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Post by Mattsby on Apr 14, 2022 18:04:38 GMT
Call the Poe-lice. It's the next mini from Flanagan after Haunting of Hill House and Midnight Mass... Cast: Carla Gugino, Mary McDonnell, Mark Hamill, Carl Lumbly, and a bunch of his regulars, Henry Thomas, Robert Longstreet, his wife Kate Siegel. Frank Langella was playing the major role Roderick Usher but he's been fired! ( @tyler the spilling continues ). And it's been filming since January so this might set back the release a bit. My bets on Sutherland or Irons to replace him.
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Post by Drish on Apr 14, 2022 19:39:32 GMT
That Bly Manor erasure I'm SO excited for this. That cast is to die for, I wish Pedretti and Jackson-Cohen were in this though.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Apr 14, 2022 20:33:31 GMT
Langella getting fired is crazy. And it was only after the investigation was concluded so it's not like it was just an allegation. Absolutely shameful that people on film sets are still doing this. Sutherland or Irons would be a dream recast. Both better than Langella in the first place.
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Post by Mattsby on Apr 29, 2022 18:03:39 GMT
I like Greenwood but seems we aimed too high......
Mike Flanagan @flanaganfilm I'm elated to welcome my dear friend, the brilliant BRUCE GREENWOOD to THE FALL OF THE HOUSE OF USHER as the iconic Roderick Usher. This will be our 4th collaboration.
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Post by stephen on Apr 29, 2022 18:07:26 GMT
Greenwood was so damn good in Gerald's Game that I'm not overly mad about this, but come on, Charles Dance was right there.
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Post by Mattsby on Apr 29, 2022 18:16:05 GMT
Greenwood was so damn good in Gerald's Game that I'm not overly mad about this, but come on, Charles Dance was right there. Ohhhhh man. And he's been all over Netflix originals recently too (Mank, The Crown, The Sandman, Against The Ice...).
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Post by quetee on May 6, 2022 15:25:30 GMT
Editor’s Note: On April 13, Deadline broke the story that Frank Langella had been fired as the lead of the Netflix limited series The Fall of the House of Usher after an investigation into an alleged unacceptable conduct on set, including sexual harassment toward an actress. At the time, we reached out to the Oscar-nominated actor for comment. Here is his reaction to the dismissal, written as a guest column.
I have been canceled. Just like that.
In the increasing madness that currently pervades our industry, I could not have imagined that the words “collateral damage” would fall upon my shoulders. They have brought with them a weight I had not expected to bear in the closing decades of my career. And along with it has come an unanticipated sense of grave danger.
On April 14 of this year, I was fired by Netflix for what they determined to be unacceptable behavior on set. My first instinct was to blame. To lash out and seek vengeance. I interviewed crisis managers, tough connected lawyers, the professionally sympathetic at $800 per hour. Free advice was proffered as well:
“Don’t play the victim.” “Don’t sue. They’ll dig into your past.” “Sign the NDA, take the money and run.” “Do the talk shows, show contrition, feign humility. Say you’ve learned a lot.”
Apologize. Apologize. Apologize.
I was playing the leading role of Roderick Usher in Edgar Allan Poe’s classic The Fall of the House of Usher, modernized as an eight-episode series for Netflix. It is a glorious role, and I had come to regard it as, most likely, my last hurrah. Bizarrely prophetic under the current circumstances.
On March 25 of this year, I was performing a love scene with the actress playing my young wife. Both of us were fully clothed. I was sitting on a couch, she was standing in front of me. The director called “cut.” “He touched my leg,” said the actress. “That was not in the blocking.” She then turned and walked off the set, followed by the director and the intimacy coordinator. I attempted to follow but was asked to “give her some space.” I waited for approximately one hour, and was then told she was not returning to set and we were wrapped.
Not long after, an investigation began. Approximately one week later, Human Resources asked to speak to me by phone. “Before the love scene began on March 25,” said the questioner, “our intimacy coordinator suggested where you both should put your hands. It has been brought to our attention that you said, ‘This is absurd!’” “Yes,” I said, “I did. And I still think so.” It was a love scene on camera. Legislating the placement of hands, to my mind, is ludicrous. It undermines instinct and spontaneity. Toward the end of our conversation, she suggested that I not contact the young lady, the intimacy coordinator, or anyone else in the company. “We don’t want to risk retaliation,” she said. When I mentioned that it was certainly not my intention to … she cut me off politely and said: “Intention is not our concern. Netflix deals only with impact.”
When you are the leading actor, it requires, in my opinion, that you set an example by keeping the atmosphere light and friendly. Nevertheless, these were some of the allegations: 1. “He told an off-color joke. 2. “Sometimes he called me ‘baby’ or ‘honey.’” 3. “He’d give me a hug or touch my shoulder.”
“You cannot do that, Frank,” said our producer. “You can’t joke. You can’t compliment. You can’t touch. It’s a new order.”
