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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 30, 2023 18:04:40 GMT
Of the 3 rivals - DDL, Fiennes, Oldman - 6 years apart - if you consider them same generation and leave out the great but minor Tim Roth - only Fiennes stayed with stage work - he is a great stage actor and gave the best stage performance I ever saw and I've seen a lot of the theater's finest and it's not close........I saw Rylance in Jerusalem ffs and he's second  Fiennes is the only one with a Tony........the only 1 with a "real" comic imprint (I think Oldman can be funny but it's different.......and DDL can do comedy but often he coulldn't - and he failed at overtly although he's humorous in drama in TWBB and Phantom Thread - he got freer as he got older)........Fiennes is the only one to be in a BP as a star ........not just once but twice.......Oldman zero, DDL zero as a star ........ I think Oldman has an unreal amout of talent - DDL, PSH, Joaquin - are the only ones imo that are comparable post-70s........Fiennes has a discipline that Oldman doesn't always bend to conform with his talent but Fiennes is not as much of a force of nature...... there's nothing that Oldman's skill set is missing.........there are some things in Fiennes that discipline can't quite cover..... Love both......  |
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Post by cherry68 on Aug 30, 2023 18:12:20 GMT
I can choose only one answer out of 6. Does it work for you?
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Post by Nikan on Aug 30, 2023 18:31:04 GMT
I can choose only one answer out of 6. Does it work for you? Yeah I screwed up  I appreciate those who who take time and answer more eloquently in their posts...  |
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Post by countjohn on Aug 30, 2023 21:36:55 GMT
I think I "like" Oldman more and find him more entertaining but Fiennes on a technical level beats anything he's done in things like Schindler's List, English Patient, and Grand Budapest. I like Oldman best in his earlier scenery chewing mode in things like The Professional, Dracula, Harry Potter, and his one scene wonder in True Romance.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 30, 2023 22:11:55 GMT
This is no comparison. Fiennes has been great 3, maybe 4 times. The Duchess, In Bruges..... and I don't even think he was that great in Schindler's List but I'll give him that.
Oldman.......... Sid & Nancy, State of Grace, JFK, Dracula, The Firm, True Romance, Leon, Immortal Beloved, Air Force One, The Contender, The Dark Knight and maybe I'm missing a few.
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Post by Nikan on Aug 31, 2023 8:44:17 GMT
Didn't think it'd be this neck and neck. we hear Oldman's name a lot more in our threads, or at least that was my impression of it.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Aug 31, 2023 16:27:26 GMT
Fiennes is one of my absolute favorites, but Oldman is really fucking good too.
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Post by stephen on Aug 31, 2023 16:41:13 GMT
Fiennes is one of my absolute favorites, but Oldman is really fucking good too. If you've not seen Slow Horses, you are missing out on Oldman at his career peak. |
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Aug 31, 2023 16:47:28 GMT
Fiennes is one of my absolute favorites, but Oldman is really fucking good too. If you've not seen Slow Horses, you are missing out on Oldman at his career peak. I really want to, it looks like Le Carre meets Ritchie, which I am so down for. I'll re-up my Apple+ at some point. |
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Aug 31, 2023 19:24:36 GMT
I can of course appreciate Oldman's talent, but my preference is Fiennes, Fiennes, Fiennes.
