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Post by wallsofjericho on Dec 16, 2019 22:26:57 GMT
Which film did you prefer? I loved Once Upon a Time in Hollywood until the ending (which is a common trend with Tarantino films for me) whereas The Irishman gets better as it goes along.
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Post by stephen on Dec 16, 2019 22:28:23 GMT
The more that I think about The Irishman, the more I hate it. Once Upon A Time... in Hollywood is an immensely flawed movie down to its DNA, but at least I had fun with it.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 16, 2019 22:45:45 GMT
The Irishman. I'll repeat myself but here it goes - I loved OUATIH until Booth leaves Spahn Ranch - that film needs those 2 characters to do something proactively (and morally, it has no moral center for me as is, with no moral center, I care a lot less about Rick and Cliff) I said before I saw it that Tate had to die, well, maybe not, but ONE of those 3 needed to die - for me at least. As is there is no reason to even have the Tate character at all that I can see here The Irishman is really good and then hits a different gear...........at some point it starts laying on one knockout, instant classic scene on top of another until the weight of it becomes overwhelming. I sat there with my jaw open literally stunned by this long series of scenes - "The whole appreciation night", "Give me your glasses", "Bread in grape juice", "They wouldn't dare!", "Phone call scene"...... before any of that even, I can't even remember all the knockout scenes.  |
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 16, 2019 22:48:03 GMT
The more that I think about The Irishman, the more I hate it. Once Upon A Time... in Hollywood is an immensely flawed movie down to its DNA, but at least I had fun with it. This. |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 16, 2019 22:51:39 GMT
I need to see it again before I get a handle on exactly how I feel about The Irishman but there was definitely greatness in there. OUATIH in comparison felt so empty and banal to me. If I had it in me to care about these two uninteresting dudes then maybe I could have sat back and enjoyed it a bit more, but then there's all the little touches in Tarantino's vision that add up and make the film feel weirdly antagonistic and ugly--the gratuitously gory finale, which was unsupported entirely by the rest of the narrative unlike the violence in Basterds and Django (honestly the entire depiction of the Family in this was really confused); the way Tarantino really seems to hate young people and the way he keeps conflating the Family with hippies when that was absolutely not what they were; the artistic decision to have Cliff Booth be a wife-murderer in a scene which disturbingly seems to reference Natalie Wood's mysterious death; the problematic depiction of Bruce Lee; I could go on.
And that's not even to mention how the film is constructed with the incredibly messy editing with all its asides and bunny-trailing, especially for a film that is essentially about one asshole's need to be invited to the cool kids' party and another asshole's aimless meanderings through the Scene. There was nothing here for me. It's a banal glorification of the past with an uneasily antagonistic relationship with the societal change that killed it.
So yeah, The Irishman for me. Unlike a lot of people it seems, I found OUATIH more grating/grueling than enjoyable. I was a huge fan of Tarantino at the beginning of the decade but these last two films have killed a lot of that goodwill.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 16, 2019 23:29:48 GMT
The Irishman. I'll repeat myself but here it goes - I loved OUATIH until Booth leaves Spahn Ranch - that film needs those 2 characters to do something proactively (and morally, it has no moral center for me as is, with no moral center, I care a lot less about Rick and Cliff) I said before I saw it that Tate had to die, well, maybe not, but ONE of those 3 needed to die - for me at least. As is there is no reason to even have the Tate character at all that I can see here I mostly agree with this sentiment, but maybe for different reasons. The difficulty in making a revenge fantasy out of this particular event and doling out that vengeance before any crime was even committed makes the ending really fall flat. In Django the crux of the narrative centered around the injustice of slavery, in Basterds it's framed from the very outset around the evils of the Third Reich (and legitimizes the zany charisma of Landa's villainy by first showing him massacring an entire Jewish family in the very first scene). In OUATIH, the Family are barely even characters, let alone Manson himself. There's nothing in the film to show how Manson engineered that carnage or how his acolytes found themselves in those homes to justify the savagery of the ending. |
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Dec 16, 2019 23:56:15 GMT
The Irishman 👑👑👑👑👑
OUATIH 💩
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Post by JangoB on Dec 17, 2019 0:04:48 GMT
The Irishman is great but OUATIH keeps blossoming like a wonderful flower with each new day. It's more adventurous, more haunting, heck, I just like it more!
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Post by cheesecake on Dec 17, 2019 0:12:14 GMT
I reallllllly don't like either of them so I really have to think about this for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 1:15:49 GMT
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 17, 2019 1:26:09 GMT
They’re both among the year’s best and among their respective filmmaker’s best work ... but OUATIH is still a deeply flawed film, for as much as I love it. The Irishman is a peerless masterpiece.
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 17, 2019 4:59:53 GMT
OUATIH is massively disappointing and QT's second-worst film. The Irishman is just bafflingly poor and makes OUATIH look semi-decent. How does someone watch Goodfellas and The Irishman and consider both great? It's like comparing The Godfather Part II and Twixt.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 5:32:07 GMT
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is a masterpiece, and I'm generally not even much a fan of Tarantino. Many of the things people criticize about it only make it work even more for me. I can count on one hand the number of films that pleasantly surprised me more.
The last hour or so of The Irishman easily consolidates it as a great movie - and I think the conversation about the fish is a contender for best dialogue in a Scorsese - but it's not on the same level.
A 9/10 vs an 8/10. Hollywood takes it.
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Post by jakesully on Dec 17, 2019 9:32:45 GMT
The Irishman by far. Scorsese is superior to Tarantino in every way.
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Post by thomasjerome on Dec 17, 2019 13:28:32 GMT
"The Irishman" is the best film of the year. "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" is my runner-up.
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Post by TerryMontana on Dec 17, 2019 13:35:27 GMT
My feelings about OUATIH are expressed. Good, not great. Expecting much more from QT.
The Irishman is easily the best film of the year imo. So I choose Marty.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Dec 17, 2019 17:54:04 GMT
Two films that desperately needed editing.
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Post by ibbi on Dec 17, 2019 18:38:55 GMT
I'll tell you what... I didn't think any film would outdo the Once Upon a Time in Holywood thread for replies or views any time soon, and then BAM. It happened. Granted Netflix will have helped with that, but whatever. Screw you, QT.
More to the point I still think Tarantino's movie was both a structural and thematic mess (as his movies so often are) with some bewilderingly shallow thinking and characterizations. Scorsese's may have been almost an hour longer, but it's focus seemed much more clear eyed.
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