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Post by The-Havok on Feb 3, 2020 1:45:56 GMT
No foreign film had ever WON SAG before and look what happened. If something I believe Parasite is like a smaller Slumdog Millionaire. The only drawback is voters not being able to stand a subtitled movie but again if a group such basic as SAG-AFTRA chose it as a winner then I can't imagine it doesn't get to Oscar glory.
With that said, Slumdog was bigger than it at this point winning every BP award and PGA/DGA
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 3, 2020 2:45:37 GMT
When foreign films have over 100 noms collectively in screenplay and directing (not to mention acting) and yet only 12 have been nominated for BP, you have to acknowledge the bias. Parasite is a frontrunner for screenplay (although Tarantino could still take it) but it won't the first time a foreign language film has been a frontrunner in an above-the-line category and still loses BP. Roma, for example. If the "foreign film BP" stat is meaningless, than surely more would have won or been nominated by now...
Obviously someday that ceiling will be broken but it's a very, very high ceiling with 91 years behind it. Parasite might be the one to break it, but against a very clear frontrunner like 1917 I'm not seeing it. Parasite has been breaking records but it hasn't won the PGA, DGA, or any industry BP awards outside of FLF. Roma won both the DGA and Bafta BP last year and then went on to lose to the PGA winner. It was the perceived frontrunner. Green Book didn't even have a directing nod and still it overtook the movie with an assured BD win. And 1917 is performing much better than Green Book did last year...
I know you hate 1917 but you need to give it up, man. Parasite won SAG, WGA and a couple techs. 1917 has swept the rest.
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Post by Brother Fease on Feb 3, 2020 3:34:58 GMT
No foreign film had ever WON SAG before and look what happened. If something I believe Parasite is like a smaller Slumdog Millionaire. The only drawback is voters not being able to stand a subtitled movie but again if a group such basic as SAG-AFTRA chose it as a winner then I can't imagine it doesn't get to Oscar glory. With that said, Slumdog was bigger than it at this point winning every BP award and PGA/DGA I know I have said this before, but I am going to add to the points that Tommen made here, which were excellent.
Here are the two handicaps Parasite and any other Foreign Language film has:
(1) They have their own category. Voters are less inclined to put it high on their list, knowing it's going to win a Best Picture prize. The whole point of the foreign language category was to recognize films made outside of the United States and the English colonies, essentially giving them the opportunity to get publication and encourage people to check out foreign films.
(2) Subtitled films are hard to sell. I have told my friends to watch Parasite, calling it "amazing". Some of them are like, "I do not do subtitled films. I don't want to get confused".
These two points are relevant, when you consider that the Academy does a preferential ballot. 1917 seems to be universally liked and fresh in everybody's minds. It's a film bound to be in everybody's top 4.
I would also add that every "revolutionary" Best Picture comes with an overwhelming victory lap. Silence of the Lambs was the first Horror movie, and that won the PGA, DGA and WGA. Return of the King was the first fantasy, and that won the PGA, DGA and SAG. With Parasite, its shared with 1917.
The good news for Parasite, it's really liked among Academy members. The BAFTAS honored it with a Screenplay win over Tarantino. The Guilds honored it 4 times in the non-foreign language categories for Ensemble, Writing, Editing and Art Direction.
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Post by The-Havok on Feb 3, 2020 3:39:32 GMT
No foreign film had ever WON SAG before and look what happened. If something I believe Parasite is like a smaller Slumdog Millionaire. The only drawback is voters not being able to stand a subtitled movie but again if a group such basic as SAG-AFTRA chose it as a winner then I can't imagine it doesn't get to Oscar glory. With that said, Slumdog was bigger than it at this point winning every BP award and PGA/DGA I know I have said this before, but I am going to add to the points that Tommen made here, which were excellent.
Here are the two handicaps Parasite and any other Foreign Language film has:
(1) They have their own category. Voters are less inclined to put it high on their list, knowing it's going to win a Best Picture prize. The whole point of the foreign language category was to recognize films made outside of the United States and the English colonies, essentially giving them the opportunity to get publication and encourage people to check out foreign films.
(2) Subtitled films are hard to sell. I have told my friends to watch Parasite, calling it "amazing". Some of them are like, "I do not do subtitled films. I don't want to get confused".
These two points are relevant, when you consider that the Academy does a preferential ballot. 1917 seems to be universally liked and fresh in everybody's minds. It's a film bound to be in everybody's top 4.
