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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 9, 2023 21:33:11 GMT
What the hell........I'm not going anywhere near that "Bradley Cooper was talking to DDL so they may make a movie with PTA and Denzel" nonsense.........  Denzel's 2 movies for Netflix are cop movies..........that was a joke..........JFC ......... Not doing a poll - just asking which of the Oscar dudes you like more - about the same age........one with the looks (apparently, I don't know) and one with the alternative edge to him........both with their fans though I don't think Keoghan has detractors on here (at all?) Co-stars in the new Band of Brothers thingy too:  |
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Post by stephen on Nov 9, 2023 21:58:33 GMT
It’s a bit unfair to compare them at this point because Butler has really only one big performance that we can draw comparisons, whereas Keoghan has carved out a hell of a run since his breakthrough in Killing of a Sacred Deer. His auteur cred—Lanthimos, Nolan, McDonagh, Reeves, Fennell, Lowery, Zhao, Layton, Andrea Arnold—is extremely strong and he’s been distinctly good in all of them (barring the Arnold, which is yet to come out), showing impressive range and versatility despite his unconventional appearance. He’s done well in television (Love/Hate was his true breakthrough, he’s excellent in his Chernobyl appearance, and he made a hell of an impression in Top Boy).
Keoghan is my pick for the top actor of his generation if we look at what he’s actually done thus far, and it’s only getting more and more fascinating. I wish he hadn't needed to drop out of Gladiator II, because I think he and Scott would get on like a house on fire and we'd get to see him sparring against Mescal (another generational talent in the making) and Washington. He was my pick to play Feyd-Rautha before Butler got a hold of the role, so it’ll be interesting to watch what Butler can do with that character.
But yeah, I think Keoghan has the advantage in terms of the quality and consistency of his filmography, but Butler could conceivably make up for lost time.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 9, 2023 21:59:22 GMT
Tsk, tsk....still referencing me and my recent conversations on the board, albeit indirectly. You do this all the time. It doesn't go unnoticed |
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 9, 2023 22:04:48 GMT
It’s a bit unfair to compare them at this point because Butler has really only one big performance that we can draw comparisons, whereas Keoghan has carved out a hell of a run since his breakthrough in Killing of a Sacred Deer. His auteur cred—Lanthimos, Nolan, McDonagh, Reeves, Fennell, Lowery, Zhao, Layton, Andrea Arnold—is extremely strong and he’s been distinctly good in all of them (barring the Arnold, which is yet to come out), showing impressive range and versatility despite his unconventional appearance. He’s done well in television ( Love/Hate was his true breakthrough, he’s excellent his [I[]Chernobyl[/o] appearance, and he made a hell of an impression in Top Boy). Keoghan is my pick for the top actor of his generation if we look at what he’s actually done thus far, and it’s only getting more and more fascinating. I wish he hadn't needed to drop out of Gladiator II, because I think he and Scott would get on like a house on fire and we'd get to see him sparring against Mescal (another generational talent in the making) and Washington. He was my pick to play Feyd-Rautha before Butler got a hold of the role, so it’ll be interesting to watch what Butler can do with that character. But yeah, I think Keoghan has the advantage in terms of the quality and consistency of his filmography, but Butler could conceivably make up for lost time. It's a bad comparison for now because one is clearly a character actor (Keoghan) and the other is in the frame to be a huge conventional movie star ( Butler).When was the last time you saw anyone compare Steve Buscemi to Brad Pitt? .It's fucking dumb. And Keoghan and Butler right now is a similar comparison. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 9, 2023 22:06:08 GMT
" It doesn't go unnoticed" Oh I'm sure it doesn't because you love me and shit  |
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 9, 2023 22:07:40 GMT
Keoghan is my pick for the top actor of his generation if we look at what he’s actually done thus far, and it’s only getting more and more fascinating. That's high praise over Kaluuya and I know you love Plemons also |
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Post by stephen on Nov 9, 2023 22:11:12 GMT
Keoghan is my pick for the top actor of his generation if we look at what he’s actually done thus far, and it’s only getting more and more fascinating. That's high praise over Kaluuya and I know you love Plemons also Plemons would be a very close second and Kaluuya would probably be third at this point, if we're talking body of work at this stage. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 9, 2023 22:19:48 GMT
" It doesn't go unnoticed" Oh I'm sure it doesn't because you love me and shit Not really. It'd just be nice if you ummm... stopped doing it. Exercise some willpower, bruh! It's just weird and creepy to always see you referencing some conversation I've been having somewhere else a few hours later on another thread Thanks  |
