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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 16, 2023 15:35:45 GMT
BAD for both movies. Sad weekend forthcoming.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Jun 16, 2023 16:24:24 GMT
Interesting. Wonder how much the Ezra Miller effect impacts The Flash's box office performance?
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 16, 2023 20:45:15 GMT
Interesting. Wonder how much the Ezra Miller effect impacts The Flash's box office performance? Likely zero |
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 17, 2023 0:57:02 GMT
Covid hurt Pixar in a bad way.
And poo on Flash
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 17, 2023 16:14:14 GMT
Interesting. Wonder how much the Ezra Miller effect impacts The Flash's box office performance? Very likely. Not only was the opening weekend heavily male, but because of his accusations he couldn't do promotion. A disaster all around. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 17, 2023 16:15:18 GMT
Very bad for both movies, but Elemental does seem to have some positive WOM, which should help it, given that theatrical original animation is in a bad place right now.
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Post by JangoB on Jun 17, 2023 16:22:44 GMT
Gotta say, I'm kinda shocked by The Flash performance... not that I care about the movie or anything - I just thought it'd make some good-ass money with its ads being so heavily focused on Keaton's Batman and the Man of Steel scenes. Wasn't it supposed to be the guaranteed DC hit? Holy mackerel.
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Post by countjohn on Jun 17, 2023 16:33:12 GMT
Don't think there's any question Ezra Miller had an effect here. Your star not being able to do any promotion for a big tentpole is a problem and if the opening skewed heavily male that's probably telling. The young women who would have been in the audience for this are the ones who follow that stuff most. And I've heard before that DC's gender split is more even than the MCU even if the audience is smaller so that probably indicated women who'd seen previous DCU movies stayed home. Not surprised about Elemental either. As with almost everything PIXAR puts out these days it looks too esoteric for kids and too corny and childish for adults. The worst of both worlds when both PIXAR and Disney used to find the sweet spot in the middle. And the "BEING DIFFERENT MAKES YOU SPECIAL" ethos getting blasted in all the trailers is the kind of trite crap PIXAR made fun of in The Incredibles back when they were cool. Gotta say, I'm kinda shocked by The Flash performance... not that I care about the movie or anything - I just thought it'd make some good-ass money with its ads being so heavily focused on Keaton's Batman and the Man of Steel scenes. Wasn't it supposed to be the guaranteed DC hit? Holy mackerel. The only guaranteed hits for DC are actual Batman movies. Which is why they should have just done a Dark Knight Returns type Keaton Batman movie as I said. |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 17, 2023 17:13:33 GMT
Don't think there's any question Ezra Miller had an effect here. Your star not being able to do any promotion for a big tentpole is a problem and if the opening skewed heavily male that's probably telling. The young women who would have been in the audience for this are the ones who follow that stuff most. And I've heard before that DC's gender split is more even than the MCU even if the audience is smaller so that probably indicated women who'd seen previous DCU movies stayed home. Yeah, Ezra Miller's issues definitely had an impact. We had 2.5 years of their reign of terror all over the place, with enough cases and more than enough time for a significant amount of the audience to have heard about them. Plus with the news of the DC reboot, it was abundantly clear to their audience that this movie did not matter in the grand scheme of things, and any talks to the contrary just magnified how Ezra Miller was getting a pass. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 17, 2023 18:49:26 GMT
I’d be shocked if Ezra Miller’s issues had any significant impact on the box office. I really don’t think the vast majority of the general public knows him by name, let along is familiar with any of the off-camera controversies. I don’t see how someone with zero name recognition not doing any promo made a real difference? The financial impact of those who actively chose not to go see this specifically because of Miller has to only be in the thousands of dollars.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 17, 2023 19:05:46 GMT
I’ve been so hot and cold on DC in the past, that despite the good decisions they’ve made post Justice League (The Batman and The Suicide Squad among them), the DCEU is in such a rough state of flux right now.
Namely, off the back of the fact that this timeline is ending and being reset. I know DC has been patchy, but at least they tried to course correct, and were making for good counter-programming to Marvel. But with the reset option, it really highlights (and I know we’ve been saying this for years) that they had no plan, and now anything they have left before the switch just feels like obligation.
Here’s the thing, though. When Marvel makes a bad move, they don’t pretend it doesn’t exist (at least, not entirely). They roll with it, and move on. From the start, DC has been in a constant back and forth to course correct, to the point it makes them seem desperate. And now they’re shuttering it altogether. I don’t care about The Flash anymore. I have no obligation to see Blue Beetle or whatever else is next. You’ve killed off any interest or obligation I have to keep following this franchise, something that recent moves like Black Adam and Fury of the Gods hasn’t helped.