I would also add that every "revolutionary" Best Picture comes with an overwhelming victory lap. Silence of the Lambs was the first Horror movie, and that won the PGA, DGA and WGA. Return of the King was the first fantasy, and that won the PGA, DGA and SAG. With Parasite, its shared with 1917.
The good news for Parasite, it's really liked among Academy members. The BAFTAS honored it with a Screenplay win over Tarantino. The Guilds honored it 4 times in the non-foreign language categories for Ensemble, Writing, Editing and Art Direction.
The biggest hurdle of 1917 is bigger than Parasite, that being NO ACTING SUPPORT.
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 3, 2020 3:44:33 GMT
I think it's pretty stupid that some people are so obsessed over whether a foreign film can win at the Oscars or not for their fake-ass progressive narrative.
The Oscars is an American award show. Go check the movie awards of other countries and see if they even nominate foreign films.
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Post by The-Havok on Feb 3, 2020 3:58:21 GMT
I think it's pretty stupid that some people are so obsessed over whether a foreign film can win at the Oscars or not for their fake-ass progressive narrative. The Oscars is an American award show. Go check the movie awards of other countries and see if they even nominate foreign films. Some of them like the Cesars do. It's definitely very condescending so it's grating the Academy is realizing that just now
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 3, 2020 4:04:22 GMT
Some of them like the Cesars do. It's definitely very condescending so it's grating the Academy is realizing that just now The Cesars rarely award non-French films BP (if ever), and even when they do (i.e. The Pianist), the film would be a French (co)production. They also rarely nominate non-French actors/directors except Belgians, French Canadians or those from their other former colonies.
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Post by countjohn on Feb 3, 2020 4:27:55 GMT
Considering it's happened 0% of the time in the entire history of the Oscars I'd say that it is pretty relevant. Until you see foreign films win on a semi-regular basis (or at all) it's safe to say it's a pretty major disadvantage. Roma had a much stronger resume with precursors than Parasite and still didn't win. I can't imagine it doesn't get to Oscar glory. I can easily imagine a movie with only one major BP precursor not winning BP. And as has been said before, the SAG ensemble winner usually doesn't win, so IDK why so many on here are acting like Parasite winning it makes it an overwhelming favorite for BP. I haven't seen the movie, but it feels like a lot of people on here just really like it personally and want it to win. As was pointed out in another thread about this a movie with 1917's awards resume wins like 70-80 percent of the time. Parasite winning would be one of the biggest BP upsets ever. They happen periodically like with Moonlight a few years ago, but people outright saying Parasite is the favorite strikes me as a bit ridiculous.
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 3, 2020 4:41:46 GMT
Considering it's happened 0% of the time in the entire history of the Oscars I'd say that it is pretty relevant. Until you see foreign films win on a semi-regular basis (or at all) it's safe to say it's a pretty major disadvantage. Roma had a much stronger resume with precursors than Parasite and still didn't win. I can't imagine it doesn't get to Oscar glory. I can easily imagine a movie with only one major BP precursor not winning BP. And as has been said before, the SAG ensemble winner usually doesn't win, so IDK why so many on here are acting like Parasite winning it makes it an overwhelming favorite for BP. I haven't seen the movie, but it feels like a lot of people on here just really like it personally and want it to win. As was pointed out in another thread about this a movie with 1917's awards resume wins like 70-80 percent of the time. Parasite winning would be one of the biggest BP upsets ever. They happen periodically like with Moonlight a few years ago, but people outright saying Parasite is the favorite strikes me as a bit ridiculous. The only thing Parasite has it going for is the fact that it will get many passion #1 ballots, but so did Roma, which even managed to get 2 acting noms, one completely out of nowhere and still didn't win.
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Post by futuretrunks on Feb 3, 2020 5:07:53 GMT
There haven't been any crowd-pleasing foreign language prestigy films like Crouching Tiger. The Raid had hype on the ground and is a cult classic because of how insane the choreography is, but was not classy enough; meanwhile Parasite is a weak echo of that Crouching Tiger triumph. It's not nearly as good a movie, or as commercial. Whether that should block it from winning in this weak field is another question.
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Post by quetee on Feb 3, 2020 5:13:07 GMT
If a foreign wins it needs to make more than $30 mil.
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Post by DeepArcher on Feb 3, 2020 5:14:49 GMT
It's not a "stat," it's a stigma.
