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Post by futuretrunks on Oct 31, 2021 0:59:45 GMT
Dude seems to be making good choices. Beautiful Boy/The King/Rainy Day in NY/etc. didn't work so well, but Little Women was excellent (and he was good in it), Dune is a quasi triumph that just also provided some box-office clout and cultural cachet for him, I just saw French Dispatch and he was fine in it (another solid film on his resume), and then we have a Guadagnino film coming, Don't Look Up in a few weeks, Wonka on the horizon. I don't think another young actor/actress is flexing remotely like this. Saoirse seems like she might be a victim of never really being the focal point of a "big film", Anya Taylor-Joy is on the rise but hardly matches Chalamet's film resume so far, Pugh is in a pretty good place, but Black Widow underperformed, Tom Holland can't seem to transition into meaty dramatic films despite possibly still having much of his Impossible-era talent still with him, Lucas Hedges appears to have become completely irrelevant, etc.
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Post by stephen on Oct 31, 2021 3:31:50 GMT
I've said before that what Chalamet really needed was his DiCaprio-esque turning point. By which I mean, the role or project or career trajectory that turned him from an arthouse darling or the heartthrob idol to a favorite among the "bro crowd." Dune shows great promise there, but the second film really is where Paul's complexity really comes to the fore. But if he can nail it there, then yeah, I imagine his legacy is pretty well secured.
I'm not overly thrilled with a lot of the performances he's given up to this point and still consider him to be overrated (and I think Beautiful Boy is a ruinous turn that shows he does carry a lot of limitations, although those may be massaged out of him as he gets older), but his ambition and his selectivity is impressive so far. I wouldn't rate him as the premiere talent of his generation, but he's fast-tracking himself along quicker than a lot of his peers.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 31, 2021 3:56:48 GMT
Way too early to claim his "legacy is secured " even if Dune 2 works out for him. He's the great white hope of Hollywood movie stardom for his generation. And Dune isn't being sold on him as a franchise. Zendaya was probably a bigger selling point for the first film in terms of bringing her audiences to the table. Even Willy Wonka is an established property that won't need him to do well. Almost all the "real movie stars" right now are well over 40 (barring the possible exception of Michael B Jordan). So Chalamet will get all the opportunities and then some. He'll be allowed to fail and flop many times over (like Depp, Pitt, Damon etc) because that's how it goes for male stars of his race whom the industry is invested in becoming a longterm superstar.
But movie stardom isn't what it used to be, and it's very unclear whether he can truly become a A-list box office draw like Depp in his post-Pirates peak, or DiCaprio etc. Or more likely, he will continue to exist as a media hyped "star" (like Robert Pattinson and many others) who don't necessarily move the needle outside of their teenage girl Tumblr fanbase. So yeah, hard to tell. He may probably fall into that grey area where he isn't exactly a superstar draw, but is just allowed to carry a lot of movies anyway (ie Jake Gyllenhaal and Ryan Gosling).
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 31, 2021 4:08:05 GMT
I'll also add, that we probably not yet have seen the biggest generational talent (s) from Chalamet 's generation. He is only 25 years old, which is still very young. I can easily see bigger (and potentially more bankable)talents within his generation emerging in their early to mid 30's. Chalamet, like Hedges is just fortunate to have made his breakthrough at a relatively young age. |
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Post by countjohn on Oct 31, 2021 4:18:34 GMT
I think film buffs dramatically overestimate how well known Chalamet is with the GP. Dune is probably the first a lot of people are hearing of him. And while Dune is doing well for the post pandemic BO it is hardly a "phenomenon" type movie. Since people are so insistent on comparing him to DiCaprio this is not remotely comparable to Titanic. The only movies nowadays that are that big are superhero movies and Star Wars, and I don't see Chalamet getting either one of those, especially with Spider Man apparently being locked down for a while. Guys with Chalamet's physical profile used to be able to hit it big in romance movies (like Leo did with Titanic) but those aren't anywhere near as commercially viable as they used to be without some kind of high concept action element, and Chalamet is not an action star.