Also, the fact that The Flash is headlined by someone as deeply problematic as Miller, and the studio is insisting on keeping them in the starring role, does not bode well for those in charge making the decisions.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 17, 2023 19:18:55 GMT
Also, the fact that The Flash is headlined by someone as deeply problematic as Miller, and the studio is insisting on keeping them in the starring role, does not bode well for those in charge making the decisions. Nothing has pointed to the studio keeping miller beyond this movie yet. |
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 17, 2023 20:06:14 GMT
Also, the fact that The Flash is headlined by someone as deeply problematic as Miller, and the studio is insisting on keeping them in the starring role, does not bode well for those in charge making the decisions. Nothing has pointed to the studio keeping miller beyond this movie yet. Even so, when we were hearing rumors about it, I remember thinking “you can’t be serious.” Maybe Miller grows as a person, maybe they make up for all the bad headlines and deeply troubling stunts they’ve pulled. But right now, if not hurting the next entry’s business and WOM, I don’t see it being a good PR move either. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 18, 2023 1:52:24 GMT
I’d be shocked if Ezra Miller’s issues had any significant impact on the box office. I really don’t think the vast majority of the general public knows him by name, let along is familiar with any of the off-camera controversies. I don’t see how someone with zero name recognition not doing any promo made a real difference? The financial impact of those who actively chose not to go see this specifically because of Miller has to only be in the thousands of dollars. I mean the opening being 67% male or something, does seem rather odd no?! |
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Post by Pavan on Jun 18, 2023 4:34:55 GMT
Them betting a lot on Keaton wasn't a good idea in the first place. Keaton's Batman may be nostalgic for some middle-aged crowd in the US but the rest of the world don't even know who he is and what he did. For most people Christian Bale is Batman. Affleck for very few. That's it.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jun 18, 2023 8:17:33 GMT
Yeah, I lean more on the side of Miller’s impact on the box office probably being negligible. I think it has much more to do with the fact that the DCEU brand overall is just irredeemably tarnished at this point... I mean just look at how the last few DCEU movies have performed at the box office. Sure, none of them had Batman in them, but remember in 2017 when Justice League couldn’t even crack $100 million in its opening weekend? The first fucking live-action Justice League movie was out-grossed by the third Thor movie in its opening weekend that very same month lol. To this day, that’s still astonishing to me.
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Post by flasuss on Jun 18, 2023 14:43:48 GMT
I’d be shocked if Ezra Miller’s issues had any significant impact on the box office. I really don’t think the vast majority of the general public knows him by name, let along is familiar with any of the off-camera controversies. I don’t see how someone with zero name recognition not doing any promo made a real difference? The financial impact of those who actively chose not to go see this specifically because of Miller has to only be in the thousands of dollars. I mean the opening being 67% male or something, does seem rather odd no?! Apparently, it's one big coincidence |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 18, 2023 15:28:56 GMT
Things keep getting worse for The Flash.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 18, 2023 15:40:09 GMT
I’d be shocked if Ezra Miller’s issues had any significant impact on the box office. I really don’t think the vast majority of the general public knows him by name, let along is familiar with any of the off-camera controversies. I don’t see how someone with zero name recognition not doing any promo made a real difference? The financial impact of those who actively chose not to go see this specifically because of Miller has to only be in the thousands of dollars. I mean the opening being 67% male or something, does seem rather odd no?! Is that drastically off vs something like Black Adam? I’m not sure what the norm is outside of families. But I would generally expect a flash movie tied to Man of Steel and ‘89 nostalgia to be more male dominated in terms of viewership. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 18, 2023 15:41:47 GMT
I mean the opening being 67% male or something, does seem rather odd no?! Apparently, it's one big coincidence There are numerous factors that can be in play for the audience demo and underwhelming BO |
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Post by flasuss on Jun 18, 2023 16:45:58 GMT
Apparently, it's one big coincidence There are numerous factors that can be in play for the audience demo and underwhelming BO And the leading star being a menace to society with appalling and criminal behaviors, particularly against women, isn't? It's a pretty massive coincidence.. |
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Post by Archie on Jun 18, 2023 17:22:21 GMT
Is Ezra's career over now?
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Post by havok2 on Jun 18, 2023 20:42:07 GMT
LMAO meanwhile Zack's happy AF at Netflix. WB should have learned its lesson to focus on individual grounded stories instead of capitalizing meme trends.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 19, 2023 0:31:52 GMT
There are numerous factors that can be in play for the audience demo and underwhelming BO And the leading star being a menace to society with appalling and criminal behaviors, particularly against women, isn't? It's a pretty massive coincidence.. It would be a major factor if he was more of a known entity and the stories were more widely publicized. I’m not saying it had zero effect, just nowhere close enough to make a major impact. I honestly think that most people just weren’t that interested in the movie in general. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 19, 2023 15:04:41 GMT
Nothing has pointed to the studio keeping miller beyond this movie yet. Even so, when we were hearing rumors about it, I remember thinking “you can’t be serious.” Maybe Miller grows as a person, maybe they make up for all the bad headlines and deeply troubling stunts they’ve pulled. But right now, if not hurting the next entry’s business and WOM, I don’t see it being a good PR move either. I do think that WB didn’t want to show their cards too early. If the movie made a billion dollars (or close to it) then they certainly would have kept the PR machine going and green lit a sequel with Miller. But now that it’s a flop, they’ll likely just move forward with Gunn’s new DCU and do a soft reboot of the Flash years down the line. More interesting will be how Marvel views this in terms of Major’s future with them. They may be more inclined to recast now vs risking moving forward with him. I think they were likely using The Flash as one of their barometers. And I feel Majors is a much bigger star than Miller so there would be more of a public impact. |
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