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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 3, 2021 8:56:56 GMT
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 3, 2021 11:00:09 GMT
Well, even as someone who loves his work, I’d believe he had the capacity to have a really bad temper. But to risk his career & reputation by intentionally assaulting an elderly woman, I’m not so sure. I'd like to believe it’s not true but then again,I have little faith in celebrities these days.I'm reserving judgment until there is more context.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 11:21:23 GMT
oh well this is disappointing
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 3, 2021 11:40:25 GMT
This is an interesting story in at least 3 ways to me:
First, he's the actor with maybe the biggest upside.......like......maybe.....ever in some ways.
I've said this before but he'll have 3 or 4 Oscar nods by 40 and that may be understating it - he already has 6 Triple Crown nods which is a lot at 36 - that IS an all time pace even - I've said this before he could win the male Triple Crown and do it very young (Pacino was 63, he could conceivably obliterate that) - he has very high career stakes.
Second, he'll be in Europe in a few weeks shooting Gucci so this likely won't die and he'll have to respond.
But third, unlike other charges - ie LaBeouf, Spacey etc. - when I hear this - I just hear "Adam Driver is mean" which may or may not be true, but isn't the same as people being charged with sexual assault or things like that. I mean Laurence Olivier literally knocked Maggie Smith out onstage on purpose.........it wasn't nice but .....this thing about actors being saints or nice guys is a little ridiculous in this era.
But will be interesting to see how things play out.....
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Post by flasuss on Feb 3, 2021 11:52:48 GMT
Assaulting someone with a chair isn't just being mean, particularly when it's an old lady- though, of course, I'm reserving judgement until I hear more.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 3, 2021 12:05:28 GMT
Assaulting someone with a chair isn't just being mean, particularly when it's an old lady- though, of course, I'm reserving judgement until I hear more. Yeah, she described what he allegedly did to her as "criminal" and "assault". I mean, it's not out of the bounds of believability. Lots of actors have short fuses, but it can get hushed up. Ezra Miller got caught choking a girl on camera and that's been all but swept under the carpet because Warner Brothers doesn't want to recast Fantastic Beasts or their Flash movie. I expect some English language publications will be in contact with Franco to get more of her story.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 3, 2021 12:06:10 GMT
Assaulting someone with a chair isn't just being mean, particularly when it's an old lady- though, of course, I'm reserving judgement until I hear more. It's not just being mean, no, but I said more than that also - it occurred in their workplace if it occurred at all which makes it different which was my point. It's a different thing than other charges we've usually heard is all I'm saying - it's not like LaBeouf and Spacey - as I said in my post and I gave the Olivier/Smith comparison , I too am reserving judgement until I too hear more........obviously, yes, of course.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 3, 2021 13:06:47 GMT
As an aside, how on earth did Driver get away with giving this stage performance in Look Back In Anger? He's playing a Welshman with something resembling an Irish accent by way of the Lucky Charms Leprachaun . I'm shocked Matthew Rhys wasn't laughing his head off in their scenes together, since he's an actual Welshman. I guess since he did it in New York few people could ascertain the difference, but if he'd given that performance in the UK/West End, he'd have been roundly slaughtered.
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Post by morton on Feb 3, 2021 13:41:23 GMT
Ugh time to find a new favorite, This was inevitable in that generally celebrities will let you down in some way even when they seem “normal”, but I didn’t expect anything like this. I could totally believe he’s a diva/asshole with what happened with NPR, although I let it slide, and code talk about how he can be “moody”. So I was expecting like the thing she said about people not looking him in the eyes because that seems to be a go to dick move (Tom Cruise, etc.) when certain actors reach a certain point, but this is just way beyond that.
Hopefully he publicly and sincerely apologizes especially as this could affect the charity he started which I believe he had good intentions about which is to help those that are or were in the military channel their emotions in a positive way,
If he doesn’t unfortunately it probably won’t have much effect if he doesn’t say anything, He is doing Gucci soon as pacinoyes pointed out, and will have to do a lot of promotion for Annette at Cannes, but the industry being the industry I don’t think it will hurt him that much if at all especially if he sticks to mostly supporting roles in big movies and bigger roles in smaller movies.
Finally, to address the last post, yeah he shouldn’t really attempt accents. Or maybe do a post-dub thing if he does attempt it.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 3, 2021 13:54:56 GMT
Finally, to address the last post, yeah he shouldn’t really attempt accents. Or maybe do a post-dub thing if he does attempt it. See, I think the exact opposite with him - part of the reason he's been tapped as THE guy is because he is willing to try anything - we already talked about about how his upcoming movies are across all kinds of genres and periods and types......that's what separates him. He's one of those guys that got "big" or as big as he is by acting like a bigger deal than he really is at this point - almost all the GOAT contenders do that and if you don't you end up as merely great but not GREAT - it's a Brandoesque move - not comparing him to Brando (At all), but it's all about not playing it safe with him I think........to me he may do 4 bad accents in a row, and in the totality of a career it won't even matter.
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Post by LaraQ on Feb 3, 2021 14:07:31 GMT
As an aside, how on earth did Driver get away with giving this stage performance in Look Back In Anger? He's playing a Welshman with something resembling an Irish accent by way of the Lucky Charms Leprachaun . I'm shocked Matthew Rhys wasn't laughing his head off in their scenes together, since he's an actual Welshman. I guess since he did it in New York few people could ascertain the difference, but if he'd given that performance in the UK/West End, he'd have been roundly slaughtered. Oh my God,his Welsh accent is atrocious. This is a very odd story though,I mean,hitting an old woman?.I really think he needs to speak on this one,give us his version.Because right now he looks awful.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Feb 3, 2021 14:35:57 GMT
Damn. Well I guess he wasn't acting here:
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Post by ingmarhepburn on Feb 3, 2021 15:19:17 GMT
I read about this yesterday. Franco is a very well-known and respected actress here in Portugal, she's never been involved in any kind of controversies or scandals, so, despite the lack of context, it's hard for me not to believe her.
