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Post by theycallmemrfish on May 20, 2019 16:10:09 GMT
"Hey Bran, you're going to be a great ruler, but we're seceding from you and taking your biggest supporting army with us. LOLZ! Queen in the North! EAT IT SIX KINGDOMS!"
So let me get this straight, you're leaving a Stark headed Seven Kingdoms to create a Stark headed Northern Kingdom and leaving your little brother with his limp dick in his hands to show for it? Okay. Anyone else super annoyed by this? Does Westeros not have Anti-Trust laws?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 16:21:11 GMT
Season 1 Easily the most consistently great batch of episodes in the show. I'm still stunned by how many risks they took here, and it tremendously paid off. I do wish they found a way to incorporate the Tower of Joy dream sequence, but other than that I'd say this was a flawless adaptation of the first book.
Season 3 As I've said before, the best episodes/moments here are the peak of the series. Fairley's performance in The Rains of Castamere is, hands down, the best acting in the show.
Season 4 I go back and forth on whether I prefer this or Season 2, but I think I'll give 4 the edge for now. They're about equal in my mind. There're a few completely inexplicable changes made to the source material here that not only fail to add anything to the show, but actually weaken it (Jaime getting to King's Landing before Joffrey's wedding, everyone forgetting Tysha existed, Asha's bizarre rescue mission, the weird structure of Jon's story, Oberyn immediately being introduced as the bisexual guy [ooooooo], etc.), and to this day I'm not sure why they felt any of this stuff was necessary. Compared to my complaints with what comes after Season 4, these are all very minor problems, but they bug me because they could be so easily fixed if they went through another draft or two before deciding this is what they were going with. Oh well. Still a good season.
Season 2 If Theon and Arya's stories were closer to how they were in the books, I'd put this over Season 4 without hesitation. As it stands, this is a good season, but flawed.
Season 5 How Stannis was ultimately handled is one of my biggest problems with the show, but otherwise this season wasn't that bad. It was a significant step down from what preceded it, and the occasional instances of poor writing gradually became more and more frequent as it progressed, but it definitely felt like they were still trying. Yes, Dorne was stupid, yes, the Sansa/Ramsay story is ridiculous, but I do give a lot of credit to the writers for genuinely improving the flow of Tyrion and Daenerys' stories from the books. I still enjoy a good chunk of this season, but it is undoubtedly where the, uh, true downfall, began.
Season 6 While the writing had gone very, very downhill by this point, this season did showcase some great moments, and - as messy as it was - I found Battle of the Bastards really entertaining and cathartic. There were too many disappointing developments for me to rank this any higher, though, and the way they wrote off stuff they weren't sure what to do with (Dorne being the most egregious example of this) was lame.
Season 7 I didn't think it could get worse than this. Horrendously bad writing, characters turning into cartoons, sloppy pacing, treating the audience like idiots, and goofy pandering abound.
Season 8 Unbelievably awful. For me, probably the biggest letdown in fictional history. The production design, special effects, costumes etc. still rock but apart from that...insanity. The finale genuinely felt like a parody at times.
My favorite episodes:
1. The Rains of Castamere 2. And Now His Watch is Ended 3. Fire and Blood 4. Baelor 5. Blackwater 6. The Lion and the Rose 7. You Win or You Die 8. A Golden Crown 9. The Wolf and the Lion 10. The Pointy End
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on May 20, 2019 18:29:24 GMT
>Bran knew Dany was going to burn alive hundreds of thousands of people
>says nothing to Jon and Tyrion
>doesn't even try to reason with Dany
>reveals it was all part of his plan
What the fuck was his fucking problem?
