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Post by stephen on Dec 15, 2019 19:00:28 GMT
Currently in progress.
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Post by wallsofjericho on Dec 15, 2019 19:59:38 GMT
Leo was so much better than Pitt. I don't know why critics have been so receptive to give him critics awards yet Brad is pretty much sweeping.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 15, 2019 20:10:28 GMT
after watching both their films, the fact that Dern and Pitt are dominating their perspective races is the most baffling thing about this awards season to me.
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Post by sirjeremy on Dec 15, 2019 20:12:20 GMT
Maybe I'm being naive but I didn't expect so may critics groups to buy into the Pitt category fraud, not in such a strong year for this category.
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Post by wallsofjericho on Dec 15, 2019 20:14:51 GMT
after watching both their films, the fact that Dern and Pitt are dominating their perspective races is the most baffling thing about this awards season to me. Feels like critics are just being sheep and are just building narratives for these guys. I just can't believe the majority of critics can look at both of these performances and think their the best.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Dec 15, 2019 20:15:18 GMT
after watching both their films, the fact that Dern and Pitt are dominating their perspective races is the most baffling thing about this awards season to me. Two of my favourite actors for the longest time now, and this might be both of their winning moments
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 15, 2019 20:15:19 GMT
I'm surprised people are surprised by Pitt and Dern - this happens every year at least in modern times - critics groups very rarely pick who they think is best for a long tome now - they virtue signal, have an agenda with who they choose or piggyback previous groups.
They aren't exactly bastions of free-thinking integrity.....usually at least - there's some individual exceptions......but not much.....
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Dec 15, 2019 20:17:41 GMT
I'm surprised people are surprised by Pitt and Dern - this happens every year at least in modern times - critics groups very rarely pick who they think is best for a long tome now - they virtue signal, have an agenda with who they choose or piggyback previous groups. They aren't exactly bastions of free-thinking integrity.....usually at least - there's some individual exceptions......but not much..... It's more a sense of disappointment rather than surprise. I expect the lack of imagination every year, but this seems particularly lazy. Still, at least Dern is supporting, so that's a plus.
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Post by Good God on Dec 15, 2019 20:26:35 GMT
Critics are not unlike many of us. I think this is just a sign that critics, like most other people, want to see Pitt and Dern win this year. I think OUaTiH is one of Pitt's top 3 performances, so I have no real complaints there, and Supporting Actress is just terribly weak this year, so who cares.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Dec 15, 2019 20:31:25 GMT
Ronan won Actress
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Post by stephen on Dec 15, 2019 20:33:21 GMT
Critics are not unlike many of us. I think this is just a sign that critics, like most other people, want to see Pitt and Dern win this year. I think OUaTiH is one of Pitt's top 3 performances, so I have no real complaints there, and Supporting Actress is just terribly weak this year, so who cares. Not to mention that there seems to be this unspoken urge for critics to be seen as influential or "in the know" that they'll rally around preconceived frontrunners in an attempt to "shape the narrative." They may like the performances they reward, but the groupthink that seems to build critical sweeps leads me to think a lot of awards bodies want to be seen as prognosticators.
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Post by Good God on Dec 15, 2019 20:37:36 GMT
Not to mention that there seems to be this unspoken urge for critics to be seen as influential or "in the know" that they'll rally around preconceived frontrunners in an attempt to "shape the narrative." They may like the performances they reward, but the groupthink that seems to build critical sweeps leads me to think a lot of awards bodies want to be seen as prognosticators. That may be true for some too. As much as some of us would like to oversimplify things, there are always multiple factors at play. What they like matters. What they want to win the Oscar matters. How their picks make them look like matters (because they're critics and it's their livelihood, so of course they care about perception). And, like you say, their relevance in the race also matters. There are years and categories where one of those factors overwhelms the rest, but it's usually a combination of all of them at play.
