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Post by no on Apr 7, 2017 16:02:46 GMT
Yes, Alien is really good, too, Duell looks really good and I've heard good things about Thelma and Louise. However that's just not enough for me to justify the acclaim he is usually attributed. Ehhh, Thelma and Louise kind of blows, The Duellists has gotten its fair share of acclaim but I don't think it's anything to write home about. Prometheus is pretty good.
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Post by thelistenercanon on Apr 7, 2017 23:09:19 GMT
Well, there's also Mission: Impossible but that was good but last two sequels were way better. Sisters was okay. I'm sure there's more but I can't think of anything other than 4. 1. Carlito's Way 2. Phantom of the Paradise 3. Blow Out 4. Dressed to Kill 5. Femme Fatale It's the wrong De Palma you've been watching. The fact you're telling me what films to watch or not does not invalidate my opinion. The fact that I dislike two of his most popular films says enough for me. For the record, it's been awhile since I saw Blow Out and it was good I guess, but I would rather watch Blow Up from Michaelangelo Antonioni. Plus Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, and the rest of the Yardbirds cameo FTW. And the rest, I've seen snippets but not enough for me to watch a whole film. As I said before, I don't like the fact he uses the Hitchcock style of filming. I feel like he can't identity himself so he steals or borrows from others. You can disagree all you want, but I have no interest in seeing more of his films to be honest. If those are considered two of his best films, I don't want to know what are his weaker films.
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Post by tobias on Apr 8, 2017 16:00:09 GMT
1. Carlito's Way 2. Phantom of the Paradise 3. Blow Out 4. Dressed to Kill 5. Femme Fatale It's the wrong De Palma you've been watching. The fact you're telling me what films to watch or not does not invalidate my opinion. The fact that I dislike two of his most popular films says enough for me. For the record, it's been awhile since I saw Blow Out and it was good I guess, but I would rather watch Blow Up from Michaelangelo Antonioni. Plus Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, and the rest of the Yardbirds cameo FTW. And the rest, I've seen snippets but not enough for me to watch a whole film. As I said before, I don't like the fact he uses the Hitchcock style of filming. I feel like he can't identity himself so he steals or borrows from others. You can disagree all you want, but I have no interest in seeing more of his films to be honest. If those are considered two of his best films, I don't want to know what are his weaker films. Well, after watching Scarface and The Untouchables I thought he was an absolute hack and now he is my favorite of the new Hollywood directors and one of my favorite directors in general.
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Post by magdafr on Apr 8, 2017 17:41:04 GMT
Paul Thomas Anderson.
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Post by Pavan on Apr 8, 2017 17:56:50 GMT
Good that no one mentioned Hitchcock
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 18:13:38 GMT
Good that no one mentioned Hitchcock I think he's a bit overrated, but I've only seen a few of his films so far.
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Post by chris3 on Apr 8, 2017 23:04:59 GMT
Almost half of David Fincher's filmography is downright terrible (Alien 3, The Game, Panic Room, The Curious Case Of Benjamin Button), and I'm also not a huge fan of Fight Club or The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo (outside of Mara's spectacular performance). He's made some legitimately great films (Se7en, Zodiac, The Social Network), but I don't think he deserves to be counted among the best modern directors. Not by a long shot. His movies live or die by their scripts, as Fincher always directs them in the same sleek, cold, music video style. He's no master storyteller, he just knows how to capture pristine shots (that he then goes to over-filter in post).
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Post by speeders on Apr 8, 2017 23:17:57 GMT
Richard Linklater is the first name that comes to mind.