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Post by ibbi on May 20, 2019 18:46:20 GMT
Honestly, if all that shit is what they came up with... Someone just needs to recut the episode so that we go to the credits right after the dragon flies away. My highlights were definitely - Sansa just refusing to support her brother and just take the north independent for no good reason I can think of (other than for having her get a crown at the end, and her being made queen outright being... too predictable? I mean he's Ned Stark's kid too, right? Why would they not accept him as king?) and everyone just being okay with it. - The soldiers who just murdered thousands of people and who were literally ready in this episode to slaughter loads of defeated, defenseless warriors on a whim apparently finding out this guy killed their queen (somehow???) and obviously... taking him prisoner and letting others decide his fate. - The fact that they just completely skipped over the MASSIVE MOMENT that would be the discovery of the murder because obviously there was no non-stupid way for them to pull it off? - WHO did they make master of coin? Aren't they supposed to be wise now?
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Post by Archie on May 20, 2019 19:02:53 GMT
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Post by theycallmemrfish on May 20, 2019 19:07:30 GMT
Oh god, I only made it to 1:10 before I had to x-out of the tab for being wayyyyyyyyyy too true.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 20, 2019 19:13:13 GMT
Well that opening 45 minutes was actually great through and through, provided you suspend disbelief about the size of King's Landing and the physical strength of Tyrion Lannister. Additionally, on a purely visual level, it was perhaps the most gorgeous television I've seen outside of BBC nature programming. Then the time jump happened and recent Game of Thrones returned to form. All the highlights of the stupidity have been pointed out in the posts that precede mine, but I will re-emphasize my own favourites... In what world are we supposed to believe the the other heads of the other 6 Kingdoms, will just roll over and let The North be an independent country. In particular the Iron Islands.... . I still think that the best ending would have been to disband the 7 Kingdoms. If you're going to turn the small council into a sitcom, then at least make it a good one. That was more Big Bang than Frasier. That 'A Song of Ice and Fire' name drop was appallingly done and pointless. I wish someone had bumped off Grey Worm. Bran is a reasonable choice for King, even if it does conflict ridiculously with his previous proclamations. Still, it's a long time since Game of Thrones had much sense or continuity in its writing. Overall, it was a passble finale, and the fact it redeemed the show a little after the horror show that was 'The Bells', is something to give it props for. On the one hand I'm sorry the show has ended, but on the other hand, I'm relieved the show has ended.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 20, 2019 19:17:35 GMT
It's honestly hard to decide which scene was worse. The big council one that chose the King, or the small council one.
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Post by Archie on May 20, 2019 19:20:45 GMT
It's honestly hard to decide which scene was worse. The big council one that chose the King, or the small council one. The big council scene had the legend Robin Arryn, that automatically makes it better.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on May 20, 2019 19:20:58 GMT
It's honestly hard to decide which scene was worse. The big council one that chose the King, or the small council one. Both are show logic clusterfucks, but I'll take the sitcom over the other one. Small council had me rolling my eyes, but the big council had me on the verge of internal hemorrhage.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 20, 2019 19:22:57 GMT
I think the small council for me too. It at least has a memeable Bronn, and his 'Master of Grammar' line.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 20, 2019 19:46:15 GMT
First coffee, now this. So while they failed to get democracy off the ground, they did manage to create bottled water. Go big council! I hope Bran adds Master of Recycling to his list of open positions.
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Post by Archie on May 20, 2019 20:03:15 GMT
I hated how they treated Edmure like a joke, but Sansa telling him to sit down was kinda funny.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 20, 2019 20:23:43 GMT
I hated how they treated Edmure like a joke, but Sansa telling him to sit down was kinda funny. Well, since that funeral scene, it's always hard to take him seriously.
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Post by notacrook on May 20, 2019 21:02:10 GMT
1) Season 3 - 9.5 2) Season 4 - 9.5 3) Season 1 - 9.5 4) Season 2 - 9 5) Season 6 - 8 6) Season 7 - 7 7) Season 5 - 7 8) Season 8 - 5.5
10 Best: 1) "And Now His Watch Is Ended" 2) "Hardhome" 3) "The Winds of Winter" 4) "The Rains of Castamere" 5) "Blackwater" 6) "A Man Without Honor" 7) "Baelor" 8) "Kissed By Fire" 9) "The Lion and the Rose" 10) "Battle of the Bastards"
5 Worst: 1) "Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken" 2) "No One" 3) "The Iron Throne" 4) "The Dance of Dragons" 5) "The Bells"
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Post by theycallmemrfish on May 20, 2019 21:22:02 GMT
Holy shit GoT memers are quick...
