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Post by Joaquim on Jul 26, 2022 0:08:19 GMT
As requested (you could’ve started the thread yourself tho, pacinoyes) a thread for pacinoyes and I to attempt to outdo each other in terms of who can come up with the more repulsive political opinion I will start - Trump is not the worst president of my lifetime (good luck coming up with a worse opinion). In fact, even for all the shit that I give him, he may still actually be the least bad president of my lifetime. I was born during the Clinton years but I think I was born too late into them to really call it “my lifetime”. Otherwise I think I’d actually say Clinton was the least bad (shocking coming from me, I know). Trump I’d definitely put over Dubya and Obama tho (won’t comment on the sitting president, too soon for that). Shit, and if you put a gun to my head and told me to pick Bush or Obama which was least bad I might even say Obama there too considering he was actually running the show unlike Bush (or Biden for that matter). But yea, the bar has just been so fucking low for presidents in my lifetime that Trump is the bar. That is an absolute embarrassment and a stain on the office of the presidency. And no, I don’t feel good saying Trump is the least bad and that he’s the bar. I am disgusted that this is the case, but I can not tell a lie. DeSantis can’t come in and raise the bar soon enough! Although to be fair, I don’t like most of the presidents this country has had anyway. I was tinkering with a presidents tier list on tiermaker.com and put half the presidents in the D/F tiers, including all the aforementioned presidents. I can not put together a list of the top 10 presidents in this country’s history without picking a C tier president. I guess that’s another comparison you can make between America and the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire had a handful of great emperors but once you get past those few good ones and into the other 150 or so…
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 26, 2022 8:59:52 GMT
* Trump telling Hillary "because you'd be in jail" in that debate is the exact moment where the country split politically - after that anything could be said by either party about the other - in the crassest language.....it's our Oppenheimer moment ..........to put into crass cinematic language * The state of the stock market is a major issue in midterms at least - that's being largely underplayed - it gets lost in the overall "economy" numbers but its a separate stand alone issue....so is the state of the housing market (which is disastrous). That's parents retirements and their children's future in 2 ways - it's missed in polling, the entire market research industry who design those polls (now THAT'S an industry that should be fncking investigated by Congress btw) and by the mainstrean media almost entirely....and also by MAR obviously .......because everybody gives lip service about "the poor" .........but not the actual shit that makes people poor(er) ......
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Post by Film Socialism on Jul 26, 2022 17:20:48 GMT
not only am i against the entire concept of free speech, i highly doubt that more than a tiny tiny amount of the populace is ready to reckon with it. of course, many do understand this - and their notion of "free speech" comes with exceptions - but i find the list to be so extensive already that it's a contradictory statement. i just generally think that nobody is truly under the belief that words and ideology are inseparable of consequence (this has virtually never been how any society has functioned) and i certainly am not either.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jul 26, 2022 17:25:25 GMT
* Trump telling Hillary "because you'd be in jail" in that debate is the exact moment where the country split politically - after that anything could be said by either party about the other - in the crassest language.....it's our Oppenheimer moment ..........to put into crass cinematic language * The state of the stock market is a major issue in midterms at least - that's being largely underplayed - it gets lost in the overall "economy" numbers but its a separate stand alone issue....so is the state of the housing market (which is disastrous). That's parents retirements and their children's future in 2 ways - it's missed in polling, the entire market research industry who design those polls (now THAT'S an industry that should be fncking investigated by Congress btw) and by the mainstrean media almost entirely....and also by MAR obviously .......because everybody gives lip service about "the poor" .........but not the actual shit that makes people poor(er) ...... i think the market is frequently over hyped as a political issue. most working folk do not have a sizable savings account, most rich folk will be fine regardless of the market, and middle class folk are in some ways dependent on the market, but it doesn't really matter too much what happens until they're at least in their 40s. if anything, the notion of "the economy being good and the market going up is always preferable to the opposite" is an idea taken for granted that never really sat well w me (things being over valued in the trump era and crashing at the first sign or friction).
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Post by cherry68 on Jul 26, 2022 20:44:12 GMT
Joaquim I have witnessed 8 Italian presidents in my life, and I have to say my favourite, Francesco Cossiga, was the only one who resigned in the history of the Republic (I abstain about Giuseppe Saragat whose presidency ended in 1971 though, as I don't remember him).