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 9, 2023 22:56:22 GMT
Anyway now that the idiot is gone - don't a lot of guys and girls like Keoghan? I know he's not a traditional leading man but he ain't Buscemi and Butler ain't fncking Brad Pitt? GTFO
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Post by Joaquim on Nov 10, 2023 2:17:12 GMT
Keoghan is shaping up to be the best actor of his generation. Butler doesn’t even come close but I don’t even mean that as much of a dig at Butler. I just think Keoghan is so far ahead of his peers in his age group who, aside from Mescal really, I find to all be terribly unimpressive tbh
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Post by futuretrunks on Nov 10, 2023 3:28:21 GMT
Keoghan is gifted at playing weirdos, but that seems to be all he does of note. Butler's film career is fledgling status, but whatever he was doing in The Shannara Chronicles on MTV had me absolutely sold on his potential. Keoghan also just looks too odd.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 10, 2023 7:01:00 GMT
Keoghan is shaping up to be the best actor of his generation. Butler doesn’t even come close but I don’t even mean that as much of a dig at Butler. I just think Keoghan is so far ahead of his peers in his age group who, aside from Mescal really, I find to all be terribly unimpressive tbh I think it's far too early in their careers to say if any if them will definitively end up "the best actor of their generation". I remember a lot of people claiming that about Sean Penn early in his career from the 80's onwards, only for him to fall off and end up thoroughly lapped and overtaken by Denzel, DDL, who went on to become prominent names in GOAT conversations, not just "best of generation" discussions Same for Edward Norton in his generation. He started out really strong and was declared by many "the best film actor his generation" after only a few big performances into his film career. Yet his productivity and output slowed down, while others like DiCaprio, Bale and Phoenix (and to my mind Damon) kept reaching new heights. Heath Ledger probably also overtakes Norton had he lived and I think Philip Seymour Hoffman managed to overtake Norton before he died because he had a complete body of work And while he's still got respect, it's no longer very commonplace to act as if Norton is the best film actor of that generation any longer, especially considering what his peer group went on to achieve. It's probably going to be 20 years or more before we definitively find out who the best film actor in that Butler/Chalamet/Keoghan/Mescal generation really is. It may even be someone not quite on the radar yet, or still trying to break into that group. Who is to say someone like Jacob Elordi doesn't evolve and start giving "Heath Ledger at his best performances", except he stays alive. All of a sudden, people start saying he's the best actor of his generation. Again, right now Jonathan Majors looks to me, to be by far the most gifted screen actor of that late 20's/early 30's generation (moreso than even Keoghan), but we still need to find out if his career will ever recover once his legal situation is decided. If the judgement doesn't go his way, he might not be employable enough to stay in that conversation. I'm not yet making any claims for Butler to be the "best actor of his generation". It's too early for that talk, though he's got promise, like a bunch of others. I am saying that he has got every single quality neccesary to become an iconic and era defining A-list leading man and movie star. Keoghan, fine actor he may be, does not poesses those qualities. He is a character actor, not a movie star. Clooney and Pitt are not guys I consider to be the best actors of their generation, but they were era defining movie stars. That's what Butler (and likely Chalamet also) looks poised to become. Keoghan is not in that conversation. That's a much different thing to this whole best actor of their generation conversation, which again, may take decades to have a more definitive answer. |
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Post by futuretrunks on Nov 10, 2023 7:48:39 GMT
Majors was astonishing, but I think he's finished. Allowed too many skeletons to accrue.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 10, 2023 8:00:23 GMT
Majors was astonishing, but I think he's finished. Allowed too many skeletons to accrue. I think if he beats his case, he'll survive. But his case is so weird, I've given up predicting what the next twist or turn may be. He is astonishing though. I couldn't believe the Shakespearean depth of character, nuance and pain he managed to imbue in a comic book villain in a friggin Ant-Man film this year. Ant-Man!?!  . No one is supposed to be that good in an Ant-Man movie. Killed it in Creed 3 as well. He's a generational talent for sure. I think he's far ahead of anyone in his age group based on what I've seen to date. I keep forgetting Daniel Kaluuya as well. He's up there in that conversation with their age group. But Majors gifts feel a level above Kaluuya as well. |
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Post by stephen on Nov 10, 2023 13:32:14 GMT
