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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 3, 2023 18:18:41 GMT
I've talked about this a lot - self-loathing, weak, dumb are all roadblocks for actors (especially stars) .........here's Chris Plummer talking about "pathos" which he says you can't really act (more or less) you have to have the quality as a person (?!?) - he says Olivier didn't have and neither did he himself........but Ralph Richardson and Brando did...... Any emotion- or condition - you find is tricky for actors to play convincingly? I'll give you one - delerium.....not madness or despair - but the physical manifestatiion of delerium itself..........has anyone ever done this better than Isabelle Adjani? Could any actress have looked more ridiculous than her - but who triumphs in an area that most people can't even actually identify when they see it portrayed? * Overview. Delirium is a serious change in mental abilities. It results in confused thinking and a lack of awareness of someone's surroundings. The disorder usually comes on fast — within hours or a few days. Delirium can often be traced to one or more factors.* Sees or hears things that other people don't* Becomes confused and doesn't know where they are* No longer recognizes the people around them |
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Post by ibbi on Nov 3, 2023 19:49:31 GMT
When you're playing a real person with a really weird accent. See Inventing Anna, one of the worst things ever created by the hands of man (and remember, this is a species that created Crocs, 300, Slapfighting, and Katy Perry) in large part because every time Julia Garner speaks your brain starts going 'WOAH! WHAT IS GOING ON?!' and it's impossible to concentrate on anything else.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 3, 2023 23:06:22 GMT
Yeah ^ I always say a good friend of mine lived in Europe, the US South, the US Midwest and now in NYC and she has picked up vocal tics of each - if you heard her real life accent in a movie you'd think it was a terrible accent attempt ......of like 4 different accents...........
I always say accents don't matter much (to me) but when they go wrong they can.......
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Nov 4, 2023 6:32:06 GMT
- I’m not sure if actual actors would agree, but I’ve always thought that playing hysterical fear or panic seems challenging to pull off convincingly (or at least I would find it difficult if I were an actor). I feel like it would be hard to gauge the right pitch for playing that emotion in a way that would be appropriate for the specific context - like what would be too much or too little. I also think it would be hard for me to generate that emotion in a way that doesn’t seem completely forced and artificial because it’s not one that I myself experience very often, so I’m not as familiar with what it “feels” like to inhabit that emotion... like it’s not an emotion that I would be able to pull out of thin air, and it would probably feel too much like I’m trying to simulate it without being able to “lose myself” in it, if that makes sense.
- Playing not just one emotion, but a complicated mixture of emotions where you’re either vacillating between different emotions throughout a scene, or you’re playing multiple things simultaneously – for example, if you’re conveying a veneer of one emotion, but “hiding” something else beneath the surface (fear, sadness, pain). It requires a good amount of control because you have to suggest the underlying emotion enough for it to be identifiable, but not so much that it overwhelms the one that is the “mask.”
- If there’s many different elements that make up the character (sometimes even contradictory), it can be difficult to make them all seem connected, and to play them in a way that makes the character still appear like the same person consistently from scene to scene.
- Playing drunk
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 4, 2023 7:09:43 GMT
- Playing not just one emotion, but a complicated mixture of emotions where you’re either vacillating between different emotions throughout a scene, or you’re playing multiple things simultaneously – for example, if you’re conveying a veneer of one emotion, but “hiding” something else beneath the surface (fear, sadness, pain). It requires a good amount of control because you have to suggest the underlying emotion enough for it to be identifiable, but not so much that it overwhelms the one that is the “mask.” - If there’s many different elements that make up the character (sometimes even contradictory), it can be difficult to make them all seem connected, and to play them in a way that makes the character still appear like the same person consistently from scene to scene. Very true ^.......there is a specific performance ths year - by Lily McInerney in Palm Trees and Power Lines - although some list it as 2022 and it got some awards heat then ......that suggests that for this role at least - an actress with any more experience would have been very inappropriate because of that experience with the craft of acting in the first place.......... I don't think it's widely seen still on MAR - Tommen saw it I know - but this is a deeply uncomfortable movie and performance - and a lot of it has to with how she plays several contrary emotions at the exact same time like a wire fraying or water boiling over or something like that........it's really extraordinary to watch and makes you think about how casting directors can sometimes make or break a movie.........  |
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Post by ibbi on Nov 4, 2023 13:57:15 GMT
Yeah ^ I always say a good friend of mine lived in Europe, the US South, the US Midwest and now in NYC and she has picked up vocal tics of each - if you heard her real life accent in a movie you'd think it was a terrible accent attempt ......of like 4 different accents........... I always say accents don't matter much (to me) but when they go wrong they can....... Yeah, I don't think nailing an accent perfectly is worthy of much credit, and beyond the lolz I have no actual issue with Michael Caine or Sean Connery or Schwarzenegger playing Americans and yet speaking in their regular accent, but when you try to do one and it is distracting then that's just taking attention away from where it should be. It's as bad as bad editing or overscoring, etc. I suppose you could say the same about there being no accent where there should be one, but I don't think it's as bad  |
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Nov 4, 2023 14:30:34 GMT
Drunk/high.
Two of my go-to examples of this are from LOST of all places: Henry Ian Cusick (S2 finale for drunk) and Matthew Fox (S3 finale for high) as the pinnacle examples of realistic functionals.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Nov 4, 2023 19:50:43 GMT
Drunk/high. Two of my go-to examples of this are from LOST of all places: Henry Ian Cusick (S2 finale for drunk) and Matthew Fox (S3 finale for high) as the pinnacle examples of realistic functionals. Oh honey, Gena Rowlands in Opening Night. |
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Post by MsMovieStar on Nov 4, 2023 20:15:13 GMT
Oh honeys, indigestion.
Let me tell you, that's one of the hardest things to portray.
The director [English] said: 'Now, my dear, I don't want any burping or vomiting... I don't mind a little bit of flatulence... so long as it's rhythmic.. but absolutely no chest clutching... '
'Put your knife and fork down. You get up from table, yes... stand up... You have indigestion. These rich, cream laden French sauces haven't agreed with you... the Beurre blanc is making everything a blur... you need some fresh air, yes panting is good... you feel the nausea rising... a little higher... roll the eyes... a bit more nausea... good... you step outside... and fall over the side the rooftop restaurant.
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Post by wallsofjericho on Nov 4, 2023 20:44:22 GMT
Sounds silly, but having a phone conversation when the actor has to carry it alone and there's no one on the other end.
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Post by forksforest on Nov 5, 2023 3:48:39 GMT
When you're playing a real person with a really weird accent. See Inventing Anna, one of the worst things ever created by the hands of man (and remember, this is a species that created Crocs, 300, Slapfighting, and Katy Perry) in large part because every time Julia Garner speaks your brain starts going 'WOAH! WHAT IS GOING ON?!' and it's impossible to concentrate on anything else. Agreed - love Julia Garner but could not get through the first episode because of that accent and honestly idc how many times people try to tell me that’s really what “Anna” spoke like, I just can’t get past that noise. It would’ve been easier to take the show more seriously if they just took some creative liberties and gave her a consistent British accent or something. Unfortunate, I can imagine Garner tried hard to mimic the affectation/accent. |
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