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Post by countjohn on Aug 31, 2023 22:44:06 GMT
Didn't think it'd be this neck and neck. we hear Oldman's name a lot more in our threads, or at least that was my impression of it. Oldman has more pop culture clout with Batman/Dracula/Potter/All those 90's action movie villains but I think Fiennes is the more "respected" of the two. I've heard some people say he's no. 2 of that generation behind DDL but not really about Oldman. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 31, 2023 22:52:25 GMT
Didn't think it'd be this neck and neck. we hear Oldman's name a lot more in our threads, or at least that was my impression of it. Oldman has more pop culture clout with Batman/Dracula/Potter/All those 90's action movie villains but I think Fiennes is the more "respected" of the two. I've heard some people say he's no. 2 of that generation behind DDL but not really about Oldman. is not more respected than Gary Oldman.Oldman is like a God, to so many actors. Tom Hardy, Christian Bale, Michael Fassbender...a lot of these actors grew up worshipping him. Fiennes is very respected, but not like that
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Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 31, 2023 23:01:48 GMT
Oldman has more pop culture clout with Batman/Dracula/Potter/All those 90's action movie villains but I think Fiennes is the more "respected" of the two. I've heard some people say he's no. 2 of that generation behind DDL but not really about Oldman. is not more respected than Gary Oldman.Oldman is like a God, to so many actors. Tom Hardy, Christian Bale, Michael Fassbender...a lot of these actors grew up worshipping him. Fiennes is very respected, but not like that
Yup. Oldman is a generational talent also. Fiennes is a respected actor who broke out with Schindlers List. Then proceeded to do a whole bunch of romantic leading man roles in the late 90s and his image was that for a long time before In Bruges and Harry Potter. But hes nothing like Oldman who is in a variety of roles, and with a diverse set of performances. You can call Oldman pop culture, but Fiennes has made his mark on pop culture too....an Anderson, The English Patient, In Bruges, Harry Potter, a Spielberg.....all movies seen by the same crowd as Oldmans'. |
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 1, 2023 7:21:31 GMT
This is no comparison. Fiennes has been great 3, maybe 4 times. The Duchess, In Bruges..... and I don't even think he was that great in Schindler's List but I'll give him that. Oldman.......... Sid & Nancy, State of Grace, JFK, Dracula, The Firm, True Romance, Leon, Immortal Beloved, Air Force One, The Contender, The Dark Knight and maybe I'm missing a few. Tinker, Taylor, Soldier, Spy ; or Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead, just to name a couple  |
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 1, 2023 7:28:35 GMT
pacinoyesHave you seen Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead or The fifth element? I think Oldman has great comedic skills.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 1, 2023 9:02:43 GMT
pacinoyes Have you seen Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead or The fifth element? I think Oldman has great comedic skills. I think he's arguably better at comedy than DDL is actually - whenever I criticize an actor for "not being able to do comedy" I usually mean it "at their highest level" rather than "not at all" .......it's more "how much have they pulled it off"........but Oldman can be funny: * I've seen both of those ^ and I LOVE Rosencrantz and Guildenstern as a play too - I've seen it a lot on stage - it's an ingenious written work * Some of my favorite comedic Oldman things are his appearance on Friends ..........one of my favorite line readngs of the last 10 years in Dawn of the Planet of the Apes where he turns an incredulous "Are you out of your FNCKING mind?" into a small masterpiece of line delivery (Oldman is also one of the best actors at convincingly cursing btw ) and of course...........this classic of scary-funny absurdist inspired acting:
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Post by SeanJoyce on Sept 2, 2023 13:25:23 GMT
I think I "like" Oldman more and find him more entertaining but Fiennes on a technical level beats anything he's done in things like Schindler's List, English Patient, and Grand Budapest. I like Oldman best in his earlier scenery chewing mode in things like The Professional, Dracula, Harry Potter, and his one scene wonder in True Romance.
Thanks for confirming! As scrudpup mentioned, Oldman is "that guy" among his peers, and especially younger actors who grew up emulating him. Watching Hugh Jackman openly gush about him to his face, unprompted, on Graham Norton's couch is one of my favorite things ever. I've never heard him considered second to only DDL, and I really doubt anybody else here has either. Fiennes had a nice little run there, but who remembers or cares about The English Patient these days?
Oldman for me is easily the best actor of that auspicious class of British thespians. And I quite like Roth, but I'm still seething that we were THIS close to getting Oldman and DDL together in Rosencratz and Guildenstern Are Dead. |
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Post by stephen on Sept 2, 2023 13:42:03 GMT
I can definitely see why Oldman appeals to the younger generation, because he was much more of a risk-taker and willing to subvert and pervert his image for the good of the role, whereas Fiennes appeals more to the classical, Olivier-esque crowd. I actually think Fiennes deserves the crown of "heir apparent" to Olivier more than Branagh ever did.
Funnily enough, I feel like I differ greatly from the general public on where I feel either actor excels. For all the talk of Oldman's bombastic performances and chameleonic nature, I think he works best in subdued, minimalistic works like Slow Horses and Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. His Oscar-winning performance as Churchill will always leave a sour taste in my mouth because the acting is overwhelmed by blubbery prostheses and it never feels genuine to me, which is a rarity even for Oldman.
Fiennes, conversely, I prefer in his more comedic ventures like In Bruges and Grand Budapest Hotel over his uber-intense roles like in Schindler's List.
Both are extraordinarily good at what they do, though.
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