Keoghan is shaping up to be the best actor of his generation. Butler doesn’t even come close but I don’t even mean that as much of a dig at Butler. I just think Keoghan is so far ahead of his peers in his age group who, aside from Mescal really, I find to all be terribly unimpressive tbh I think it's far too early in their careers to say if any if them will definitively end up "the best actor of their generation". I remember a lot of people claiming that about Sean Penn early in his career from the 80's onwards, only for him to fall off and end up thoroughly lapped and overtaken by Denzel, DDL, who went on to become prominent names in GOAT conversations, not just "best of generation" discussions Same for Edward Norton in his generation. He started out really strong and was declared by many "the best film actor his generation" after only a few big performances into his film career. Yet his productivity and output slowed down, while others like DiCaprio, Bale and Phoenix (and to my mind Damon) kept reaching new heights. Heath Ledger probably also overtakes Norton had he lived and I think Philip Seymour Hoffman managed to overtake Norton before he died because he had a complete body of work And while he's still got respect, it's no longer very commonplace to act as if Norton is the best film actor of that generation any longer, especially considering what his peer group went on to achieve. It's probably going to be 20 years or more before we definitively find out who the best film actor in that Butler/Chalamet/Keoghan/Mescal generation really is. It may even be someone not quite on the radar yet, or still trying to break into that group. Who is to say someone like Jacob Elordi doesn't evolve and start giving "Heath Ledger at his best performances", except he stays alive. All of a sudden, people start saying he's the best actor of his generation. Again, right now Jonathan Majors looks to me, to be by far the most gifted screen actor of that late 20's/early 30's generation (moreso than even Keoghan), but we still need to find out if his career will ever recover once his legal situation is decided. If the judgement doesn't go his way, he might not be employable enough to stay in that conversation. I'm not yet making any claims for Butler to be the "best actor of his generation". It's too early for that talk, though he's got promise, like a bunch of others. I am saying that he has got every single quality neccesary to become an iconic and era defining A-list leading man and movie star. Keoghan, fine actor he may be, does not poesses those qualities. He is a character actor, not a movie star. Clooney and Pitt are not guys I consider to be the best actors of their generation, but they were era defining movie stars. That's what Butler (and likely Chalamet also) looks poised to become. Keoghan is not in that conversation. That's a much different thing to this whole best actor of their generation conversation, which again, may take decades to have a more definitive answer. To be fair, Penn really kinda outlasted a lot of his contemporaries in the '80s (i.e. Rourke, Kilmer, Eric Roberts) due to them being incredibly prickly and hard to work with, and Penn was a consummate networker more than anything else. Butler seems to be a nice enough guy as you say behind the scenes, which will definitely serve him well, and he does seem to be following Penn's playbook of networking with great talents early. Nothing wrong with that; that's how the game is played. You are right that it is too early to say who is top dog of the generation in regards to a more permanent basis, as anything could happen over the next few years to upend the apple cart. I do think Keoghan's body of work is strong enough so far, even with his unconventional looks (which I don't even think are that much of a roadblock; I think he's closer to a Joaquin Phoenix than a Steve Buscemi, personally, as he is getting leading roles on top of his featured ones), that I'd put him ahead of the pack purely based on what we've seen and his current trajectory, which is meteoric. Is he a traditional movie star? Probably not, but the era of the classic movie star is dying. We live in the era of the IP, where actors are secondary to the property. Butler does have the looks, the charm, the network skills, and from what I've seen he is a good actor. That should serve him well, and we'll see how he fares with Dune: Part Two because he seems like the sort of actor who would love the opportunity to be transformative, rather than rely on his natural looks and swagger. DiCaprio's biggest issue is he tries to be a DDL/De Niro/Oldman-type chameleon and fails at it because he doesn't understand the sort of actor he actually is. Hopefully Butler is more gifted at that. |
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 10, 2023 13:42:32 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 10, 2023 13:44:18 GMT