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Feb 3, 2021 16:12:11 GMT
I don't buy this FOR A MINUTE. Lying old lady. Yeah, I said it! #comeatme I don't think I've once seen you believe any abuse accusation towards an actor in these scandal threads. Not only that, but you go out your way to personally insult the accuser every time, without fail. Seriously unhinged denialism tbh lad
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Post by quetee on Feb 3, 2021 16:30:07 GMT
Yikes!!!
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Post by wallsofjericho on Feb 3, 2021 17:29:50 GMT
Damn.
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Post by Good God on Feb 3, 2021 17:49:29 GMT
That translation is from a Reddit article, and there are multiple interpretations there. One interpretation is that he didn't even touch her. Excerpts: There are other posters from Portugal that understood her to mean that she was "physically assaulted" but it's at least contested. I think there is a reasonable chance that he didn't even touch her, even going solely by what Franco said.
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Post by cheesecake on Feb 3, 2021 18:14:50 GMT
What the shit.
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Post by Joaquim on Feb 3, 2021 18:21:21 GMT
Was gonna cut him some slack and ask something like “come on, you’ve never wanted to beat up an old lady before?” but then I saw it was a Portuguese actress and uh uh you ain’t getting away with doing this to a cousin
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 3, 2021 18:40:35 GMT
god can it just be 2014 again? I don't want 2021, or 2020, or 2019, 0r 2018, or 2017, or 2016 or 2015.
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Post by ingmarhepburn on Feb 3, 2021 19:07:07 GMT
That translation is from a Reddit article, and there are multiple interpretations there. One interpretation is that he didn't even touch her. Excerpts: There are other posters from Portugal that understood her to mean that she was "physically assaulted" but it's at least contested. I think there is a reasonable chance that he didn't even touch her, even going solely by what Franco said. You took that from an Adam Driver fan section. They're not exactly the most impartial audience, so I searched for the podcast and decided to hear it with my own ears, so I could take my own conclusions. I first went to the website of the radio station to which the interview was given, where the podcast is available. I heard it from beginning to end, only to find out that they edited it in order to cut the part where she talks about Adam Driver, because this topic has already become huge in Portugal, with practically every news organ alluding to it. But because I'm stubborn, I searched online for a non-edited version and I found it ( link). I heard it, and I can assure you that the translation that appears in the article posted by the OP is accurate. She does say, at 49:33 of the interview, that he assaulted her (she literally says "he assaulted me"), and then refers "a camouflaged assault with a chair", but does not go into much detail about it.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 3, 2021 19:15:48 GMT
I find it quite baffling how this apparently happened on a movie set - right - maybe I'm misunderstanding (?)- but it's weird how no one is saying they want to hear from a co-star or Terry Gilliam or one of those crew members. Like I said, this is a work place situation/event, it was in public - it isn't a personal and private relationship where it's a he said/she said behind closed doors.......?
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Post by Good God on Feb 3, 2021 19:40:22 GMT
You took that from an Adam Driver fan section. I took it from the original translation that the article referenced. Even the Reddit page I linked is sourced in the Pop Culture piece, I didn't look it up myself. Like I said, your take is contested. There are people that share your interpretation, and there are those that don't. Just because you're not a member of the Adam Driver fans subreddit doesn't make you a more qualified translator than any other person that understands Portuguese. There are multiple interpretations, and one of them is that Driver didn't cause her any physical distress whatsoever. Which is all I said.
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Post by ingmarhepburn on Feb 3, 2021 19:59:06 GMT
You took that from an Adam Driver fan section. I took it from the original translation that the article referenced. Even the Reddit page I linked is sourced in the Pop Culture piece, I didn't look it up myself. Like I said, your take is contested. There are people that share your interpretation, and there are those that don't. Just because you're not a member of the Adam Driver fans subreddit doesn't make you a more qualified translator than any other person that understands Portuguese. There are multiple interpretations, and one of them is that Driver didn't cause her any physical distress whatsoever. Which is all I said. Come on, you're posting comments and reactions taken from an Adam Driver fan section, and those can hardly be impartial in this case. There's not much space for different interpretations here [headscratcher]. She literally says "he assaulted me", and then says "a camouflaged assault with a chair". I'm not saying it as an active member of an Adam Driver fan section, I'm saying it as a regular MAR member who is also a Portuguese native speaker and whose main source of income in the past six years has been his work as a translator.
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Post by Good God on Feb 3, 2021 20:13:12 GMT
Come on, you're posting comments and reactions taken from an Adam Driver fan section, and those can hardly be impartial in this case. The original translation is also from an Adam Driver fan section, and you're saying that's accurate. Not sure what your point is. All right, let's talk about this. 1. Did she or did she not say that, "there was nothing legally they could do"? 2. Did the host say, in response, "Assault is definitely NOT legal in Portugal"? We can take it from the answers to those questions. Again, I don't think it really matters who you're a fan of. Clearly you're a better judge of the conversation than I am, but I am just the messenger. For the purposes of this conversation, I am willing to accept your translation at face value, so let's see if we can find common ground based on the questions I asked earlier. PS: And I'm no Adam Driver fan, either. If he was "canceled" tomorrow, I wouldn't fret about it beyond 10 seconds.
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