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Post by morton on Dec 15, 2019 20:47:31 GMT
after watching both their films, the fact that Dern and Pitt are dominating their perspective races is the most baffling thing about this awards season to me. Feels like critics are just being sheep and are just building narratives for these guys. I just can't believe the majority of critics can look at both of these performances and think their the best. I felt like this in 2017 when it was clear Rockwell and Janney were going to win the televised awards. They didn't sweep the regional awards, but as we got closer to the Oscars, they started to win more which was disappointing to me because I was still hoping that at least Metcalf might be able to win because Lady Bird was a stronger film, at least Lady Bird was in phase I, and she was also a respected veteran of television and had done some film although certainly not as much or as recently as Janney, but it was just obvious the industry wanted Janney to have an Oscar. Critics are not unlike many of us. I think this is just a sign that critics, like most other people, want to see Pitt and Dern win this year. I think OUaTiH is one of Pitt's top 3 performances, so I have no real complaints there, and Supporting Actress is just terribly weak this year, so who cares. I'm glad that Pitt is finally going to win even though it feels a little weird that it's in supporting similar to when Zeta-Jones, Zellweger, Clooney, and Hathaway won there because of how big they were/are, but now now days there's not as much difference between the two, and Pitt has already won in another category. As for Dern, I'm glad that she's finally winning too. Her performance might not be the best, but I think it's fine, and as I said before Zhao Shuzhen or the Parasite ladies have no chance to win the category anyways, so I'm fine with Dern winning over Lopez, who I thought was okay but didn't feel win worthy to me either, or Robbie who did even less, imo than Dern at least in OUATIH. Johansson is good in Jojo Rabbit, and could possibly win there I suppose if she's double nominated as a consolation prize like Lange when she lost for Frances, but I'd rather she win in leading because she was much better in Marriage Story. Also I can't imagine how awkward it might be for Johansson to end up beating one of her costars. Sure Dern would be professional if it happened, but I would feel bad like when Close lost last year. I mean I was ecstatic that Colman surprised, but I also felt sad that Close seemed like she was finally going to win, and now she might not ever get another chance again. Bates was great in Richard Jewell, but she's already won, and the role doesn't really require her to do that much either. I haven't seen Pugh yet, but unfortunately for her Little Women hasn't taken off yet, and may not ever fully take off, and Pugh is very young and still not that known, so there's definitely going to be the mentality with some voters that she can win later on. I haven't seen Kidman yet either. Beyond these few actresses, I don't see anyone else being nominated, and even within this pool, I think that the actresses that have a realistic shot of being nominated is even fewer. With Parasite, most of the campaigning now is on Song, and I think voters will have a difficult time trying to pick out their favorite female performance to nominate. Zhao has only shown up at the Critics Choice Awards so far, and The Farewell isn't a top 2 film like Roma. Bates missed SAG, and Richard Jewell flopped on opening weekend.
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Post by Good God on Dec 15, 2019 20:54:56 GMT
I'm glad that Pitt is finally going to win even though it feels a little weird that it's in supporting similar to when Zeta-Jones, Zellweger, Clooney, and Hathaway won there because of how big they were/are, but now now days there's not as much difference between the two, and Pitt has already won in another category. As for Dern, I'm glad that she's finally winning too. Her performance might not be the best, but I think it's fine, and as I said before Zhao Shuzhen or the Parasite ladies have no chance to win the category anyways, so I'm fine with Dern winning over Lopez, who I thought was okay but didn't feel win worthy to me either, or Robbie who did even less, imo than Dern at least in OUATIH. Johansson is good in Jojo Rabbit, and could possibly win there I suppose if she's double nominated as a consolation prize like Lange when she lost for Frances, but I'd rather she win in leading because she was much better in Marriage Story. Also I can't imagine how awkward it might be for Johansson to end up beating one of her costars. Sure Dern would be professional if it happened, but I would feel bad like when Close lost last year. I mean I was ecstatic that Colman surprised, but I also felt sad that Close seemed like she was finally going to win, and now she might not ever get another chance again. Bates was great in Richard Jewell, but she's already won, and the role doesn't really require her to do that much either. I haven't seen Pugh yet, but unfortunately for her Little Women hasn't taken off yet, and may not ever fully take off, and Pugh is very young and still not that known, so there's definitely going to be the mentality with some voters that she can win later on. I haven't seen Kidman yet either. Beyond these few actresses, I don't see anyone else being nominated, and even within this pool, I think that the actresses that have a realistic shot of being nominated is even fewer. With Parasite, most of the campaigning now is on Song, and I think voters will have a difficult time trying to pick out their favorite female performance to nominate. Zhao has only shown up at the Critics Choice Awards so far, and The Farewell isn't a top 2 film like Roma. Bates missed SAG, and Richard Jewell flopped on opening weekend. Dern is clearly the frontrunner, but I just have this sneaking suspicion that someone else could creep up and make it close. Maybe Robbie if her Bombshell performance catches on (and the goodwill from OUaTiH could help, especially if its the frontrunner) or maybe Shuzhen if the Academy loves The Farewell. I don't know, I'd find it a little weird if Dern just swept all the awards for that performance. But, hey, it's still a weak year, so there is no reason why that can't happen.