I dunno man - to think that this generation's "best of" or "top actor" is coming down to Butler/Chalamet/Keoghan/Mescal/Majors (GTFO on Majors) it just seems weird and awful to me at least it does in November 2023....I mean I really like Keoghan but I don't really get how people coalesce around these guys ^ or say - Zendaya for young actresses which I hear from time time - and I'm just like "okay, sure, whatever". Maybe it's me and I can't "look ahead" or something - but maybe someties it's that there is no actor - like some years the BP winner should really be "nothing" - with the exception of Kaluuya and Keoghan it feels wrong - although I'm willing to grant Mescal some slack because he is so reserved I find him really hard to judge on film atm - and I didn't see his Stanley Kowalski but hopefully soon if they release it for National Theare Live. At one time (oh shut up) it would have been really weird to lump British actors with Americans because the Americans were THAT good and that distinct- and that's the DDL (and Bale) influence I guess because they "seemed" American and of course were playing Americans........like I rank DDL far ahead of his 80s peers - partially because I don't think the American 80s actor class is THAT good (Washington is probably the US rival, or to me maybe it's Dafoe possibly (some would say Cage, Hank etcs), but none are comparable to DDL - and each for different reasons as to why not........ Although people did compare Olivier / Brando as the OG argument and they compared those dudes for decades ........ so ..........I do get it......it just always strikes me as odd to see them all lumped in together... |
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Nov 10, 2023 14:04:40 GMT
pacinoyes - Charles Melton is another young American to watch! Super handsome and freshly raved for his supporting turn in Todd Haynes' May December. Of the two choices in your OP, I would certainly pick Keoghan, but as others have mentioned, it's probably not the best comparison to make at this point in Butler's career.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Nov 10, 2023 14:28:56 GMT
Keoghan is shaping up to be the best actor of his generation. Butler doesn’t even come close but I don’t even mean that as much of a dig at Butler. I just think Keoghan is so far ahead of his peers in his age group who, aside from Mescal really, I find to all be terribly unimpressive tbh I think it's far too early in their careers to say if any if them will definitively end up "the best actor of their generation". I remember a lot of people claiming that about Sean Penn early in his career from the 80's onwards, only for him to fall off and end up thoroughly lapped and overtaken by Denzel, DDL, who went on to become prominent names in GOAT conversations, not just "best of generation" discussions Same for Edward Norton in his generation. He started out really strong and was declared by many "the best film actor his generation" after only a few big performances into his film career. Yet his productivity and output slowed down, while others like DiCaprio, Bale and Phoenix (and to my mind Damon) kept reaching new heights. Heath Ledger probably also overtakes Norton had he lived and I think Philip Seymour Hoffman managed to overtake Norton before he died because he had a complete body of work And while he's still got respect, it's no longer very commonplace to act as if Norton is the best film actor of that generation any longer, especially considering what his peer group went on to achieve. It's probably going to be 20 years or more before we definitively find out who the best film actor in that Butler/Chalamet/Keoghan/Mescal generation really is. It may even be someone not quite on the radar yet, or still trying to break into that group. Who is to say someone like Jacob Elordi doesn't evolve and start giving "Heath Ledger at his best performances", except he stays alive. All of a sudden, people start saying he's the best actor of his generation. Again, right now Jonathan Majors looks to me, to be by far the most gifted screen actor of that late 20's/early 30's generation (moreso than even Keoghan), but we still need to find out if his career will ever recover once his legal situation is decided. If the judgement doesn't go his way, he might not be employable enough to stay in that conversation. I'm not yet making any claims for Butler to be the "best actor of his generation". It's too early for that talk, though he's got promise, like a bunch of others. I am saying that he has got every single quality neccesary to become an iconic and era defining A-list leading man and movie star. Keoghan, fine actor he may be, does not poesses those qualities. He is a character actor, not a movie star. Clooney and Pitt are not guys I consider to be the best actors of their generation, but they were era defining movie stars. That's what Butler (and likely Chalamet also) looks poised to become. Keoghan is not in that conversation. That's a much different thing to this whole best actor of their generation conversation, which again, may take decades to have a more definitive answer. My takeaway here is that I’m just hoping to have a generation of multiple great actors for the next 20 years. It doesn’t really matter who’s #1 to me, I’d prefer to just have multiple great ones. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Nov 10, 2023 14:31:01 GMT
Keoghan every day of the week. Also how is he a good comparison to Buscemi?! I’d say Willem Dafoe would have been a better comparison |
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Post by LaraQ on Nov 10, 2023 14:39:24 GMT
Butler has star quality for days.Keoghan despite having the lead role in Saltburn,is a essentially a very talented character actor.