So I see him going more the Gosling/Phoenix rout and getting leads in prestige awards drama and every so often dipping his toe into the mainstream when he gets a part that suits him like he's doing now with Dune. He's not going to become a DiCaprio/Depp/Pitt type superstar, if it's even possible to become one in today's movie climate.
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Post by franklin on Oct 31, 2021 11:28:26 GMT
By the time he turns 30, Hollywood will have no idea what the hell to do with him.
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Post by jakesully on Oct 31, 2021 21:30:31 GMT
Way too early to predict imo but he definitely must have one of the best agents in Hollywood (he keeps getting really good/meaty roles). He is so frail, scrawny looking so I am sorta baffled by his cult following. IMO he needs to start doing some weight lifting ASAP lol. Keep in mind I honestly really liked him as Paul in DUNE and couldn't picture any other young actor in that role.
That being said, as someone else mentioned in this thread Chalamet's fan base is so exaggerated on social media and the internet in general. He isn't in the same stratosphere as Leo was during Leo Mania (during his Titanic fame). Never say never of course but I just don't see another actor coming close to that popularity anytime soon.
Chamalet's career is absolutely going great and I can't wait to see him in DUNE Part Two
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Post by dazed on Oct 31, 2021 22:52:42 GMT
I feel like he’s going to be one of the greats of his generation. His resume for being only 25 is pretty superb, and it’s going on steady incline.
Dude seems super chill, down to earth, and easy to get along with, which will only help with his career.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 1, 2021 0:13:08 GMT
I'll also add, that we probably not yet have seen the biggest generational talent (s) from Chalamet 's generation. He is only 25 years old, which is still very young. I can easily see bigger (and potentially more bankable)talents within his generation emerging in their early to mid 30's. Chalamet, like Hedges is just fortunate to have made his breakthrough at a relatively young age. Yeah, and like Hedges he comes from an extremely wealthy background, so even if he stars in a "flop, or a huge disaster", he has a lot of things he can fall back on. So far he seems to be picking his projects extremely well, although I'm sure he has a lot of good options and choices as well. Being one of the top young names in Hollywood has its advantages after all. |
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Post by futuretrunks on Nov 1, 2021 0:55:45 GMT
I'll also add, that we probably not yet have seen the biggest generational talent (s) from Chalamet 's generation. He is only 25 years old, which is still very young. I can easily see bigger (and potentially more bankable)talents within his generation emerging in their early to mid 30's. Chalamet, like Hedges is just fortunate to have made his breakthrough at a relatively young age. Yeah, and like Hedges he comes from an extremely wealthy background, so even if he stars in a "flop, or a huge disaster", he has a lot of things he can fall back on. So far he seems to be picking his projects extremely well, although I'm sure he has a lot of good options and choices as well. Being one of the top young names in Hollywood has its advantages after all. Neither Chalamet nor Hedges come from an "extremely wealthy" background; they are not Nicola Peltz. They certainly weren't using food stamps, but that description is a bit much. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 1, 2021 2:45:15 GMT
Yeah, and like Hedges he comes from an extremely wealthy background, so even if he stars in a "flop, or a huge disaster", he has a lot of things he can fall back on. So far he seems to be picking his projects extremely well, although I'm sure he has a lot of good options and choices as well. Being one of the top young names in Hollywood has its advantages after all. Neither Chalamet nor Hedges come from an "extremely wealthy" background; they are not Nicola Peltz. They certainly weren't using food stamps, but that description is a bit much. I don't mean they're super-rich, but both are very well-off, and neither was born from a middle-class background. Chamalet's mother was a successful real-estate broker, and his father was a French editor and New York correspondent. They managed to get into the industry in the first place in typical fashion because of connections. |
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Post by futuretrunks on Nov 28, 2023 23:28:31 GMT
Wonka is a clear W, it seems.