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Post by dazed on Jul 28, 2022 0:48:59 GMT
people should have just as much anger/if not more anger towards corporations/private industry as they do with the government(s) that they're constantly angry with
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Post by cherry68 on Jul 28, 2022 3:58:41 GMT
people should have just as much anger/if not more anger towards corporations/private industry as they do with the government(s) that they're constantly angry with Why? Companies are designed to make money and mind their own business. Government is supposed to do people's interests and it's elected, paid through taxes and designed for that.
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Post by dazed on Jul 28, 2022 4:20:03 GMT
people should have just as much anger/if not more anger towards corporations/private industry as they do with the government(s) that they're constantly angry with Why? Companies are designed to make money and mind their own business. Government is supposed to do people's interests and it's elected, paid through taxes and designed for that. too bad companies are allowed to donate as individuals through private donations to political campaigns, thus them not minding their own business and having a huge influence on what policies are put forth. it’s as if it’s legalized bribery. here’s a video that explains it better than i would be able to:
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Post by cherry68 on Jul 28, 2022 5:59:54 GMT
Why? Companies are designed to make money and mind their own business. Government is supposed to do people's interests and it's elected, paid through taxes and designed for that. too bad companies are allowed to donate as individuals through private donations to political campaigns, thus them not minding their own business and having a huge influence on what policies are put forth. it’s as if it’s legalized bribery. here’s a video that explains it better than i would be able to: Oh well, that refers to the US. It's not like that here. We don't have lobbyists for instance. At least not officially.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 4, 2022 9:39:19 GMT
* The PA Senate race is truly gross - Dr. Oz a hilariously bad candidate - at least Walker is Ga sports hero - vs. Fetterman who yesterday the story broke took tens of thousands of dollars from his mom and dad into his 40s - 40s! - and bought his sisters house for a $1.......so while America can't afford to eat or buy a house - those 2 are the dudes fighting it out for "us"......the capitalist is (of course) a greedy, opportunist capitalist and the socialist is a well ......an effete socialist who never had to work anyway. Great job, 2 party system..... * I think it's still the economy and not abortion on the midterms - but you'd have to be pretty dense to not see a big Kansas abortion rights win, a possible big bill passing if Sinema signs off, a dead terrorist on his balcony and Biden about to um, you know bribe voters with student debt forgiveness - as the momentum being all on the Democrats side atm......
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Post by Joaquim on Aug 4, 2022 12:09:51 GMT
A little bit surprised no third party candidate has gotten any traction at all in this Pennsylvania senate race with how awful the candidates are. Even in Arkansas back in 2020 you had a libertarian candidate gain some recognition when no democrat bothered to challenge Tom Cotton for his senate seat
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Post by cherry68 on Aug 4, 2022 13:48:26 GMT
In September there'll be parliament elections in Italy and the center right seems to be favourite in the polls. This is a comment I saw online :
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Post by hugobolso on Aug 4, 2022 17:48:33 GMT
I support Nancy Pelosi Taiwan trip!!!
None could accuse me of being a Democratic Party Lover.-
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Aug 7, 2022 16:11:41 GMT
1) If a society can disenfranchise prisoners and prevent under 18s from voting, the elderly should definitely not be allowed to vote. How can a 95 year old Alzheimer's patient vote but a person who went through a supposedly rehabilitative system be deprived of this? How can a person who won't be alive long enough to see the lasting consequences of their vote have this right but a teenager who is going to grow up in a country shaped by these policies can't? I'm all for universal suffrage, however there's too many contradictions in the electorate to abide by this while older people of diminishing health and mind, as well as already holding well-kept out of touch values, continually fuck up the world for younger generations.
2) While on the subject of voting: significant, country-altering referendums should need a clear and solid majority, not like a 52% win for Vote Leave with Brexit. If a referendum can be retaken in a few years and shows different results, that's a problem. A vote like that should AT LEAST be a 60% majority to show a strong consensus on an issue people have understood will come with some very real repercussions. It shouldn't be a divisive slight win.
3) If the UK wants to survive as a union, it has to adopt a federalist system because the current model of devolution is a failure but separation would be disastrous.
4) Religion plays an undisputable role in influencing public political opinion, so there's no reason why churches shouldn't be taxed.