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Post by ingmarhepburn on Apr 9, 2017 22:35:17 GMT
The Coen brothers Paul Thomas Anderson Stanley Kubrick Christopher Nolan
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Post by eliuson on Apr 15, 2017 18:47:29 GMT
James Gray Xavier Dolan Steven Spielberg Ridley Scott Woody Allen (his latest films are downright awful) Quentin Tarantino Christopher Nolan Paul Verhoeven (Elle is his worst film) Richard Linklater
Denis Villeneuve (he hasn't made a single decent film)
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Post by no on Apr 16, 2017 0:53:39 GMT
Denis Villeneuve (he hasn't made a single decent film)
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Post by angel on Apr 16, 2017 10:46:19 GMT
J.J. Abrams Tarantino (post Jackie Brown)
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Post by eliuson on Apr 16, 2017 16:53:07 GMT
Denis Villeneuve (he hasn't made a single decent film) Yes
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Post by urbanpatrician on Sept 14, 2018 11:04:54 GMT
Going up-and-down the main list:
Orson Welles John Ford Akira Kurosawa Billy Wilder Howard Hawks Fritz Lang --- (no idea how he has mass appeal and gets 2 films ranked in the IMDB top 110. Does Metropolis have average film buff's appeal?)
Sergio Leone Douglas Sirk Sidney Lumet Bong Joon-ho --- (The Host I remember as a laughable attempt at the monster genre, Snowpiercer is so tepidly dull and he makes Tilda Swinton be at her most disinteresting which is some feat)
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Post by LaraQ on Sept 14, 2018 11:32:26 GMT
Sofia Coppola.
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Post by oneflyr on Sept 14, 2018 15:49:03 GMT
Going up-and-down the main list: Orson Welles John Ford Akira Kurosawa Billy Wilder Howard Hawks Fritz Lang --- (no idea how he has mass appeal and gets 2 films ranked in the IMDB top 110. Does Metropolis have average film buff's appeal?) Sergio Leone Douglas Sirk Sidney Lumet Bong Joon-ho --- (The Host I remember as a laughable attempt at the monster genre, Snowpiercer is so tepidly dull and he makes Tilda Swinton be at her most disinteresting which is some feat) fritz lang is great. have you seen scarlet street and fury??
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Post by moonman157 on Sept 14, 2018 15:54:35 GMT
Going up-and-down the main list: John Ford Bro.
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Post by stephen on Sept 14, 2018 16:05:27 GMT
Going up-and-down the main list: John Ford Bro. Yeah, that one hurts. Ford and Wyler really don't get the respect nowadays that they really should for being so versatile and top-notch in damn near every genre they tackled. I'd argue they should certainly be as respected as Hitch.
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Post by oneflyr on Sept 14, 2018 17:21:19 GMT
fritz lang is great. have you seen scarlet street and fury?? oneflyr - I don't think so. I've heard some people say good things about the former though. But it's film-noir, so there's how that goes. The people who did movies that were kinda film-noirs but not really film-noirs are the only ones saving that *beep* formulaic genre. Bogart, Hitchcock, and some others. Fritz is definitely the one I'm least confident about here. It's about how little I know of him. His filmography doesn't look like anything I'm too interested in. My opinion is mostly based on M (though I've definitely seen others), but then maybe I just lumped it together with the film-noir genre and can't see how it stands out above a pretty decent thriller. And watching 30s movies featuring some town mobs is just..... I dunno... trope-y. moonman157 stephen - Sorry, guys. But I'm trying. I've even checked out The Searchers (for next week).... trying to digest him a little. His movies can be solid dramas, and there's a sense of bygone-era in his films for sure, but I don't think he does enough great things to deserve the high rankings that he sometimes get. I usually don't hear him talked about a lot, but my list is based on browsing theyshootpictures from 1 to 100. scarlet street definitely fits the 'film noir but not quite' label if that helps, and it's also a really great film with a very (surprisingly) dark, pessimistic outcome for its time. i wasn't much of a fan either before seeing this and fury
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Post by moonman157 on Sept 14, 2018 18:24:25 GMT
Yeah, that one hurts. Ford and Wyler really don't get the respect nowadays that they really should for being so versatile and top-notch in damn near every genre they tackled. I'd argue they should certainly be as respected as Hitch. Haven't seen enough Wyler to make that call but the few I've seen range from very good to all-time. I think Ford is pretty popular in academic circles but it's true that in the popular realm he seems to be viewed as out of fashion or something. It would not be difficult to make the case that he's one of, if not the, greatest American director of all-time.