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Post by countjohn on Nov 29, 2023 4:20:09 GMT
He does seem to be jumping into any franchise part he can get his hands on where he's right for the part (Wonka and Dune) which is probably a good move for him to keep him relevant in between his niche stuff. As I have said before it's more the Joaquin Phoenix career path than Leo.
The Wonka movie looks unspeakably awful and I will not watch it under any circumstances but it's a sure hit.
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Post by futuretrunks on Nov 29, 2023 12:40:31 GMT
He does seem to be jumping into any franchise part he can get his hands on where he's right for the part (Wonka and Dune) which is probably a good move for him to keep him relevant in between his niche stuff. As I have said before it's more the Joaquin Phoenix career path than Leo. The Wonka movie looks unspeakably awful and I will not watch it under any circumstances but it's a sure hit. Chalamet seems more intent on trying to exclusively work with top directors than Joaquin did, which is a Leo trait. Already he has Villeneuve, Wes Anderson, Gerwig, McKay, Woody Allen, Guadagnino, a quasi cameo in a Nolan, etc. before age 30. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 29, 2023 12:53:51 GMT
Looks more like a Gyllenhaal than DiCap tbh - to me as of November 2023........
He has 20 some movies (?) and has been great once - DiCaprio was great 3 times in a row within his first 10 films and then he starred in Titanic ffs
I didn't even come fully onboard with DiCap until the 2010s but this idea that Chalamet or Austin Butler or Jonathan Majors are a "big deal" of talent atm is silly imo
Chalamet's best plus is in that he likes theater which gives him a seriousness of purpose and a kind of daring - but........ COVID cost him a chance to do theater opposite Eileen Atkins who has forgotten more about acting than Chalamet has - as of yet - shown.
The Dylan role will be a huge role because unlike Elvis you can't mannerism your way through all his (many, many) phases.......that role.....a real stretch.........a possible awards bait part............ and a character who is inscrutable irl and in the film portrayals OF him.......is the stuff that dreams are made on.......
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Post by futuretrunks on Nov 30, 2023 2:53:19 GMT
Wonka's actually a bigger W for Chalamet as an actor than it is as a movie, from what I can tell from the response so far. He seems to have successfully done something very different than anything previously in his stable, that also aligns with Paul King's whimsical whacky proclivities. If this makes Greatest Showman money and then Dune 2 is comparable to the first, he's in a good position.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Nov 30, 2023 4:19:39 GMT
Wonka's actually a bigger W for Chalamet as an actor than it is as a movie, from what I can tell from the response so far. He seems to have successfully done something very different than anything previously in his stable, that also aligns with Paul King's whimsical whacky proclivities. If this makes Greatest Showman money and then Dune 2 is comparable to the first, he's in a good position. This may end up being a win for Chalamet but maybe we should pump the breaks a tad on hyping up first reactions. Those things are designed to be mostly Film Twitter pundits and a few critics selected specifically because they are most likely to be favorable to the film on social media. First reactions is what had people saying The Flash was the best DC movie since The Dark Knight or that The Creator was a dark horse BP contender. |
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 1, 2023 1:30:35 GMT
Wonka's actually a bigger W for Chalamet as an actor than it is as a movie, from what I can tell from the response so far. He seems to have successfully done something very different than anything previously in his stable, that also aligns with Paul King's whimsical whacky proclivities. If this makes Greatest Showman money and then Dune 2 is comparable to the first, he's in a good position. This may end up being a win for Chalamet but maybe we should pump the breaks a tad on hyping up first reactions. Those things are designed to be mostly Film Twitter pundits and a few critics selected specifically because they are most likely to be favorable to the film on social media. First reactions is what had people saying The Flash was the best DC movie since The Dark Knight or that The Creator was a dark horse BP contender. It sounds likely that this will be at least in the 70s on RT, possibly into the 80s. Nobody's saying this is going to get reviews fully comparable to the Paddingtons. |
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 16, 2023 5:06:10 GMT
Wonka is bad.  Jesus christ. A 40% on RT would be more deserving. |
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Jesus christ. A 40% on RT would be more deserving. 