5) The idea that encouraging further immigration is a solution to a country with an older population/declining birth rates is very dangerous and only fuels extremism instead of addressing the real issues of why people aren't having children anymore. I'm not sure that this is unpopular rather than it's more so controversial to discuss because you have to tiptoe around falling into that Great Replacement rhetoric.
6) Denuclearisation is naïve and Ukraine has proven this especially.
7) This one shouldn't be unpopular but I guess it is: it's perfectly fine to fall out or not be friends with people over political differences.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 7, 2022 20:51:26 GMT
I support a complete end to capital punishment. All cases with no exceptions. While I concede there are some who arguably "deserve" to die for their crimes (and I'm not weeping for John Wayne Gacy), I don't trust a justice system as blatantly flawed and stacked against defendants as ours to fairly achieve that level of certainty in most cases, so the most consistent thing to do is end it for everyone, period. State-sanctioned organized killing is incredibly cruel, to the inmates themselves but also their families and also often for prison employees who participate. It's cruel and inherently dehumanizing, and it has no place in a modern society.
I guess that makes me pro-life.
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Post by Brother Fease on Aug 8, 2022 1:15:41 GMT
I support a complete end to capital punishment. All cases with no exceptions. While I concede there are some who arguably "deserve" to die for their crimes (and I'm not weeping for John Wayne Gacy), I don't trust a justice system as blatantly flawed and stacked against defendants as ours to fairly achieve that level of certainty in most cases, so the most consistent thing to do is end it for everyone, period. State-sanctioned organized killing is incredibly cruel, to the inmates themselves but also their families and also often for prison employees who participate. It's cruel and inherently dehumanizing, and it has no place in a modern society. I guess that makes me pro-life. I tend to flip-flop on this issue. Statistically speaking, it cost more money to put somebody to death than to endure life in prison. There also is no evidence that states with capital punishment have a lower crime rate or murder rate. Fox News even quoted an article from Forbes magazine which concluded that every time someone is put to death, a school closes down.
The only legitimate argument left is the "deserve to die" line of reasoning. As in, somebody committed the world's worst crimes and the only fitting punishment is death. So I guess I am pro-capital punishment for the most deadliest criminals. As in, putting this person in prison for life puts human lives in endanger. That's really the only logic for it.
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Post by Brother Fease on Aug 8, 2022 1:30:15 GMT
I'll take a bite of the apple here. First off, what is an "unpopular opinion"? I guess it depends on the state or what the majority of population believe.
So I'll say here are mine (as you can see, I am extremely moderate):
- Lifelong Pro-Lifer. I only support abortion in cases of rape, incest and medical emergencies for either the mother or child.
- Government marital laws should extend to polygamy and close relatives. Marriage laws are about people's ability to obtain property and share finances.
- I am not a fan of smoking or recreational drugs. They are only a net negative for our society, beyond medical reasoning.
- I agree with Trump's views on illegal immigration, building the wall (minus the nonsense about Mexico paying for it), and starting the Space Force. However, I do not agree with how he executed these policies which were extremely cruel.
- Herbert Hoover was unfairly slandered by FDR and his political campaign.
- I was born in 1982. George H.W Bush is my favorite president of my lifetime. Barack Obama is in close second.
- I appreciate both Republican and Democratic Presidents over the years.
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Post by Film Socialism on Aug 8, 2022 3:49:26 GMT
i'm pro capital punishment for like, cops and senators and shit
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 8, 2022 10:23:38 GMT
* The leaking of the the Roe v. Wade overturning decision encourages chaos - not activism - and possible um, murder one day - the indifference to that leak is one of the most perverse things imo that I've ever read on MAR or IMDB and is exactly why you should never give a shit about who likes your posts - ever because a lot of people "liked" posts that said they didn't care about the leak at all - the actual decision may have been against what you and I wanted - but to not differentiate between the two things is pretty simplistic and dangerous.... * Not too unpopular but there has never been a more duplicitious politician, in my lifetime than Lindsey Graham - he can't even fake it and aspire to be Ted Cruz * Tucker Carlson sounds an awful lot like pacinoyes punching bag Bernie Sanders when he talks about economic issues - his (or their) one insightful issue - He should really talk economics and nothing else tbh...... * There is no more depressing political issue than the apparent regurgitation of loser candidates on both parties - Stacey Abrams, Beto, Trump - now it's possible these 3 could win next time - and there's always been losers who come back (Biden ran for President before yanno?) - but now it seems almost painfully repetetive. Their faces are nauseating to me ..... * The election that defined America was 2012 - not 2000 or 2016 - that election enabled Trump, Mitt Romney it was implied was a "racist" and a "sexist" (yeah, ok) and there were all kinds of implications including but not limited to the eroding of the Democrat voter base - which you are only seeing 10 years later with Hispanics defecting. America is still sorting out the ugliness of that election and I voted for Obama and would again - but if he lost - Romney would have likely been a 1 term President, you get Clinton in 2016, no Trump, no Biden who are the 2 Headed Serpent of Death ..........and keep the Supreme Court. I know, that's a lot of hypothetical stuff but .......my post. Pffft.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Aug 8, 2022 15:01:27 GMT
No jail for drugs.