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Post by stephen on Sept 14, 2018 18:27:23 GMT
Yeah, that one hurts. Ford and Wyler really don't get the respect nowadays that they really should for being so versatile and top-notch in damn near every genre they tackled. I'd argue they should certainly be as respected as Hitch. Haven't seen enough Wyler to make that call but the few I've seen range from very good to all-time. I think Ford is pretty popular in academic circles but it's true that in the popular realm he seems to be viewed as out of fashion or something. It would not be difficult to make the case that he's one of, if not the, greatest American director of all-time. He's certainly up there. People to this day are still cribbing from him, and you can make the argument that the final shot of The Searchers is the greatest final shot of all time. Wyler was probably the best actor's director of his time, and probably would rate highly in the all-time pantheon there. Ford was much more a visualist, but they both could do what the other excelled at quite well.
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Post by chris3 on Sept 14, 2018 18:49:22 GMT
The obvious answer here is Christopher Nolan. I LOVED Dunkirk and I'll always have a soft spot for The Dark Knight (I grew up reading Batman comics, so naturally that film was a gift from the heavens back in 2008), but the chasm between his actual talent and his God-like reputation is just VAST. Also Inception is the most overrated film of the decade by a mile, but that has more to do with its abysmal screenplay as opposed to its competent (but unremarkable) visual direction. Everyone rightfully called him out for the trainwreck Rises and the hilariously sappy Interstellar, but I cannot understand how people still think Inception is some sort of masterwork.
And even though I love some of his films, I think Fincher is a very shallow director. His style is too slick, too flashy, too MTV for my tastes. His visual sensibilities rarely service the script (with Se7en and Zodiac huge exceptions). He just takes a script and applies the "Fincher filter" over it (i.e. DI'd out the ass, making everything look like a luxury car commercial). When he gets a good script it ends up being a good movie (Social Network), but when he gets a bad script he does absolutely nothing to save it (Benjamin Button).
But my absolute, number one choice here is Clint Eastwood. Everyone likes to pile onto Ron Howard for being a bland, safe journeyman, but honestly Ron Howard looks like Stanley Kubrick compared to Eastwood's insanely boring, banal, movie-of-the-week "style". EVERY SINGLE Clint Eastwood film I've seen is ruined by his banal direction. He's the ultimate example of how critics grade actors-turned-directors on a curve (Ben Affleck being another one). Not only do his films have the technical personality of your basic Hollywood hack, oftentimes the craftsmanship is flat-out AWFUL. Eastwood was a great cowboy in the Leone movies, but he is and always has been a TERRIBLE director. I hate his stuff. ALL of it. F*** Clint Eastwood.
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Post by stephen on Sept 14, 2018 18:52:05 GMT
But my absolute, number one choice here is Clint Eastwood. Everyone likes to pile onto Ron Howard for being a bland, safe journeyman, but honestly Ron Howard looks like Stanley Kubrick compared to Eastwood's insanely boring, banal, movie-of-the-week "style". EVERY SINGLE Clint Eastwood film I've seen is ruined by his banal direction. He's the ultimate example of how critics grade actors-turned-directors on a curve (Ben Affleck being another one). Not only do his films have the technical personality of your basic Hollywood hack, oftentimes the craftsmanship is flat-out AWFUL. Eastwood was a great cowboy in the Leone movies, but he is and always has been a TERRIBLE director. I hate his stuff. ALL of it. F*** Clint Eastwood.
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Post by chris3 on Sept 14, 2018 18:54:41 GMT
Is that gif from Gran Torino? Yeah that movie was directed like a subpar Lifetime movie from 1993. He's THE WORST.
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Post by stephen on Sept 14, 2018 18:56:32 GMT
Is that gif from Gran Torino? Yeah that movie was directed like a subpar Lifetime movie from 1993. He's THE WORST. "I'll see you in hell, chris3." "... Yeah."
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