Both will have long careers but Butler will be the Leo of his generation.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 10, 2023 14:42:14 GMT
Keoghan every day of the week. Also how is he a good comparison to Buscemi?! Both very "unconventional" looking. That's putting it kindly. And I don't think either of them are percieved to have much "sex appeal" (which is still possible even if you aren't conventionally handsome or a pretty boy. Someone like Joaquin Phoenix is maybe an example of that). Those a very limiting factors in the long term for an actor people are saying is going to be top dog of his generation. If people don't think that how he looks and a percieved lack of sex appeal likely won't affect Keoghan's opportunities and trajectory in Hollywood compared to some of his more conventionally handsome peers, they don't understand how this industry works. If shit doesn't go perfectly for Keoghan, he could end up a lead on a Law & Order spin-off in 10 years time ( ask Vincent D'onofrio).
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 10, 2023 16:34:35 GMT
I think it's far too early in their careers to say if any if them will definitively end up "the best actor of their generation". I remember a lot of people claiming that about Sean Penn early in his career from the 80's onwards, only for him to fall off and end up thoroughly lapped and overtaken by Denzel, DDL, who went on to become prominent names in GOAT conversations, not just "best of generation" discussions Same for Edward Norton in his generation. He started out really strong and was declared by many "the best film actor his generation" after only a few big performances into his film career. Yet his productivity and output slowed down, while others like DiCaprio, Bale and Phoenix (and to my mind Damon) kept reaching new heights. Heath Ledger probably also overtakes Norton had he lived and I think Philip Seymour Hoffman managed to overtake Norton before he died because he had a complete body of work And while he's still got respect, it's no longer very commonplace to act as if Norton is the best film actor of that generation any longer, especially considering what his peer group went on to achieve. It's probably going to be 20 years or more before we definitively find out who the best film actor in that Butler/Chalamet/Keoghan/Mescal generation really is. It may even be someone not quite on the radar yet, or still trying to break into that group. Who is to say someone like Jacob Elordi doesn't evolve and start giving "Heath Ledger at his best performances", except he stays alive. All of a sudden, people start saying he's the best actor of his generation. Again, right now Jonathan Majors looks to me, to be by far the most gifted screen actor of that late 20's/early 30's generation (moreso than even Keoghan), but we still need to find out if his career will ever recover once his legal situation is decided. If the judgement doesn't go his way, he might not be employable enough to stay in that conversation. I'm not yet making any claims for Butler to be the "best actor of his generation". It's too early for that talk, though he's got promise, like a bunch of others. I am saying that he has got every single quality neccesary to become an iconic and era defining A-list leading man and movie star. Keoghan, fine actor he may be, does not poesses those qualities. He is a character actor, not a movie star. Clooney and Pitt are not guys I consider to be the best actors of their generation, but they were era defining movie stars. That's what Butler (and likely Chalamet also) looks poised to become. Keoghan is not in that conversation. That's a much different thing to this whole best actor of their generation conversation, which again, may take decades to have a more definitive answer. To be fair, Penn really kinda outlasted a lot of his contemporaries in the '80s (i.e. Rourke, Kilmer, Eric Roberts) due to them being incredibly prickly and hard to work with, and Penn was a consummate networker more than anything else. Butler seems to be a nice enough guy as you say behind the scenes, which will definitely serve him well, and he does seem to be following Penn's playbook of networking with great talents early. Nothing wrong with that; that's how the game is played. You are right that it is too early to say who is top dog of the generation in regards to a more permanent basis, as anything could happen over the next few years to upend the apple cart. I do think Keoghan's body of work is strong enough so far, even with his unconventional looks (which I don't even think are that much of a roadblock; I think he's closer to a Joaquin Phoenix than a Steve Buscemi, personally, as he is getting leading roles on top of his featured ones), that I'd put him ahead of the pack purely based on what we've seen and his current trajectory, which is meteoric. Is he a traditional movie star? Probably not, but the era of the classic movie star is dying. We live in the era of the IP, where actors are secondary to the property. Butler does have the looks, the charm, the network skills, and from what I've seen he is a good actor. That should serve him well, and we'll see how he fares with Dune: Part Two because he seems like the sort of actor who would love the opportunity to be transformative, rather than rely on his natural looks and swagger. DiCaprio's biggest issue is he tries to be a DDL/De Niro/Oldman-type chameleon and fails at it because he doesn't understand the sort of actor he actually is. Hopefully Butler is more gifted at that. got leading roles too... Trees Lounge, Ghostworld....he led a whole prestige crime drama TV show in Boardwalk Empire.