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Post by Archie on May 20, 2019 21:43:27 GMT
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Post by theycallmemrfish on May 20, 2019 21:46:37 GMT
Wait, was that from this episode?
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Post by finniussnrub on May 20, 2019 22:29:22 GMT
So the show runners kind of forgot about: That the majority of the Dothraki/Unsullied died in the battle of Winterfell. The purpose of Jon dying. The slave cities/Daario Naharis. The point of Nymeria.
The point of Bran's time travel warging abilities. The Reeds, especially the point of Howland Reed. That they ruined Jaime's arc, Brienne writing in a book doesn't changed what happened (or that The Blackfish died in the siege on Riverrun) People crushed by stone don't quite "preserve" that well.
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Post by notacrook on May 20, 2019 23:15:28 GMT
For the first 30-ish minutes, as a self-contained episode, I thought this was pretty damn good. But after Daenerys' death, it went rapidly, dismally downhill. The only character to have a satisfying arc was Sansa - everyone else's was either an inconsistent mess, or just rendered the last few seasons pointless for them (Jon - wtf). So, so many unresolved plotlines that didn't even seem to have a shred of thought put into them here - Arya's faceless power, Bran's warging, Jon's resurrection (and being a Targaryen rendered utterly insignificant), etc. Worst of all, it was honestly so boring. And that small council scene was indeed atrocious. I don't know if it was the worst series finale I've seen, but it was almost certainly the least satisfying, giving the potential it had and the love I had for the show before. I won't say it makes the show as a whole a waste of time, because those first 4 seasons (and a decent chunk of 5-7) were so good, but it certainly hinders the show's overall quality and legacy. A massive shame.
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Post by joephoenix on May 20, 2019 23:20:25 GMT
All time great: Season 3 Season 1
Great: Season 2
Really good: Season 4
Meh: Season 6
Really bad: Season 5 Season 7 Season 8
Eight favorite episodes: Hardhome The Rains of Castamere Blackwater Baelor The Watchers on the Wall The Lion and the Rose Fire and Blood Winter Is Coming
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Post by notacrook on May 20, 2019 23:29:22 GMT
Favourite performances of each season?
Season 1: Sean Bean/Mark Addy Season 2: Peter Dinklage Season 3: Nikolaj Coster-Waldau/Michelle Fairley Season 4: Peter Dinklage Season 5: Lena Headey Season 6: Kit Harington/Sophie Turner Season 7: Lena Headey (she carried much of this season, to be honest) Season 8: Emilia Clarke
Overall MVP: Early seasons it'd be Dinklage, but overall I'd hand it to Headey (her waste in S8 might be the biggest problem in a season full of them).
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 0:17:27 GMT
Dame Diana Rigg.
That's all I've got. Most of the acting on this series made the cast of "Passions" look like the Royal Shakespeare Company.
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Post by DeepArcher on May 21, 2019 0:24:02 GMT
1: Peter Dinklage. 2: Alfie Allen. 3: Nikolaj Coster-Waldau. 4: Charles Dance. 5: Stephen Dillane. 6: Lena Headey. 7: I honestly have no idea... 8: Emilia Clarke.
Top ten performances overall:
Lena Headey Stephen Dillane Charles Dance Alfie Allen Jack Gleeson Rory McCann Peter Dinklage Carice van Houten Michael McElhatton Diana Rigg
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Post by theycallmemrfish on May 21, 2019 0:29:50 GMT
Season 1: Peter Dinklage Season 2: Conelith Hill Season 3: Nikolaj Coster-Waldau (oof, this is probably the hardest one to do). Season 4: Peter Dinklage Season 5: Lena Headey Season 6: Kit Harington Season 7: Lena Headey Season 8: Emilia Clarke
It pains me to omit certain people like Bean/Addy, Cunningham, Fairley, Dillane, Dance, Kaye, Pascal, etc... but alas, such is the life of an ensemble cast.
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