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Post by doddgerhardt on Dec 15, 2019 20:55:00 GMT
Poor Sandler. I feel the neglect he’s getting from the bigger awards has less to do with him and more to do with a film that’s “anxiety inducing”. Feels like some viewers would keep that at the bottom of the screener pile unfortunately.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 15, 2019 21:01:03 GMT
Critics are not unlike many of us. I think this is just a sign that critics, like most other people, want to see Pitt and Dern win this year. I think OUaTiH is one of Pitt's top 3 performances, so I have no real complaints there, and Supporting Actress is just terribly weak this year, so who cares. Not to mention that there seems to be this unspoken urge for critics to be seen as influential or "in the know" that they'll rally around preconceived frontrunners in an attempt to "shape the narrative." They may like the performances they reward, but the groupthink that seems to build critical sweeps leads me to think a lot of awards bodies want to be seen as prognosticators. Why are people acting like this is news? It happens every year. Pitt winning a lot isn't even that bad. Pesci has won a lot, including most of the bigger ones, so at least there is an element of competition. The Dern sweep is obvious critical groupthink, "narrative shaping" at it's finest. I think Dern is great in general, but it's not like she's doing something so jaw-dropping (like I dunno, Mo'nique) where you can understand them ignoring everyone else.
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Post by finniussnrub on Dec 15, 2019 21:06:28 GMT
Maybe I'm being naive but I didn't expect so may critics groups to buy into the Pitt category fraud, not in such a strong year for this category. Critics rarely defy the studio mandate, unless they're being stupid like when LA give Lead Actress to Patricia Arquette for Boyhood.
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Post by morton on Dec 15, 2019 21:08:28 GMT
I'm glad that Pitt is finally going to win even though it feels a little weird that it's in supporting similar to when Zeta-Jones, Zellweger, Clooney, and Hathaway won there because of how big they were/are, but now now days there's not as much difference between the two, and Pitt has already won in another category. As for Dern, I'm glad that she's finally winning too. Her performance might not be the best, but I think it's fine, and as I said before Zhao Shuzhen or the Parasite ladies have no chance to win the category anyways, so I'm fine with Dern winning over Lopez, who I thought was okay but didn't feel win worthy to me either, or Robbie who did even less, imo than Dern at least in OUATIH. Johansson is good in Jojo Rabbit, and could possibly win there I suppose if she's double nominated as a consolation prize like Lange when she lost for Frances, but I'd rather she win in leading because she was much better in Marriage Story. Also I can't imagine how awkward it might be for Johansson to end up beating one of her costars. Sure Dern would be professional if it happened, but I would feel bad like when Close lost last year. I mean I was ecstatic that Colman surprised, but I also felt sad that Close seemed like she was finally going to win, and now she might not ever get another chance again. Bates was great in Richard Jewell, but she's already won, and the role doesn't really require her to do that much either. I haven't seen Pugh yet, but unfortunately for her Little Women hasn't taken off yet, and may not ever fully take off, and Pugh is very young and still not that known, so there's definitely going to be the mentality with some voters that she can win later on. I haven't seen Kidman yet either. Beyond these few actresses, I don't see anyone else being nominated, and even within this pool, I think that the actresses that have a realistic shot of being nominated is even fewer. With Parasite, most of the campaigning now is on Song, and I think voters will have a difficult time trying to pick out their favorite female performance to nominate. Zhao has only shown up at the Critics Choice Awards so far, and The Farewell isn't a top 2 film like Roma. Bates missed SAG, and Richard Jewell flopped on opening weekend. Dern is clearly the frontrunner, but I just have this sneaking suspicion that someone else could creep up and make it close. Maybe Robbie in her Bombshell performance catches on (and the goodwill from OUaTiH could help, especially if its the frontrunner) or maybe Shuzhen if the Academy loves The Farewell. I don't know, I'd find it a little weird if Dern just swept all the awards for that performance. But, hey, it's still a weak year, so there is no reason why that can't happen. It's definitely possible Dern doesn't sweep, or maybe even loses. I think that she's most vulnerable at the Globes because they could decide to give it to Lopez because it would get the more attention. On the other hand, they didn't do that last year when most everyone thought Gaga was going to win over Close, and they didn't like Hustlers very much. Sure the Globes had the chance to award Gaga in Best Song too, but I think if they really loved A Star Is Born that they would have been okay awarding her twice, and at least went for it over Bohemian Rhapsody of all movies. After that I think Dern has to win everything otherwise she'll lose the Oscar. SAG is very telling because I need to see how much the actors really love her. If they don't rally for her there, then she's going to lose. BAFTA is just likely going to award whoever the frontrunner is, so I think it will still be Dern but could conceivably be someone else. I think that the only ones that can beat Dern are Lopez, Johansson, and Robbie, but they all have cons. Lopez could win the Globe, but again Hustlers is likely to be a lone nominee. Johansson can't win the Globe, but if she's double nominated everywhere, she could surprise especially if Dern doesn't sweep, and say Lopez wins the Globe, Dern wins SAG, and then Johansson maybe wins BAFTA and the Oscar. With Robbie, if there's real love for both of her films, she could also surprise, but for whatever reason right now it feels like she's been sort of overshadowed by Pitt and Theron which is sort of weird because she does fit the profile of an "It" girl winner, but I guess Dern got too much a lead early on once it became clear Robbie wasn't going to win for OUATIH, and Robbie hasn't been able to catch up yet because the critics awards are mostly going to other actresses with her only winning one so far.
