroix style way............and the mods immediately then deleted it for no reason whatsoever? Well I still stand by that post........but this one is harder to defend and it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less hot......ymmv This board is so jaded that these photos get no reaction ...........
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Post by futuretrunks on Feb 22, 2024 1:58:23 GMT
Barry really just needs to go play a normative human compellingly. He's so up for anything that he's being pigeonholed as a natural in portraying freaks and nutjobs. He needs a Mike Ross on Suits gig, or Cruise in The Firm.
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