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Post by dazed on Oct 6, 2021 0:50:21 GMT
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Post by urbanpatrician on Oct 6, 2021 1:26:46 GMT
A lot of people have complained about that Rilo Kiley score. Mostly indie rock guys in the early 00s. While it's a lower key and less heard album than their 2 albums that followed, nobody thought it deserved a 4.0 - it was a really cool and original work and it's definitely not considered crap by the fans. Also, their following album The Execution of All Things lots of people thought was like the best indie pop album they've yet heard up until that point (2002), and they thought Pitchfork screwed them of at least a 9.0-9.2 rating. However it's a small minority of people because RK doesn't have enough fans to create a common consensus.
That Lana Del Rey album is probably her most listened to. It's still listened to a heck of A LOT even today. 5.5 is reserved for stuff no one gives a damn about, which Born to Die clearly is not. It's not the critics darling nor sounds like it, and maybe Lana Del Rey was considered trashy and not serious enough as an artist at the beginning. Hard to think of that now given Norman Fucking Rockwell is so embraced by the critics and felt kinda like the ultimate album.
In fact, what this list tells me is that Pitchfork are bad predictors. A lot of these albums they've changed their rating because people started giving a fuck about them. While I agree that nobody cares about that Liz Phair album (except maybe me) - 0.0 is ridiculous. That's Regina Spektor's most famous album, so obviously they had to change the score for that. And while I'm not familiar with Charli XCX I also think she's an example of someone whose clout has gotten stronger than when they first reviewed her stuff.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Oct 6, 2021 1:35:54 GMT
No one should take any ratings seriously, honestly.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 6, 2021 23:15:21 GMT
Couldn't be more apathetic about music ratings and scores either way. Can't imagine being upset about a critic review, especially since so much of it boils down to personal taste anyways.
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Post by countjohn on Oct 8, 2021 17:52:26 GMT
The whole idea of going back and redoing album ratings is chickenshit. That's the review you guys published, live with it, don't just go back and redo it to try and save face. On top of that, some of the rescores are contrarian crap. I love PJ Harvey even more than the next person, but Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea sucks. It sounds like it could be Sheryl Crow most the time (cue the "what's wrong with that" comments  ) . And I like some of her softer, poppier stuff, White Chalk and Let England Shake are good, this is just boring. One of those albums where I can't remember a single song from it half an hour after I listened to it. Then for the others, Room on Fire better than Is This It, I don't want whatever drugs you guys are on. Also docking Random Access Memories two points because lame artists copied it doesn't make any sense. That's not Daft Punk's fault, it's still a really good album. In short, fuck Pitchfork. A lot of the old scores here reminded me of when they were cool and actually had strong opinions instead of kissing big artist's asses to get interviews. |
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Oct 9, 2021 3:09:23 GMT
Pitchfork has always been about what or who is fashionable to like or dislike in the current climate more than the music. I stopped looking to them for reviews since that era where The Strokes were getting their little moment in the sun ended.
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Post by ingmarhepburn on Oct 11, 2021 0:32:44 GMT
A lot of people have complained about that Rilo Kiley score. Mostly indie rock guys in the early 00s. While it's a lower key and less heard album than their 2 albums that followed, nobody thought it deserved a 4.0 - it was a really cool and original work and it's definitely not considered crap by the fans. Also, their following album The Execution of All Things lots of people thought was like the best indie pop album they've yet heard up until that point (2002), and they thought Pitchfork screwed them of at least a 9.0-9.2 rating. However it's a small minority of people because RK doesn't have enough fans to create a common consensus. That Lana Del Rey album is probably her most listened to. It's still listened to a heck of A LOT even today. 5.5 is reserved for stuff no one gives a damn about, which Born to Die clearly is not. It's not the critics darling nor sounds like it, and maybe Lana Del Rey was considered trashy and not serious enough as an artist at the beginning. Hard to think of that now given Norman Fucking Rockwell is so embraced by the critics and felt kinda like the ultimate album.