On April 13, the following item appeared on TMZ: “Frank Langella has been fired by Netflix for fondling a young actress between takes and she stormed off the set.” That is demonstrably false. That is a total lie. The actress was mentioned by name. The same young woman who had accused me of “touching her leg” on camera in the love scene. The next day the item was corrected to read: “Frank Langella has not been fired but is under investigation.” In this version, the actress’s name was deleted.
That afternoon, I was fired. I was not given a hearing with Netflix. My request to meet one-on-one with the actress was denied. The directors and the producer stopped answering my emails and phone calls. Within 30 minutes of my firing, a letter went out to cast and crew and a full press release was sent immediately. My representatives and I were given no opportunity to comment or collaborate on the narrative.
I cannot speak to the intentions of my accuser or Netflix, but the impact on me has been incalculable. I lost a thrilling part, the chance at future earnings and perhaps face a stretch of unemployment. Netflix terminated me after three months of work with only three weeks left to shoot, and I have as yet to be fully remunerated for my services. Most importantly, my reputation has been tarnished.
These indignities are, to my mind, the real definition of unacceptable behavior.
Cancel culture is the antithesis of democracy. It inhibits conversation and debate. It limits our ability to listen, mediate, and exchange opposing views. Most tragically, it annihilates moral judgment.
This is not fair. This is not just. This is not American.
Frank Langella
May 5, 2022
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 6, 2022 18:26:18 GMT
why do I hear that in his Nixon voice? Intimacy coordinators are there FOR A REASON -- to make sure the performers onset feel safe enough to do their job. Langella by his own admission went against what had been blocked by the intimacy coordinator with everyone's safety in mind because of "instinct and spontaneity". He violated that trust (again, by his own admission) and then doubled down and is still doubling down. That's why he was fired so promptly. There was nothing to investigate, he fucked up. This just reads like the words of a bitter old man who doesn't want to change his behavior.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 6, 2022 18:33:04 GMT
and Netflix was right to say intent doesn't matter. It doesn't. At all. Obviously they're thinking about it from the perspective of their corporate bottom line but it doesn't matter in any professional context when it comes to harassment or sexual misconduct. Langella isn't entitled to dictate what his female coworkers should or shouldn't be offended by. And who the fuck still uses pet names for female coworkers in 2022? Oh yea... old white guys.
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Post by Barbie on May 7, 2022 11:24:53 GMT
It should be noted that this is only his side, and I bet he minimized and dismissed what really happened to gain sympathy and have people go “This too far! He got fired for touching someone’s leg?!”
It’s funny how even his own version is incriminating. He admits he did not follow what was agreed upon and consented to and even said that he thought what the intimacy coordinator said was “absurd”. Well maybe if you followed their directions, you wouldn’t have been fired?? All these arrogant assholes whining about how MeToo is a witch-hunt and stuff don’t get that intimacy coordinators are now there to avoid this type of situation. But they ignore it and then whine about being cancelled
Actors get told where to stand, what to wear, what to say, etc. all the time. Actors also choreograph scenes like fight scenes all the time. His stupid ass has no problem with being told what to do there, but he wants to play the victim when he’s told “no you can’t touch your castmate’s body in an intimate way”. Suddenly he cares about spontaneity. Lol ok
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Post by wattsnew on May 13, 2022 22:51:36 GMT
Langella is a relic of the past. You can’t sexually assault women anymore and get away with it, and he can’t seem to fathom this fact. One of the most outrageously tone deaf pieces I’ve ever read.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 12, 2023 16:36:56 GMT
resurrecting this thread like a vengeful killer ghost
cool trailer! Shows a bit too much plot but the plot looks intriguing. Definitely not your dad's House of Usher
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Post by Pavan on Sept 15, 2023 9:27:32 GMT
Flanagan needs to stop using the same actors again and again. Its different when a director repeats an actor or two but to reuse a whole set of actors again and again makes the experience distracting.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Oct 14, 2023 22:56:06 GMT
why do I hear that in his Nixon voice? Intimacy coordinators are there FOR A REASON -- to make sure the performers onset feel safe enough to do their job. Langella by his own admission went against what had been blocked by the intimacy coordinator with everyone's safety in mind because of "instinct and spontaneity". He violated that trust (again, by his own admission) and then doubled down and is still doubling down. That's why he was fired so promptly. There was nothing to investigate, he fucked up. This just reads like the words of a bitter old man who doesn't want to change his behavior. He touched a leg. Big fucking whoop! This pathetic braindead #CancelCulture lunacy is why the left is LOSING the culture wars (to the detriment of the rest of sane society that doesn't want the demonic right to take over). History will judge you properly as morons.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Oct 14, 2023 22:57:37 GMT
and Netflix was right to say intent doesn't matter. It doesn't. At all. Obviously they're thinking about it from the perspective of their corporate bottom line but it doesn't matter in any professional context when it comes to harassment or sexual misconduct. Langella isn't entitled to dictate what his female coworkers should or shouldn't be offended by. And who the fuck still uses pet names for female coworkers in 2022? Oh yea... old white guys. He didn't commit sexual harassment or sexual misconduct. Not BY A LONG SHOT. Period, end of.
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Post by ibbi on Oct 15, 2023 10:35:11 GMT
The Midnight Club was fucking awful, and while Bly Manor was not bad, it paled in comparison to Hill House and I was not up for him repeating the trick of trying to blend different stories together.