As I said, I think Phoenix, while not a conventional pretty boy like his brother River, has always been percieved to have a lot of sex appeal and had a lot of female admirers for that reason ( people like Vincent Gallo, Benico Del Toro and Norman Reedus fall into a similar bracket). I just don't see that with Keoghan. It's like when people were trying to pretend John C Reilly had the same appeal as Gene Hackman. It always felt fanciful. |
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Post by stephen on Nov 10, 2023 18:33:26 GMT
To be fair, Penn really kinda outlasted a lot of his contemporaries in the '80s (i.e. Rourke, Kilmer, Eric Roberts) due to them being incredibly prickly and hard to work with, and Penn was a consummate networker more than anything else. Butler seems to be a nice enough guy as you say behind the scenes, which will definitely serve him well, and he does seem to be following Penn's playbook of networking with great talents early. Nothing wrong with that; that's how the game is played. You are right that it is too early to say who is top dog of the generation in regards to a more permanent basis, as anything could happen over the next few years to upend the apple cart. I do think Keoghan's body of work is strong enough so far, even with his unconventional looks (which I don't even think are that much of a roadblock; I think he's closer to a Joaquin Phoenix than a Steve Buscemi, personally, as he is getting leading roles on top of his featured ones), that I'd put him ahead of the pack purely based on what we've seen and his current trajectory, which is meteoric. Is he a traditional movie star? Probably not, but the era of the classic movie star is dying. We live in the era of the IP, where actors are secondary to the property. Butler does have the looks, the charm, the network skills, and from what I've seen he is a good actor. That should serve him well, and we'll see how he fares with Dune: Part Two because he seems like the sort of actor who would love the opportunity to be transformative, rather than rely on his natural looks and swagger. DiCaprio's biggest issue is he tries to be a DDL/De Niro/Oldman-type chameleon and fails at it because he doesn't understand the sort of actor he actually is. Hopefully Butler is more gifted at that. got leading roles too... Trees Lounge, Ghostworld....he led a whole prestige crime drama TV show in Boardwalk Empire.
As I said, I think Phoenix, while not a conventional pretty boy like his brother River, has always been percieved to have a lot of sex appeal and had a lot of female admirers for that reason ( people like Vincent Gallo, Benico Del Toro and Norman Reedus fall into a similar bracket). I just don't see that with Keoghan. It's like when people were trying to pretend John C Reilly had the same appeal as Gene Hackman. It always felt fanciful. John C. Reilly is an Adonis. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 10, 2023 21:42:16 GMT
Steve Buscemi got leading roles too... Trees Lounge, Ghostworld....he led a whole prestige crime drama TV show in Boardwalk Empire.
As I said, I think Phoenix, while not a conventional pretty boy like his brother River, has always been percieved to have a lot of sex appeal and had a lot of female admirers for that reason ( people like Vincent Gallo, Benico Del Toro and Norman Reedus fall into a similar bracket). I just don't see that with Keoghan. It's like when people were trying to pretend John C Reilly had the same appeal as Gene Hackman. It always felt fanciful. John C. Reilly is an Adonis. My point was that Gene Hackman, despite looking like an average guy that worked on the docks, was an unquestionable alpha male. His sheer confidence (that he carried in real life and onscreen) made up for the fact that he didn't look like a matinee idol. Dudes still wanted to be like him and many women wanted to be with a guy like Hackman. You usually need to have the quality to be a movie star if you don't have the conventional looks. But there were quite a few guys like that from his generation/era (like Lee Marvin or Charles Bronson). These were guys that were raised or came up in the shadow of World War 2. Different breed. Reilly is an excellent actor, but he never had that alpha male vibe or confidence of Hackman, which is why he was never going to transcend character actor status to movie star/leading man in the way someone like Hackman did. This is my thing with Keoghan as well. If he had that alpha thing going for him, he could possibly transcend his looks as well. But he doesn't. He just seems like a nice guy, grateful for the opportunity to be in movies. |
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