In fact, what this list tells me is that Pitchfork are bad predictors. A lot of these albums they've changed their rating because people started giving a fuck about them. While I agree that nobody cares about that Liz Phair album (except maybe me) - 0.0 is ridiculous. That's Regina Spektor's most famous album, so obviously they had to change the score for that. And while I'm not familiar with Charli XCX I also think she's an example of someone whose clout has gotten stronger than when they first reviewed her stuff. I think Born to Die is an amazing album (pretty sure I voted for it as one of the 25 best albums of the last decade when we did a poll here). Funnily enough, I couldn't get into any of her subsequent stuff, including the much celebrated Norman Fucking Rockwell. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 11, 2021 9:44:35 GMT
Well you know, when you pretend there are 5 albums PER DAY deserving to have a review, you're gonna make some mistakes huh? I almost never go back and raise an albums rating ......that's a trap and starfncking..........but there are several I rated too high initially...... In general if you review movies or music etc. you should at least love the Art form in general and try to err on the side of being too "nice" at first......that's the "Armond White" argument - ie that he hates what he does for a living etc. (arguable, I think it has some validity myself tbh) On this list I'm pretty surprised that they didn't "re-rate" obscure, now forgotten, rap "artiste" "Kanye West" and his 808s & Heartbreak - which got a 7.6 and is precisely the kind of record that was hard to read in its time - and is maybe ripe for a complete reappraisal within his own catalog and when it came out - certainly much more than that positively shitty Liz Phair album jumping 6 points (!?! GTFO) on it's "re-review" ...........you were closer to "right" the first time there $hitfork.....  |
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Post by themoviesinner on Oct 11, 2021 18:05:19 GMT
I almost never go back and raise an albums rating ......that's a trap and starfncking..........but there are several I rated too high initially...... I find it strange that you would say something like that. I mean there are albums that don't require much thought and you can easily figure them out with one spin only, and those are the vast majority, but there are also albums that are very hard to get into, that you initially find boring or unusual or whatever, but with a few more listens you warm up to then and can finally appreciate them and become your favorites. I can give you a lot of examples, most of them from Metal music (hugely acclaimed bands like Neurosis or Moonsorrow for example are very hard to get into, especially for someone unfamiliar with their style, the same can be said about Black Metal as well, which is a very niche subgenre, doesn't mean that one can't grow into liking them, something that happened to me). But to give you examples fromRock Music as well, albums like Loveless by My Bloody Valentine or Welcome To Sky Valley by Kyuss are the type of works that probably won't hook most people from the start but grow on them over time as they are definitely not one would call "easy" listens. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 11, 2021 18:23:40 GMT
I almost never go back and raise an albums rating ......that's a trap and starfncking..........but there are several I rated too high initially...... I find it strange that you would say something like that. I mean there are albums that don't require much thought and you can easily figure them out with one spin only, and those are the vast majority, but there are also albums that are very hard to get into, that you initially find boring or unusual or whatever, but with a few more listens you warm up to then and can finally appreciate them and become your favorites. I can give you a lot of examples, most of them from Metal music (hugely acclaimed bands like Neurosis or Moonsorrow for example are very hard to get into, especially for someone unfamiliar with their style, the same can be said about Black Metal as well, which is a very niche subgenre, doesn't mean that one can't grow into liking them, something that happened to me). But to give you examples fromRock Music as well, albums like Loveless by My Bloody Valentine or Welcome To Sky Valley by Kyuss are the type of works that probably won't hook most people from the start but grow on them over time as they are definitely not one would call "easy" listens. Oh definitely - perhaps I didn't express that very well - I simply don't "rate" an album I'm unsure of personally - I might say "I'm working through it" or something like that until I eventually settle on my own personal POV. There are some bands that certainly baffled me at first and won me over to a certain extent - early Cocteau Twins were one example......but in general with me it's the other way - something that I gave a too lenient pass to that I then kick my own ass about.  Of course a tangent of this is that many Rock albums (and its subgenres) can't "really" be reviewed on merely 1 listen anyway and they are doing a disservice to the album by doing that .......I'm sure we've all read a review or talked to someone where we were like "Did they even listen to this record?" - and that often comes from a cursory "one and done" listen....... |
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) . And I like some of her softer, poppier stuff, White Chalk and Let England Shake are good, this is just boring. One of those albums where I can't remember a single song from it half an hour after I listened to it. 