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Aug 8, 2022 15:28:58 GMT
* The leaking of the the Roe v. Wade overturning decision encourages chaos - not activism - and possible um, murder one day - the indifference to that leak is one of the most perverse things imo that I've ever read on MAR or IMDB and is exactly why you should never give a shit about who likes your posts - ever because a lot of people "liked" posts that said they didn't care about the leak at all - the actual decision may have been against what you and I wanted - but to not differentiate between the two things is pretty simplistic and dangerous.... If your point is still that it sets a worrying precedent and was unconstitutional, maybe the American political structure itself is the one that is fundamentally broken.
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Aug 8, 2022 15:38:34 GMT
i'm pro capital punishment for like, cops and senators and shit This is why I think the debate about the death penalty is way too complex to be judged alongside other controversial issues. While I'm against the state in its current form using its power to execute its citizens (especially since the state is the one deciding what's illegal), it's only a practical concern because of the type of governance we all live under and not an ethical position. Like, what would you even do with people like Kissinger or Cheney in prison? That goes against what a prison is supposed to be - a rehabilitative institution, housing inmates until they're fit to reintegrate back into society.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 15:41:29 GMT
Kathryn Bigelow's Detroit is the movie Clarence Thomas watches to relax and unwind.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 8, 2022 16:23:21 GMT
* The leaking of the the Roe v. Wade overturning decision encourages chaos - not activism - and possible um, murder one day - the indifference to that leak is one of the most perverse things imo that I've ever read on MAR or IMDB and is exactly why you should never give a shit about who likes your posts - ever because a lot of people "liked" posts that said they didn't care about the leak at all - the actual decision may have been against what you and I wanted - but to not differentiate between the two things is pretty simplistic and dangerous.... If your point is still that it sets a worrying precedent and was unconstitutional, maybe the American political structure itself is the one that is fundamentally broken. That was not my point, and while I do welcome your predictably fun, wacky, and faux radical chic POV like you're Joe Strummer in 1980 - I would gently point out that this is an Unpopular Opinons Thread ........... not a discussion thread and certainly not one regarding "the American political structure being fundamentally broken" ........from someone that doesn't live in America under that structure....... ..........and while you're welcome to say that of course and any other well reasoned (um) political POV you might have.......... pacinoyes is welcome to pass on a discussion - not always - but certainly here in this case - though I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers - specifically if that bothers you I'll do it twice - and insert a random flag photo of a girl in an American flag bikini - as either an odd non sequitur juxtaposition, a form of cheeky irony .........or something more aggressively hostile.
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Post by cherry68 on Aug 8, 2022 19:06:36 GMT
If your point is still that it sets a worrying precedent and was unconstitutional, maybe the American political structure itself is the one that is fundamentally broken. That was not my point, and while I do welcome your predictably fun, wacky, and faux radical chic POV like you're Joe Strummer in 1980 - I would gently point out that this is an Unpopular Opinons Thread ........... not a discussion thread and certainly not one regarding "the American political structure being fundamentally broken" ........from someone that doesn't live in America under that structure....... ..........and while you're welcome to say that of course and any other well reasoned (um) political POV you might have.......... pacinoyes is welcome to pass on a discussion - not always - but certainly here in this case - though I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers - specifically if that bothers you I'll do it twice - and insert a random flag photo of a girl in an American flag bikini - as either an odd non sequitur juxtaposition, a form of cheeky irony .........or something more aggressively hostile. Fake boobs. And this is not an opinion.
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