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Post by Good God on Dec 15, 2019 21:16:33 GMT
It's definitely possible Dern doesn't sweep, or maybe even loses. I think that she's most vulnerable at the Globes because they could decide to give it to Lopez because it would get the more attention. On the other hand, they didn't do that last year when most everyone thought Gaga was going to win over Close, and they didn't like Hustlers very much. Sure the Globes had the chance to award Gaga in Best Song too, but I think if they really loved A Star Is Born that they would have been okay awarding her twice, and at least went for it over Bohemian Rhapsody of all movies. After that I think Dern has to win everything otherwise she'll lose the Oscar. SAG is very telling because I need to see how much the actors really love her. If they don't rally for her there, then she's going to lose. BAFTA is just likely going to award whoever the frontrunner is, so I think it will still be Dern but could conceivably be someone else. I think that the only ones that can beat Dern are Lopez, Johansson, and Robbie, but they all have cons. Lopez could win the Globe, but again Hustlers is likely to be a lone nominee. Johansson can't win the Globe, but if she's double nominated everywhere, she could surprise especially if Dern doesn't sweep, and say Lopez wins the Globe, Dern wins SAG, and then Johansson maybe wins BAFTA and the Oscar. With Robbie, if there's real love for both of her films, she could also surprise, but for whatever reason right now it feels like she's been sort of overshadowed by Pitt and Theron which is sort of weird because she does fit the profile of an "It" girl winner, but I guess Dern got too much a lead early on once it became clear Robbie wasn't going to win for OUATIH, and Robbie hasn't been able to catch up yet because the critics awards are mostly going to other actresses with her only winning one so far. I give Lopez a fair chance of beating Dern at the Globes, but I just can't imagine Lopez beating Dern at the Oscars even if that happens. I think she has too many disadvantages there (weaker movie, lone nomination, not as respected, baggage, etc.) The Johansson thing is interesting. It's possible that if she gets double nominations and Zellweger really is undeniable that they could just reward Johansson in Supporting. But that feels a little weird, because Johansson is at that age and position in her career that wins Lead Actress for actresses, and (I think) her performance in Marriage Story is far more acclaimed. It's definitely plausible, though, and something I'll consider if she gets double nominations. For now, I only think she gets in Lead. Robbie is actually someone that can potentially win the Globe. I don't think the Globes care as much about Dern having the career and respect, so if they feel like Robbie is the most deserving, they'll award a hot starlet over a respected veteran. And that could perhaps carry forward to the other precursors. Unlikely, but stranger things have happened. Or maybe we're overthinking it and Dern just sweeps. She's doing way better with critics award than I would have expected, so what do I know
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Post by Javi on Dec 15, 2019 21:52:42 GMT
Good day for Little Women.
Bong keeps dominating Best Director even when his movie loses BP...
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Post by stephen on Dec 15, 2019 21:59:55 GMT
Good day for Little Women. Bong keeps dominating Best Director even when his movie loses BP... I just can't help but think he's our frontrunner. Guy's already on the late-night circuit, his film is making bank, he has the added benefit of not being a prior Oscar winner, and I just feel his film will appeal to that branch in a big way. It just keeps gathering steam.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 15, 2019 22:52:02 GMT
I hope France is feeling really silly for pushing Les Mis instead of Cannes-sensation Portrait of a Lady on Fire. What the hell were they thinking
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 15, 2019 23:52:52 GMT
I hope France is feeling really silly for pushing Les Mis instead of Cannes-sensation Portrait of a Lady on Fire. What the hell were they thinking Les Mis won the Jury Prize in Cannes, so it did as well there as Portrait Of A Lady On Fire, if not a bit better .I don't know if France should feel silly for wanting Les Mis to represent them. It's a film and and story that speaks to the heart of modern, contemporary France. Portrait is a lavish French period piece more likely to appeal to Americans critics, with it's costumes and opulence. Anything period from British or European is an easy sell internationally. If anything, it's a braver and less cynical choice to go with the French film about modern France that has less obvious appeal to audiences/critics outside France. Les Mis is the movie that needs more of a push. And it encourages people outside France to see what the cultural dynamics of modern France actually are like.
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Post by jason on Dec 16, 2019 1:11:02 GMT
Leo was so much better than Pitt. I don't know why critics have been so receptive to give him critics awards yet Brad is pretty much sweeping. They're in different category, I don't think Brangelina would get the same reception if he's put in lead category. But yeah it's shocking that he got more love than those guys from the irishman You live on the moon?, Brangelina no longer exists and Pitt was a great star much earlier Pitt was better than Leo, Pitt has always been the mvp for critics
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