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Post by countjohn on Feb 3, 2020 5:17:31 GMT
There haven't been any crowd-pleasing foreign language prestigy films like Crouching Tiger. The Raid had hype on the ground and is a cult classic because of how insane the choreography is, but was not classy enough; meanwhile Parasite is a weak echo of that Crouching Tiger triumph. It's not nearly as good a movie, or as commercial. Whether that should block it from winning in this weak field is another question. Yeah, when one does win it will probably be something like Crouching Tiger that becomes a big domestic BO hit, but even that didn't win.
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Post by quetee on Feb 3, 2020 5:21:01 GMT
There haven't been any crowd-pleasing foreign language prestigy films like Crouching Tiger. The Raid had hype on the ground and is a cult classic because of how insane the choreography is, but was not classy enough; meanwhile Parasite is a weak echo of that Crouching Tiger triumph. It's not nearly as good a movie, or as commercial. Whether that should block it from winning in this weak field is another question. Yeah, when one does win it will probably be something like Crouching Tiger that becomes a big domestic BO hit, but even that didn't win. well, i mean it is still an American show and it may cause problems.
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Post by TerryMontana on Feb 3, 2020 6:31:19 GMT
It has NEVER happened in all film history. It will eventually, I guess, but for sure it's saying something.
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Post by quetee on Feb 3, 2020 6:51:23 GMT
It has NEVER happened in all film history. It will eventually, I guess, but for sure it's saying something. it probably will but it must not be one that cinephiles only know. The GP doesnt know this movie.
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Post by TerryMontana on Feb 3, 2020 8:09:14 GMT
It has NEVER happened in all film history. It will eventually, I guess, but for sure it's saying something. it probably will but it must not be one that cinephiles only know. The GP doesnt know this movie. I guess Parasite IS a movie many people know, not only cinephiles.
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Post by jimmalone on Feb 3, 2020 9:14:23 GMT
As somebody else said the different awards all across the countries usually tend to give the big prize to a home production.
But I'm still not sure HOW relevant this stat really is, that it never won. Back in the old days it was very unusual that foreign films were even in the conversation and many countries even didn't have the industry to produce many good or great movies (nations like France, Italy, Japan aside). I think in the past two and a half decades the Academy have opened up a bit towards them. And I think the voters, who think: "I don't vote for a movie that's not american", get less and less. The nomination might be the even bigger hurdle for foreign productions. If it's among the circle of nominees and well beloved, it can possible can get to the win. I doubt it will be this year, though I certainly won't rule out Parasite, but I think we will see it one day.
However I don't think your comparison to "Slumdog Millionaire" is very apt. That one was a fairy-tale that left viewers behind feeling happy. Not quite what Parasite is.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 3, 2020 9:55:14 GMT
I dislike the word "relevant" - since its never happened that word assumes a consistency in how the Academy acts. For Cries and Whispers it probably meant a whole lot - it was never winning.......for Roma and Parasite it maybe mattered but much less. So things are always shifting like that.....it's just one of those things that is being chipped away at.
At a certain point it's better to regard the Oscars just as a spectacle/farce and when the barrier falls smile, say that's progress, move ahead.
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Post by JangoB on Feb 3, 2020 11:21:57 GMT
On the one hand, the relevance of this stat is quite clear since no foreign film has won BP in the history of Oscars (as others have pointed out).
But I think that another stat also looks quite relevant in this case - the stat that many stats have been broken on a consistent basis over the last few years. Some of them may seem minor but they do get broken anyway so even though the 'no foreign movie won BP' stat is something that has yet to be broken, I think like many other stats it can also fall.
And this year seems like the one to do it. 1917 has a very strong thing going for it but it's clear that Parasite has enormous support as well. Everything has been done to make Parasite the hip it-movie of the season, the cool choice. Its hype machine in the trades and on the internet has been overwhelming and its several big guild awards are nothing to sneer at either. It's finishing the season not as some of an underdog but as a Top 2 frontrunner and I think that it may just be the film to break this long-standing stat.
I think its biggest hurdle, apart from 1917, is the fact that there already is that Foreign category in the first place - I can absolutely see voters pick it there and kinda leave it at that. At the same time I can also see Parasite as being the film that stays somewhere at the top of pretty much every BP ballot which of course is how movies win that shit.
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Post by Javi on Feb 3, 2020 17:19:51 GMT
No foreign film had won Best Director until last year. Best Picture should be next... and the timing feels right.
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