Thankfully, this works out much better. The worst thing about it is that I thought the first 5 episodes are (while well-made) the kind of banal eat-the-rich stuff that is being overdone to the point of being yawn-inducing (also, there's something up with T'Nia Miller's voice that irritates the hell out of me).
Thankfully, I think it picks up MASSIVELY in the last 3 episodes and comes home strong. Flanagan ties it all together beautifully in the end, Henry Thomas is amazing, Samantha Sloyan (who I never thought I'd be able to bear again after Midnight Mass) was amazing, and all the flashback stuff suddenly starts to boost the rest of it all up in a major way.
I love Bruce Greenwood, but I never thought he'd have the gravitas to replace Langella, but the key is the VOICE, and boy does he have the voice for this.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 22, 2023 14:09:18 GMT
I don't want to engage in needless hyperbole, but Bruce Greenwood may have delivered one of the all-time great screen monologues (about Lemons, no less) on this show. I think it's up there with Alec Baldwin's " Always Be Closing" monologue in Glengarry Glen Ross, but more relevant to now.
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Post by forksforest on Oct 26, 2023 4:32:54 GMT
I’m only 2 episodes in but I’m getting whiplash from these various oddball family members that don’t feel like a family whatsoever. Their idiosyncrasies and family disputes (btwn the siblings) doesn’t feel real… but it is early days. I don’t really mind that he casts the same actors.
I really think Haunting of Hill House was his peak, in terms of atmosphere, pacing/plot, and cast. Midnight Mass was alright, with quite a few blimps in the storyline, and Usher I feel the cast is just not it for me - everyone juts out in weird but different ways.
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Post by ibbi on Oct 26, 2023 9:55:03 GMT
I’m only 2 episodes in but I’m getting whiplash from these various oddball family members that don’t feel like a family whatsoever. Their idiosyncrasies and family disputes (btwn the siblings) doesn’t feel real… but it is early days. I don’t really mind that he casts the same actors. I really think Haunting of Hill House was his peak, in terms of atmosphere, pacing/plot, and cast. Midnight Mass was alright, with quite a few blimps in the storyline, and Usher I feel the cast is just not it for me - everyone juts out in weird but different ways. Nothing he's done since Hill House has come close to Hill House, but give or take Midnight Mass this is definitely the best one since then. Granted. that's not saying much, but I definitely think this is worth sticking with for its back half.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 29, 2023 19:46:29 GMT
not me over here preferring Bly Manor to Hill House and thinking Midnight Mass is far and away the best thing he's ever done first episode into this, I'm totally hooked. The family members are varying shades of annoying but their sociopathic narcissism and out of touch-ness is the point. I'm not getting whiplash at all, at least not yet. It's clear this family has been pieced together by multiple marriages/partnerships over the years and that fact combined with their unbelievable privilege and self-obsession disconnects them from each other. What makes them feel like a family (particularly *this* family) is that they're all assholes on their own little islands. I may feel differently later because I'm only one ep in but that's where I stand now. And Greenwood... oh my god that VOICE. And the framing device of this court case paralleling his children's death, and this interview format, and Carla Gugino, and Mark Hamill, and the New York Gothic aesthetic, and that raven, and the endless stream of Poe references... I'm already loving this and preparing myself (fingers crossed) to again shout from the rooftops that Flanagan is the reigning king of horror. My hopes are incredibly high going forward.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 31, 2023 4:56:17 GMT
just finished episode 2. Even beyond the constant stream of Poe references which I am loving, that ending was face-meltingly shocking even when you know what's coming. Mike you beautiful sick bastard.
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Post by Pavan on Dec 17, 2023 18:52:09 GMT
I'm four episodes into it. Took some time to get me into the proceedings but it got engaging, occasionally creepy and I'm interested in seeing where this goes. Bruce Greenwood and Kate Siegel were the standouts for me so far.
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Post by Pavan on Dec 20, 2023 19:14:43 GMT
I'm four episodes into it. Took some time to get me into the proceedings but it got engaging, occasionally creepy and I'm interested in seeing where this goes. Bruce Greenwood and Kate Siegel were the standouts for me so far. the next episode weren't exactly a major improvement but they were solid and the last half and hour or so were peak. Gugino, Greenwood and Hamil brought their game. The visuals were dark, moody and pretty effective. Mostly solid tv but not on the level of Hill House or even Bly Manor.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 20, 2023 19:47:43 GMT
this was probably my favorite Flanagan miniseries behind Midnight Mass and definitely his meanest and scariest. Having been used to his sympathetic trauma-ridden protagonists battling inner demons but basically trying their best, it was genuinely a treat watching Flanagan get to populate this series with irredeemable sociopathic assholes and killing them off gruesomely one by one. His horror has always been character-based and rooted in family trauma and that was the case here too, but the repetitive formula of highlighting each of these evil little shits and giving them their sadistic poetic justice adds a layer to the horror we don't usually see from Flanagan. There are several moments in this that are fantastically and unapologetically fucked-up.
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